Why all the customization?

DashaandSafin

Hall of Fame
Seriously? I have never customized a racquet in my life. I was in my tennis locker room for my top D1 and I couldn't help but to look through some of the lockers for racquet specs. To my utter suprise, none of the players customized their racquets at all! None! I saw stock prestieges, RDS, Babolats etc. I was shocked. After reading all this crap on this board for so long I assumed every top player customized thier frame. We have several All Americans on my team and all they do is slap an overgrip on and bam they can play. After seeing that, it makes me realize how whiny we mortals are about our equipment. Seriously, its your game, not your stick.
 

The Dampener

Professional
Seriously?...After reading all this crap on this board for so long..it makes me realize how whiny we mortals are about our equipment. Seriously, its your game, not your stick.

Your point is utterly true. Skill does trump customization.

But your attitude is totally dickish. Don't expect to go far in life with it.
 

DashaandSafin

Hall of Fame
Yea I was trying to make my attitude dickish, on these boards, you're point won't get across to the general public unless you're poignant about it.
 

max200G

Rookie
Seriously? I have never customized a racquet in my life. I was in my tennis locker room for my top D1 and I couldn't help but to look through some of the lockers for racquet specs. To my utter suprise, none of the players customized their racquets at all! None! I saw stock prestieges, RDS, Babolats etc. I was shocked. After reading all this crap on this board for so long I assumed every top player customized thier frame. We have several All Americans on my team and all they do is slap an overgrip on and bam they can play. After seeing that, it makes me realize how whiny we mortals are about our equipment. Seriously, its your game, not your stick.

I would tend to believe that you question is rhetorical? Since the last sentence in your post is a statement not a question. (your opinion)
Did you have the opportunity to examine each of your fellow players racquets? You would not be able to see if the weight was added to the hair pin or under the grommets, under the bumper guard or cap system.

So the purpose of your post is that you cant see if a racquet has been customized and that you are telling people that what ever problem they may or may not have with there game, that customizing is a waste since you have never customized your racquets no one needs to.
 
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SFrazeur

Legend
Was it merely a visual inspection?

Some could have leather grips added, and had lead under bumper guards, if they were Head racquet they could have put lead under the cap grommets at the sides of racquets.

-SF
 

SFrazeur

Legend
Also, I think I have heard of college players having paint jobs. The pro customizer shops sell some paintjob racquets as well, of older heavier pro stock racquets.

-SF
 

max200G

Rookie
Some of the racquet companies will customize the frame to you specifications for free if you are a sponsored player.
 
You just leave this forum with all your "skill over equipment" nonsense. THATS NOT TRUE.

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louis netman

Hall of Fame
Seriously? I have never customized a racquet in my life. I was in my tennis locker room for my top D1 and I couldn't help but to look through some of the lockers for racquet specs. To my utter suprise, none of the players customized their racquets at all! None! I saw stock prestieges, RDS, Babolats etc. I was shocked. After reading all this crap on this board for so long I assumed every top player customized thier frame. We have several All Americans on my team and all they do is slap an overgrip on and bam they can play. After seeing that, it makes me realize how whiny we mortals are about our equipment. Seriously, its your game, not your stick.

I played stock frames since I was a young child until I suffered a torn rotator cuff in my thirties. I then acquired other arm/wrist problems as parts of my arm tried to compensate. If I wish to continue to play somewhat effectively, I have experimented and discovered that my arm requires a 355-365 gram frame, 58-63 stiffness, and a minimum of 12 points headlight when strung. I also like leather (because I was weaned on it) and butt expansion. Unfortunately no such frame exists straight off the rack...As I continue to age, I will have to routinely monitor my health/fitness while experimenting to maximize my playing effectiveness. It is a difficult predicament as tweener frames designed for elder players tend to be lighter and stiffer, yet these frames will wreak more havoc on my injured and aging arm, and as I age the frames that keep my arm healthy will inevitably become harder to swing...
 
Also, I think I have heard of college players having paint jobs. The pro customizer shops sell some paintjob racquets as well, of older heavier pro stock racquets.

-SF

Adding to that, players that have custom paint jobs also have their customizations hidden under the paint job as well. You can have all the lead hidden under the grip, inside the handle, painted over, etc. and you would never be able to guess from far away. There's always gonna be one player on the team that doesn't use customizations, but you can bet there will be players that do.
 

SFrazeur

Legend
Just to add a bit of perspective, leather grips can easily add 15-20+ grams to a racquet. I would certainly call that an ample customization. A lot of players add leather. I have used leather for the past two years, I just cannot get away from it.

-SF
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
The fact that you swung one player's racket and that it felt like a perfectly normal Flexpoint Prestige is all fine and good. But you couldn't possibly have swung every single racket there and determined that nobody had any sort of customization at all. There may have been one or two people that don't customize, but that's about it.

I do sympathize with your point though. We're all a little too much into the equipment and not out games. We focus a little too much on adding lead and not enough on how to hit a 120+ mph serve.
 

Rule26

Rookie
That's true about most sports - very talented athletic 16-28 year olds will do well with whatever decent equipment that is given to them. And when the time comes that the next set of 16-28 year olds start bumping them out they start looking for every edge - and when they final are bumped out they will gladly pay a little more to bring them closer to their youth. Just a thought
 

louis netman

Hall of Fame
That's true about most sports - very talented athletic 16-28 year olds will do well with whatever decent equipment that is given to them. And when the time comes that the next set of 16-28 year olds start bumping them out they start looking for every edge - and when they final are bumped out they will gladly pay a little more to bring them closer to their youth. Just a thought

And a very insightful thought..
 

TennezSport

Hall of Fame
Well.........

While I agree that most recreational players will have no need for customization, as most racquets on the market will play well enough for most players.

However, lets not forget the semi-pro or pro players that are trying to fine tune their games. For players that already have all of the strokes, footwork, tactics and stamina down, customizing their equipment can make that last bit of difference to getting further in the rankings. Much like the fine tuning in a race car or power boat.

So, I think the problem with your analysis is in your test sample. Though not for everyone, customization has it's place for certain players. Just my opinion.

TennezSport :cool:
 

racquet_jedi

Professional
People that customize experiment with it because they want to see if it makes a difference...

Over time, people develop certain "likes" and "dislikes"...

All racquets will probably have something that is disliked by the user, i.e., pinging sound=use a vibration dampener, swings too light/too underpowered but like the feel=add weight...
 

dacrymn

Professional
Well, this is an observation: except for the first response, everyone here has disagreed and argued with you. Is it just me, or is that a case in point? They're defending themselves, as any normal person would do.

Health issues, of course is a different matter, but people do seem to believe so much depends on the equipment--and they are indeed whiny about it. However, can you really expect someone to change their ways? No, they will have their preferences, they will forever.

But then again, you have to look at the demographic this board attracts. Does it attract people who just simply play the sport because its fun? No, it attracts people who see tennis as a little more than that. Therefore, they're going to be looking into every possible facet of the game--including equipment. And, as humans are unwilling to change themselves, see improvement through racquet use as a much faster and easier vehicle to getting better. Of course, there are exceptions, but most people to modify their racquets will continue to tinker with their setups, because "there always has to be a better way."

To a certain degree, its a little amusing.

For those who mod purely due to something as intangible as "Feel," or "response," you're excused.

But seriously, isn't a racket company's primary objective to sell more racquets? Doesn't that mean making *something* that appeals to every possible demographic? Why do people think that its never good enough for them?
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
Well, this is an observation: except for the first response, everyone here has disagreed and argued with you. Is it just me, or is that a case in point? They're defending themselves, as any normal person would do.

Health issues, of course is a different matter, but people do seem to believe so much depends on the equipment--and they are indeed whiny about it. However, can you really expect someone to change their ways? No, they will have their preferences, they will forever.

But then again, you have to look at the demographic this board attracts. Does it attract people who just simply play the sport because its fun? No, it attracts people who see tennis as a little more than that. Therefore, they're going to be looking into every possible facet of the game--including equipment. And, as humans are unwilling to change themselves, see improvement through racquet use as a much faster and easier vehicle to getting better. Of course, there are exceptions, but most people to modify their racquets will continue to tinker with their setups, because "there always has to be a better way."

To a certain degree, its a little amusing.

For those who mod purely due to something as intangible as "Feel," or "response," you're excused.

But seriously, isn't a racket company's primary objective to sell more racquets? Doesn't that mean making *something* that appeals to every possible demographic? Why do people think that its never good enough for them?

Human Nature. We're never satisfied with what we have.:)
 
About people who have not developed their strokes, I agree with you--practice is more important than equipment. For those who play competitively, I disagree with you--the equipment can be fine tuned to give a helping hand. Lastly, where do you play for? I'm going to call you out on this because I'm sure you don't play for a "top D1" school judging by the fact that you are looking for non discontinued rackets on the classified section and how you mention that you are a 4.5 player. In any case, if you don't play for the team, that is what your first post seemed to imply.

Oh, and the fact that you swung the racket around in the air cannot possibly give you any indication of how it plays.
 
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DashaandSafin

Hall of Fame
I played stock frames since I was a young child until I suffered a torn rotator cuff in my thirties. I then acquired other arm/wrist problems as parts of my arm tried to compensate. If I wish to continue to play somewhat effectively, I have experimented and discovered that my arm requires a 355-365 gram frame, 58-63 stiffness, and a minimum of 12 points headlight when strung. I also like leather (because I was weaned on it) and butt expansion. Unfortunately no such frame exists straight off the rack...As I continue to age, I will have to routinely monitor my health/fitness while experimenting to maximize my playing effectiveness. It is a difficult predicament as tweener frames designed for elder players tend to be lighter and stiffer, yet these frames will wreak more havoc on my injured and aging arm, and as I age the frames that keep my arm healthy will inevitably become harder to swing...

I have no problems with that. That is a perfectly legit reason to customize your racquet. I'm against players who blame thier racquet or specs just because they lost. "Oh the tension was 61 instead of 64 blah blah". Point is, equipment is important, to the pros, not so much us recreational players.


And Jack, yes I am a 4.5-5.0 player. I am considering walking onto the team at my school. Hopefully I will make it. I've talked to the coach and he says it is possible.
 

JW10S

Hall of Fame
Seriously? I have never customized a racquet in my life. I was in my tennis locker room for my top D1 and I couldn't help but to look through some of the lockers for racquet specs. To my utter suprise, none of the players customized their racquets at all! None! I saw stock prestieges, RDS, Babolats etc. I was shocked. After reading all this crap on this board for so long I assumed every top player customized thier frame. We have several All Americans on my team and all they do is slap an overgrip on and bam they can play. After seeing that, it makes me realize how whiny we mortals are about our equipment. Seriously, its your game, not your stick.
The prevailing theme of this site is that it's the racquet that will make you better--practice, technique, strategy, etc. have nothing to do with it. So what happens is people buy what they think is the magic racquet that will all by itself make them better only to find out that they still suck. So they then start messing around looking for the magic lead tape, the magic replacement grip, the magic overgrip, the magic dampener, etc, that will make them better, because after all it's not their fault they're bad--they just haven't found the right set up. If these players spent anywhere near as much time actually playing with their racquets instead of obsessing over them so much they might see some improvement in their games. I agree 'it's your game, not your stick' and as I've said before, how you hit matters much more than what you hit with.
 
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DashaandSafin,

You are, of course, correct. It is the skill and strokes of a person, not the equipment, that make the ultimate difference. A solid player could lay a beatdown on an "equipment freak" with any decent stick.

I find the "equipment freaks" to be the ones that have shotty, self-taught, sloppy games. They watch TV matches intensely and try to replicate the strategy of a Pro Player when they are only playing recreational "banger ball." It's pretty sad. But they are quick with the "well, I tried this new tape...I tried this new toss...I tried this new whatever..." as if these revelations will somehow curry respect/sympathy..or lesson the blow from the beatdown....

The players that have privately-taught games have polish and don't obsess about sticks.
 

str33t

Professional
Lots of guys on my school's varsity and junior varsity tennis teams, myself included, have some lead tape on their racquets.
 

Klatu Verata Necktie

Hall of Fame
The main reason that I can think of to modify a racquet is to match frames. I don't think that a recreational player should have to be satisfied playing with inconsistent sticks.
 

kimba

Rookie
Seriously? I have never customized a racquet in my life. I was in my tennis locker room for my top D1 and I couldn't help but to look through some of the lockers for racquet specs. To my utter suprise, none of the players customized their racquets at all! None! I saw stock prestieges, RDS, Babolats etc. I was shocked. After reading all this crap on this board for so long I assumed every top player customized thier frame. We have several All Americans on my team and all they do is slap an overgrip on and bam they can play. After seeing that, it makes me realize how whiny we mortals are about our equipment. Seriously, its your game, not your stick.
Hi guys,
well Just my 2 cents worth :)
I tend to agree with this guy, racquet companys spend millions of dollars for research and designing of these frames, they are all looking for a competetive edge over each other and I think If they could make there racquet play better by adding weight in certain parts of the frame they most certainly would. I do find It a little funny when some one says they play better with this much lead tape here and this much there, but on the same subject, where can I put lead tape on my pure drive roddick to help me hit more topspin? lol :D
 

origmarm

Hall of Fame
My memories of this from back when I used to play on a team was that the guys who had played since they were 6 or similar (like myself) used to customise and the guys who started older didn't. The reason for them at least was that the racquet that they grew up playing with was what they liked, and then the company stopped making it! So they got the closest thing and tweaked it to get the same feel as the original. I never had this problem fortunately but some of them did. That and matching racquets, people complain about the tolerances today but back 10yrs ago it was far far worse.
 

paulfreda

Hall of Fame
All players customize their frames in the sense that they choose string composition, gage and tension that feels good.
IMO they should not stop there. Weight in the handle will add stability and power to nearly every frame and still keep it head light. To miss experimenting with this parameter is a huge missed opportunity to discover a better playing frame. Remember the adage to play with the heaviest frame you can handle ?

I also recommend adding tape at 12 oclock to add feel. I find just one [or more if you like] 4 inch strip of one inch wide black duct tape makes a difference I can feel that makes a frame a bit more "flexy".

JMHO
 
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Rule26

Rookie
I'm not a member - but The Racquet Stringers Association dedicates a page full of information on customization

http://www.racquettech.com/top/tools_toc.html

Seems that they have a whole slew of guides for professionals

Not sure how much of a market it is for the teaching professionals and professional stringers.

Certainly has spawned a great deal of debate.

I'd agree that it makes more sense getting someone who knows what they are doing to make an adjustment on a racquet to match them. And certainly to modify for the sake of injury.

The best advice I've overheard about making lead and grip adjustments was an old guy who used to string racquets - I'll let you know about Virgina's Secret - It really isn't so secret - less is more..
 

leon505

Rookie
You just leave this forum with all your "skill over equipment" nonsense. THATS NOT TRUE.

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your telling him that skill is not more of a determining factor of play then your racquet? so if i suck and play with federer's racquet i will be amazing?
 

Pleepers

Professional
Eventually almost anyone will get used to just about any racquet. Its a matter of putting in the time. However, most people who know enough about customization are not willing to wait and know what it is that they can do to make their frame "better". So they do it in attempts to up their game. Its no mystery.

But this is not to say that everyone is the same, and we should accept a "one size fits all" selection of tennis racquets either. So, don't criticize the racquet junkie. Just kick their *** on the court and let them continue to fiddle with their racquets, while you continue improving your mental and physical aspects of your game.
 

Octavian

Rookie
Seriously? I have never customized a racquet in my life. I was in my tennis locker room for my top D1 and I couldn't help but to look through some of the lockers for racquet specs. To my utter suprise, none of the players customized their racquets at all! None! I saw stock prestieges, RDS, Babolats etc. I was shocked. After reading all this crap on this board for so long I assumed every top player customized thier frame. We have several All Americans on my team and all they do is slap an overgrip on and bam they can play. After seeing that, it makes me realize how whiny we mortals are about our equipment. Seriously, its your game, not your stick.


haha i've been wanting to some people this but didn't know how this is so true people on here (no offense) i think spend more time talking about customizing and talking about new equipment specs then actually hitting the practice court. nice post DashaandSafin
 

Tour 90

Semi-Pro
I used to do it to my n90's, but realized it was totally pointless and have been using lmp mids with tournas for quite awhile now with no plans on switching. Seriously, the stuff people do to their racquets brings them closer to an entirely different frame than the one they started with...
 

Zaolar

New User
I've been using a head radical trysys for 12 years and i had to change it because it broke!! I always tought customizing racquet was no good but i changed my opinion recently!!
I bought a flexpoint radical mp thinking it could be similar to my trysys, but they are two totally different racquets. With the fxp I had a lot of problems hitting deep shots, it was too much light for me; I had good results only hitting the ball very hard, which is no good for my injured elbow :cry:
I tried to place 6 gr. to the head of the radical and changed my strings to an hybrid and... WOW!! I could play a lot better and hit deep shots without using too much effort, and I've not ever had elbow's problem :)
I'm sure there are some racquet similar to my modded radical, but I don't work and I don't have enough money to change a racquet a month just to try. I resolved my problems with a change of strings and two threegrams' lead and I'm very satisfied now :)
I think everyone must concentrate on the practice on the court to get better, but, if you know you know what you are doing, you can have in some cases some improvements modding your racket :)
 

theone

Banned
I've never customised a racket either though there's nothing wrong with people adding lead tape if they want to, especially if it's quite a light racket. Of course skill is everything but I think the feel of the racket is important as well, to some more than others.
 

DashaandSafin

Hall of Fame
I've never customised a racket either though there's nothing wrong with people adding lead tape if they want to, especially if it's quite a light racket. Of course skill is everything but I think the feel of the racket is important as well, to some more than others.

There is nothing wrong with customizing your racquet. I never said there was. I'm saying its very very unhealthy for your game if you spend more time pondering about your racquet specs than actually practicing.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
I'm late to the party, but until a few years ago when i lost a step and changed surfaces, I never once felt the need to ever customize a racquet with lead. I dont call slapping a leather grip on customization altho technically it is I suppose. I got up to at least the 5.5 level this way

I felt as though, with the myriad of racquet choices out there, if i couldnt make the minor adjustment to make a racquet work prioperly, i just must not be a very good player

So my first customization involved removing weight from a racquet instead of adding...so much for needing lead for stability. Now I am back to stock racquets

You can usually tell by the things people post how much they've bought into the many myths spread about when they say things like;

-racquet is unstable and i need to add lead.
Translation: they cant find the sweetzone or cant find it w. enough batspeed

-or how about the people who buy a Vantage racquet only to customize it w. lead? lol..thought they were already buying a customized racquet? so they are customizing the customized.....

-or the ever popular. i just bought xxxxx racquet and want to know where to add the lead and how much to add.....thought the purpose of the lead was to customize the racquet to suit the individual????

could go on...rant over
 
Seriously? I have never customized a racquet in my life. I was in my tennis locker room for my top D1 and I couldn't help but to look through some of the lockers for racquet specs. To my utter suprise, none of the players customized their racquets at all! None! I saw stock prestieges, RDS, Babolats etc. I was shocked. After reading all this crap on this board for so long I assumed every top player customized thier frame. We have several All Americans on my team and all they do is slap an overgrip on and bam they can play. After seeing that, it makes me realize how whiny we mortals are about our equipment. Seriously, its your game, not your stick.

Weren't you looking for a way to customize you FXP Prestige some time back in the forum?
 
I've changed grips to leather (which adds weight to the handle) and occassionaly have added small amounts of lead to frames to add a little pop....but 90% of the time I have used stock...especially since I found the right specs in a Vantage.
 
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