why do you think nadal won AO only once in his carrer ?
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Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Surface conditions aside, I think Rafa needs match play to get going and build up confidence. He does not get that leading up to AO.
Also think every one being fresh hurts him as he can really grind you down late in the season (especially summer heat).
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
Because there is a roof.
RafaelNadal77
New User
Many years, he finished the previous year injured. So his preparation was biased, his body was still fragile, no rythm, so no confidence or injured again.
Gazelle
G.O.A.T.
Because he choked 3 winnable finals:
1) Losing against Djokovic from break up.
2) Panic attack against Wawrinka while gunning for the slam record, facing unexpected resistance, tried to hide it behind injury. Probably biggest choke of Nadal's career, he's never mentally collapsed like that.
3) Losing against Federer from break up.
1) Losing against Djokovic from break up.
2) Panic attack against Wawrinka while gunning for the slam record, facing unexpected resistance, tried to hide it behind injury. Probably biggest choke of Nadal's career, he's never mentally collapsed like that.
3) Losing against Federer from break up.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
It's not complicated if you just look at it year-by-year
2005: not good enough (he wasn't getting through Nalbandian-Roddick-Safin at 18 even if he outlasted Hewitt in that 5th)
2006: injured
2007: not good enough (zoning Gonzo)
2008: not good enough (zoning Jo)
2009: took everything had just to win this one
2010: injured (would've been the favorite if healthy)
2011: injured (wasn't beating Novak anyway)
2012: missed that bunt down the line. But it's not like that was match point.
2013: injured
2014: injured + Stan was great
2015: not good enough
2016: not good enough
2017: Random Fedr backhand god mode
2018: injured (idk if he would've beaten Fed anyway)
2019: even if he came in firing 100% on offense and defense, he wasn't beating that Novak
2020: again, wasn't beating Novak even if he got past Timmy
2005: not good enough (he wasn't getting through Nalbandian-Roddick-Safin at 18 even if he outlasted Hewitt in that 5th)
2006: injured
2007: not good enough (zoning Gonzo)
2008: not good enough (zoning Jo)
2009: took everything had just to win this one
2010: injured (would've been the favorite if healthy)
2011: injured (wasn't beating Novak anyway)
2012: missed that bunt down the line. But it's not like that was match point.
2013: injured
2014: injured + Stan was great
2015: not good enough
2016: not good enough
2017: Random Fedr backhand god mode
2018: injured (idk if he would've beaten Fed anyway)
2019: even if he came in firing 100% on offense and defense, he wasn't beating that Novak
2020: again, wasn't beating Novak even if he got past Timmy
WarriorRafa
Hall of Fame
Bad luck + tough opponents( 2012, 2017, 2019), injury(2014).
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K-H
Hall of Fame
How is AO court anything like The O2. Hes reached 5 finals at AO. Beaten fed there 3 times. Its not like London O2. Its not as fast.
Hes been much worse at O2 than AO
I don't agree. How many WTF finals has he been in, one maybe? So he had minimal chances of bagging a WTF title!
He has been in 4 AO finals since winning his only one. And two of those, he was the betting favorite midway thru the fifth! He probably should've won one more, and might've won two more!
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
It's still on the faster side. It's no mystery, the faster and more 'neutral' the court is, the more he struggles. Rafa thrives in adverse conditions: wind, sun, humidity, slow punishing surfaces. Every time you take one of those factors away, you lower his margins and expose his weaknesses.
ollinger
G.O.A.T.
this
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Deleted member 744633
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The AO final against Wawrinka was a choke? What the hell are you talking? He was blasted right off the court by Wawrinka. That was anything but a choke. I don't know if the injury was real but injured or not, he was going to lose. Wawrinka played top tennis!
alexio
G.O.A.T.
a big illusion to think he would win anyway..7-6 7-6 7-6 round before with birdman,..machan
anarosevoli
Semi-Pro
Berettini not good enough
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Deleted member 744633
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a big illusion to think he would win anyway..7-6 7-6 7-6 round before with birdman,..machan
ha ha, agreed Machan
Atennisone
Hall of Fame
Before UO 2017, I would say Nadal's 2nd best slam was AO. Now I'm saying 3rd, but the thing is AO draws for Nadal have not been as not hard as UO. For me it feels like a destiny.
Nadal is destined to not win another AO
Another example is how I do feel that, Federer is destined, to not win another UO,.
So I know it's an awful excuse but I almost wanna say "unlucky", I mean in a coin flip he would have won just one of 2012 and 2017.
dellealpi10
Rookie
Same reason as he has 0 WTF titles: his form.
His form is low in the beginning of the year, then improve in turn and reach peak in the middle of the year, then decline until the end of the year.
So he usually unsuccess in the beginning and the end of the season.
His form is low in the beginning of the year, then improve in turn and reach peak in the middle of the year, then decline until the end of the year.
So he usually unsuccess in the beginning and the end of the season.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Nadal has had some great Australian runs but early in his career he was vulnerable to big hitters on hard court and when he entered his prime Djokovic was the absolute master on slow hardcourt. Wawrinka’s performance against Djokovic in 2014 was so special. Stan is the one guy who showed up and just blasted Djokovic with heavy power from both wings. It’s why everyone pretty much loves Wawrinka.
FiReFTW
Legend
lol ok nadal was injured half of his career, healthy nadal unbeatable confirmed.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Not good enough
Rewatch the match on youtube. More times than not Federer's backhand was owning Nadal's forehand. It was something I had not seen before in any of their previous slam matches I had watched. Also the easy points Nadal usually gets off Fed's backhand were in short supply, it held up for better than many fans expected.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
That just made me laugh
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Lol
Pheasant
Legend
The draws are tougher. At the AO, he had to get through the best AO players ever. And that’s by a wide margin.
Djoker has 8 titles there
Federer has 6 titles + 14 semis in a 15 year span(and 15 of 17), which is truly remarkable.
Whatever fortune that Nadal had at the USO has been easily offset by the harsh luck he’s had at the AO. Even in 2018, he was forced to go through an in-form Cilic, followed by an well-playing Federer. Nadal ran across a peak zoning Stan as well. 2017 was no picnic. And then you have Djoker playing his very best tourney at other times.
Nadal has been very unlucky with his draws there.
Djoker has 8 titles there
Federer has 6 titles + 14 semis in a 15 year span(and 15 of 17), which is truly remarkable.
Whatever fortune that Nadal had at the USO has been easily offset by the harsh luck he’s had at the AO. Even in 2018, he was forced to go through an in-form Cilic, followed by an well-playing Federer. Nadal ran across a peak zoning Stan as well. 2017 was no picnic. And then you have Djoker playing his very best tourney at other times.
Nadal has been very unlucky with his draws there.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
FlamingCheeto
Hall of Fame
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TheNachoMan
Guest
2010 - outplayed by a peaking Murray, and injured
2011 - outplayed by a peaking Daveed, and injured
2012 - lost one of the greatest matches of all time
2013 - absent
2014 - outplayed by a peaking Stan, and injured
2015 - absolutely ROFLstomped by a peaking Berd, probably not injured
2016 - Dasco got revenge for 2009
2017 - lost one of the most historically important matches of all time
2018 - lost to a peaking Cilic, and injured
2019 - sent to the shadowrealm by a peaking and unstoppable Novak, didn’t lose a set until the final
2020 - lost to a peaking Tim, probably not injured
2021 - choked a two set lead to Sissypas, probably just tired from being old and not injured
that about cover it?
2011 - outplayed by a peaking Daveed, and injured
2012 - lost one of the greatest matches of all time
2013 - absent
2014 - outplayed by a peaking Stan, and injured
2015 - absolutely ROFLstomped by a peaking Berd, probably not injured
2016 - Dasco got revenge for 2009
2017 - lost one of the most historically important matches of all time
2018 - lost to a peaking Cilic, and injured
2019 - sent to the shadowrealm by a peaking and unstoppable Novak, didn’t lose a set until the final
2020 - lost to a peaking Tim, probably not injured
2021 - choked a two set lead to Sissypas, probably just tired from being old and not injured
that about cover it?
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
All I know is I really enjoyed watching 2009 AO Nadal
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