Why no extra wide tennis shoes?

toby55555

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Running shoes, cross trainers, hiking shoes all readily available in 6E extra wide so what’s with tennis shoes that no manufacturer deems it worthwhile. Is it because they sell enough as fashion shoes that they don’t feel the need to cater to a smaller section of the market?
 
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Boubi

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Running shoes, cross trainers, hiking shoes all readily available in 6E extra wide so what’s with tennis shoes that no manufacturer deems it worthwhile. Is it because they sell enough as fashion shoes that they don’t feel the need to cater to a smaller section of the market?
Because it's no swimming sport
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Not in my experience. The Adidas Solecourt Boost I'm pretty sure I can go a full size down, and a lot of the SCB people have found the same. The Barricades were very roomy too.

Glad your feet weren't shredded to ribbons like mine.

Nike and Asics only for me now. Actually any brand but Adidas.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
New Balance are the wide shoe specialists in tennis shoes, but the few pairs i tried all felt like inflexible concrete slabs underfoot. Maybe the top end pairs are better.

Kswiss hypercourt express are equivalent to a 2e, apparently the diadora blueshield speed AG (sp?) are wide, but outside of that i am at a loss and it gets too expensive buying shoes in hopes that they'll fit, based on reviews, only for them to be unwearably narrow when you get them. So kswiss it is, despite the cushioning underfoot wearing thin pretty quickly.
 

kramer woodie

Professional
Running shoes, cross trainers, hiking shoes all readily available in 6E extra wide so what’s with tennis shoes that no manufacturer deems it worthwhile. Is it because they sell enough as fashion shoes that they don’t feel the need to cater to a smaller section of the market?

toby

There is less profit if you can not have a mass market. I should know. I grew up wearing a 12 A-width with a triple AAA heal. I found most of my shoes at cancellation shoe stores. The A-width shoes did not sell, to few buyers. Therefore, ended up being removed from mainline shoe stores.

Now if you possibly think an A-width is narrow, think again. My mother wore what was called a quinn, that is a AAAAA-width. Very hard to find, so
she ended up buying shoes out of stores in Chicago only. She would go to Chicago and buy 10 pairs of new shoes, then return home.

My point is you are on the other end of the spectrum wide verses narrow. I can understand your frustration. I dealt with much the same problem,
but I a least could go wider and wear 2 pairs of socks. You don't have that solution.

So, Good Luck finding a shoe that works for you and buy 10 pair at one time. That should work for 2-3 years, or until wider shoes become readily
available. By the way in dress shoes no one today makes a 12A, the best I can find are 12 B width. Those B-width dress shoes are only made in Italy. Expensive!

Shalom
 

airchallenge2

Hall of Fame
It's very expensive for a manufacturer to provide that extreme size. Personally I never heard of 6E. The widest I know is 4E from new balance. And I would add that the NB tennis shoes tend to be narrower than their running or training shoes.
 

SVP

Semi-Pro
It's very expensive for a manufacturer to provide that extreme size. Personally I never heard of 6E. The widest I know is 4E from new balance. And I would add that the NB tennis shoes tend to be narrower than their running or training shoes.
I had my feet measured at a specialty running shoe store. My left foot was 4E width, right foot 6E. I went to NB. Their tennis shoes only went up to 4E. I ended up going up half a size in length to accommodate my width.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
It's very expensive for a manufacturer to provide that extreme size. Personally I never heard of 6E. The widest I know is 4E from new balance. And I would add that the NB tennis shoes tend to be narrower than their running or training shoes.
I have pairs of 6E x-trainers from NB, bit heavy for tennis though.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
Thanks for writing, and I am sorry for the unavailability of the width in question with our Tennis Court shoes. I will be happy to further address your query.
As we have a number of excellent Tennis Court shoes, like all other New Balance styles, they are demand driven. Unfortunately, the demand is far too low to produce 6E widths, and there is no indication that this will change in the near future.
However, your comments are important to us, and your feedback will be passed onto our Product Development Team for future consideration, which also helps increase the demand.
You can also take a look at our highly popular MX857v2 and MX624v2 Cross Trainers, which are also designed for court use and available in the 6E width. Here is the link to view the shoes:


Okay fair enough except how would they know there is not enough demand for 6E tennis without trying the market in one style at least and why would there be demand for running and cross trainers but not tennis?
Anyway I reckon they lose a lot of sales to K Swiss which are definitely the widest fit though still not perfect for me.
 

toby55555

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I may get those 6E x-trainers. It would be nice to wear shoes that truly fit me. But then I would have to buy a pair of the 4Es to fit my 4E foot.
My right foot is a bit wider too button so much that the left foot is sliding. Even if you find they are not great for tennis you can walk around in them.
 
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It's a matter of cost and the inventory limit a retailer can handle.

1) From a cost perspective, the biggest investment with footwear is in the tooling. That's the midsole and outsole of the shoe. Metal molds need to be created for each half size and they typically cost $5-10,000 USD for each midsole+outsole mold. That's why manufacturers will use a bell curve and limit the size run of the model. For M's, it will typically be from US size 6-14. So that's already $170k USD for one set of molds. In regards to width, the molds can usually accommodate 2 widths. So if a mold is for a D width, you can use different lasts to get to a C width and E width. It's often tough to tell the difference between one width difference, so if you want to offer a 2E width and actually have the consumer feel the difference, then that requires a new molds, and now they have to double the investment with another $170k, which needs to be amortized over the additional volume of width shoes...and that number is never doubled. Tough to pencil out from a cost POV.
2) In order to get these width options to a consumer, the retailer has to be willing to carry this extra inventory and SKU. Knowing that the you might sell 1 2E or B width shoe for every 10, brick and mortar doors would rather carry a more efficient SKU (another model or color way). Online stores have less of a space constraint, but it's still about efficiencies.

Because of both conditions, it's chicken or egg, and both supply and demand are low. Niche companies like NB can hang their hats on widths, but its still a considerable investment and niche because the bigger brands feel ok leaving that business on the table.
 

airchallenge2

Hall of Fame
Must be a lot more runners than the tennis/casual market then.
I wonder how many buyers of K Swiss only choose the brand for the wider fit and would otherwise have bought a trendier Nike etc?

For sure manufacturers sale millions of running shoes, compared to few thousands of tennis pairs. Everybody and their mothers wear running shoes. That doesn't make them runners, though. How many grandmas do you see wearing tennis shoes while shopping at Costco?
 

widefoot

New User
With true 3 to 4E feet, this is such an issue for me. The New Balance just don't work for me. The Adidas as noted even though they say 4E aren't. 10 years ago Nike made a quality air cross trainer that I bought multiple pairs but no more. When I saw the Zoom X Wide I almost bought a dozen, then realized it was the tenth model in wide (and that is a very generous rating). I am reduced to playing tennis in the Nike Air Monarch -- you know the old guy shoe. Size is good, technology, cushioning and style not so much.

I understand there aren't as many wide foot tennis players, but the personal customization route should accommodate. Or don't change the model every few months. Just give us quality shoe, maybe in a color besides white, black or gray? Makers are you listening?
 

hutennis

New User
With true 3 to 4E feet, this is such an issue for me. The New Balance just don't work for me. The Adidas as noted even though they say 4E aren't. 10 years ago Nike made a quality air cross trainer that I bought multiple pairs but no more. When I saw the Zoom X Wide I almost bought a dozen, then realized it was the tenth model in wide (and that is a very generous rating). I am reduced to playing tennis in the Nike Air Monarch -- you know the old guy shoe. Size is good, technology, cushioning and style not so much.

I understand there aren't as many wide foot tennis players, but the personal customization route should accommodate. Or don't change the model every few months. Just give us quality shoe, maybe in a color besides white, black or gray? Makers are you listening?

The NB toe boxes seem narrower now than they were a few years ago. All the other brands in my experience have not been true to width. Haven’t tried the Monarch in awhile but might give them a try again.


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tonylg

Legend
Another EEE foot here. I just threw away a pair of brand new Nikes that were supposed to be wide fitting because I could not even get them on.

In fact, I've just deleted about 4 lines of complaining about shoes that used to offer a wider fit, but now really don't.

MIZUNO is one I've had more luck with lately. Purely by accident. Even if not labelled as wide fitting, give them a try and see if they work for you.
 

hutennis

New User
I'm a true EEEE and some. The issue I have is that most XWIDE or 4EEEE tennis shoes seem to just add additional material to the upper shoe but make incremental if any changes to the actual sole. You end up with a shoe that might fit but can be highly unstable due to a mushrooming effect. I've found that with Nike tennis shoes but not so much with New Balance. I haven't tried Mizuno shoes before but their toe boxes seem pretty narrow for me.
 

airchallenge2

Hall of Fame
I'm a true EEEE and some. The issue I have is that most XWIDE or 4EEEE tennis shoes seem to just add additional material to the upper shoe but make incremental if any changes to the actual sole. You end up with a shoe that might fit but can be highly unstable due to a mushrooming effect. I've found that with Nike tennis shoes but not so much with New Balance. I haven't tried Mizuno shoes before but their toe boxes seem pretty narrow for me.

Yes. It is extremely expensive to actually make wider metal molds, together with wider uppers. The demand is not there to cover the costs.
 

etd

Rookie
Seems that sports shoes are getting narrower in general. I have experienced the same problem with basketball shoes and baseball cleats.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
What's a good shoe for wide flat feet? Not ultra wide, just 2E wide with fallen arches? Most feet are wide in the forefoot, but mine is wide mid sole.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
For the record I settled on the K Swiss Bigshot Light Leather in the end, its very wide (at least a proper 4E) and being leather has some break in too.
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
My foot is built like a shovel. Wide and flat at the tip. My JuJutsu instructor once told me 'You foot like shovel - good for kicking!'.
I have been wearing NB and Puma when I can, but mostly I go up a half size or so and add an insole to keep the heel in place.
 
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