Why no Multi/Poly?

[Deleted member 120290]

Many pros and amateurs use Gut/Poly hybrid for obvious reasons, e.g. spin, comfort, power, etc. But I don't see too many rec players trying Multi/Poly. Are there good reasons for that? I would think that unless you are very wealthy and/or getting free gut like the pros, multi/gut would make sense. Save money and the headache of gut, e.g rain, humidity, stringing, etc. Can a quality multi/poly hybrid be a good substitute for gut/poly? Why or why not?

 

[mad dog1]

try it out and let us know!

i've actually been thinking of trying this since i've got a few sets of gamma professional, head fxp, fxp power, babolat xcel and wilson sensation. but every time i go to restring my sticks somehow i end up w/ a full bed of poly because i remember that my playtests w/ a full bed of multi never went very well and i ultimately ended up coming back to poly.

 

[Ramon]

Having tried it before, my advice is "No" if you're a string breaker. If you're not a string breaker, don't use anything too expensive because you might actually discover a way for you to break strings. :lol:

 

[mad dog1]

Having tried it before, my advice is "No" if you're a string breaker. If you're not a string breaker, don't use anything too expensive because you might actually discover a way for you to break strings. :lol:

i'm not a huge string breaker, but i'll snap 17g syn gut in open patterns in less than 4 hrs now. back when i was experimenting w/ some multis, syn gut was lasting me ~6-8 hrs. i was getting slightly durability out of the 17g multis. this is actually the main reason why i haven't bothered going back to multis.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

Having tried it before, my advice is "No" if you're a string breaker. If you're not a string breaker, don't use anything too expensive because you might actually discover a way for you to break strings. :lol:

Even if you hybrid with a very durable 16g multi like RIP, PPA and Multifibre, multi/poly won't last long? Is 8-10 hours unrealistic if I break VS 17g/poly in 6-7 hours?

 

[mad dog1]

Even if you hybrid with a very durable 16g multi like RIP, PPA and Multifibre, multi/poly won't last long? Is 8-10 hours unrealistic if I break VS 17g/poly in 6-7 hours?

there's only one way to find out! :mrgreen: i'm sure you'll let us know how it turns out!

i'm almost out of ItB so it's gonna be time to place another other so i might add a couple of sets of Microfibre to the order that i can hybrid w/ some poly crosses.

 

[smirker]

Many pros and amateurs use Gut/Poly hybrid for obvious reasons, e.g. spin, comfort, power, etc. But I don't see too many rec players trying Multi/Poly. Are there good reasons for that? I would think that unless you are very wealthy and/or getting free gut like the pros, multi/gut would make sense. Save money and the headache of gut, e.g rain, humidity, stringing, etc. Can a quality multi/poly hybrid be a good substitute for gut/poly? Why or why not?

I have used Pro Supex Matrix extensively (hybrid with their Max Touch multi & Big Ace poly) in the opposite way to their recommendation, i.e with the multi in the mains. Great performance at a low price. Looked great too in my Dunlops but not so in the PD. I will ignore the cosmetics though and re-string with this once the gut /poly I have in there currently pops.

 

[fortun8son]

If you are breaking VS that quickly, Something like PPA is worth a shot.
Leave Rip alone, not enough power or feel.
You may want to try 16g Tonic first, though

 

[Ramon]

Even if you hybrid with a very durable 16g multi like RIP, PPA and Multifibre, multi/poly won't last long? Is 8-10 hours unrealistic if I break VS 17g/poly in 6-7 hours?

I've tried RIP mains, and for you I'll give it 3-4 hours. I'm guessing the other 2 will turn out the same, but if you want to try it with something cheap, go for it and let us know what happens.

 

[finalfantasy7]

I tried bhbr/nrg2, once I liked the nrg2 but hated bhbr, strings did not gel together, 53/51 k90. kiteboard used to have this setup before changing to l-tec. It was my 1st time using bhbr and I hated it just felt plastic to me. liked it in full bed

 

[mcnota]

either use gut/lux or just use poly..

if you start messing around with poly/multi mixes you'll be messing around with string setup's for 6 months before you know it

that being said my go to multi poly setup was lux alu mains, dunlop m-fil tour crosses

m-fil tour was a really great string, i think they changed the name of it now or discontinued it

 

[Ramon]

I thought the point of this thread was trying multi mains. It's pretty well established that poly mains multi crosses is a valid combination for a lot of players.

 

[fgs]

if you are a flat hitter you should give it a go. if you are a heavy topspinner just forget about it. i recently strung up one of my sticks with mcs mains and mpp crosses and after 15 minutes (including warmup in the halfcourt) the mains broke.

feeling was fantastic and spin was really impressive - it was better than what i got in all my shaped/structured poly mains tested so far (with mcs crosses!). but if i were to play a practice session i would need some 8 sticks!

 

[Dags]

Here's my take on it. Additional spin is caused by the mains moving and snapping back into place. A slick poly in the crosses helps this. Natural gut retains elasticity like nothing else, and pretty much lasts until the string breaks. Poly also returns to position, though stops doing so after a number of hours when the elasticity has gone and the string is deemed 'dead'.

Syn guts and multis behave differently, at least for me. With one of these in the mains they move all over the place, and don't return. This means I don't get that spin assistance I would with natural gut or poly.

Multis obviously bring other characteristics - most notably power and comfort. At which point we have to ask why stick poly in the cross? The obvious reason would be to reduce power, but to do that I prefer to increase tension in a full bed. Durability may also be an argument, but not for me - I barely notch the crosses, and so it's either breaking a main or cutting it out.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

Wow! I had no idea that multis break so fast in multi/poly setup. I ordered a set of Discho Microfibre (DM) and was thinking about doing DM 16g/CoF 1.23 hybrid as a substitute to Tonic/4s because Tonic BT7 feels worse than NXT Tour (as I recall) I used a long time ago. I may still try out DM/CoF for the heck of it. If it gives me 6+ hours of quality play it may be worth it. $12.50 + $4.50 / 2 = $8.50 per hybrid set would make a lot of financial sense at 6+ hours.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

Here's my take on it. Additional spin is caused by the mains moving and snapping back into place. A slick poly in the crosses helps this. Natural gut retains elasticity like nothing else, and pretty much lasts until the string breaks. Poly also returns to position, though stops doing so after a number of hours when the elasticity has gone and the string is deemed 'dead'.

Syn guts and multis behave differently, at least for me. With one of these in the mains they move all over the place, and don't return. This means I don't get that spin assistance I would with natural gut or poly.

Multis obviously bring other characteristics - most notably power and comfort. At which point we have to ask why stick poly in the cross? The obvious reason would be to reduce power, but to do that I prefer to increase tension in a full bed. Durability may also be an argument, but not for me - I barely notch the crosses, and so it's either breaking a main or cutting it out.

Interesting. So the mains in multi/poly won't snap back like the mains in gut/poly? That would mean that you would not get the gut/poly like spin with multi/poly which would defeat the purpose of using poly in the cross. If I'm not getting additional spin, there is no purpose for me in adding poly as a cross as opposed to full bed multi.

 

[Dags]

^^ That has been my experience. That said, as you've already bought the string I'd be tempted to give it a go: if it works out for you then great, if not then at least you've scratched the itch.

 

[Ramon]

In my experience I did get good spin with multi/poly, comparable to poly/multi, and it was more comfortable. I understand the theory of why that wouldn't happen, but my observation differs. Obviously the durability was a problem for me.

 

[Up&comer]

I tried bhbr/nrg2, once I liked the nrg2 but hated bhbr, strings did not gel together, 53/51 k90. I think mikeler used to have this setup before changing to l-tec.

Mikeler never used BHBR. He used Weisscannon black5edge mains and Mantis comfort synthetic crosses, then switched to genesis thunderblast crosses. He now uses full Discho Microfibre. He has never used L-tec.

You must be thinking of Kiteboard.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

Mikeler never used BHBR. He used Weisscannon black5edge mains and Mantis comfort synthetic crosses, then switched to genesis thunderblast crosses. He now uses full Discho Microfibre. He has never used L-tec.

You must be thinking of Kiteboard.

We all know Mikeler is LTec's biggest fanboy. He's just too ashamed to post it in public. :twisted:

 

[Deleted member 293577]

I use a multi/poly setup and I couldn't be happier (poly in the mains, multi in the crosses). I don't break strings and my multis are barely starting to fray when I have to cut them out, because the poly and tension has gone dead.

Life is short, try both setups and decide for yourself. TW will be happy to help you out with that

 

[finalfantasy7]

Mikeler never used BHBR. He used Weisscannon black5edge mains and Mantis comfort synthetic crosses, then switched to genesis thunderblast crosses. He now uses full Discho Microfibre. He has never used L-tec.

You must be thinking of Kiteboard.

Your correct, my bad mikeler, edited

 

[mad dog1]

Wow! I had no idea that multis break so fast in multi/poly setup. I ordered a set of Discho Microfibre (DM) and was thinking about doing DM 16g/CoF 1.23 hybrid as a substitute to Tonic/4s because Tonic BT7 feels worse than NXT Tour (as I recall) I used a long time ago. I may still try out DM/CoF for the heck of it. If it gives me 6+ hours of quality play it may be worth it. $12.50 + $4.50 / 2 = $8.50 per hybrid set would make a lot of financial sense at 6+ hours.

since you already ordered a set of DM, i guess it can't hurt to try it out as Dags mentioned. let me know how it works out for you. if it's good, i'll definitely get some when i place my next order.

 

[fgs]

tenfanla,
i have a very topspin centered game and play quite a fast ball, so durability is an issue with me. i go through poly currently in the mains withing max. 8 hrs of combined play - if i only do practice sessions with no pointplay, it's even less.

this is the reason why i said that for a flat hitter it surely is worth a try. the touch was really incredible and the spin surprisingly too.

 

[Power Player]

Gut poly is my go to, but I'm trying some ogsm mains and poly crosses tonight. I love real crisp setups in a more flexible racquet. Also think syngut is a better option as a main then multis if you use a poly cross.

 

[Ramon]

Gut poly is my go to, but I'm trying some ogsm mains and poly crosses tonight. I love real crisp setups in a more flexible racquet. Also think syngut is a better option as a main then multis if you use a poly cross.

PSGD didn't last long as a main for me with a poly cross. It felt good, but it moved a lot, which was annoying. It probably requires an extra durability type of syngut (Red Alert maybe?).

 

[shogun90]

I have tried Pro's Pro Red Devil/Pro's Pro Claycourt Plus and vice versa in my Yonex VCore 100S, I found that when the multi is in the main there is a lot of string movement and the multis do not snap back. So I prefer either Poly/multi or full Poly.

 

[Power Player]

PSGD didn't last long as a main for me with a poly cross. It felt good, but it moved a lot, which was annoying. It probably requires an extra durability type of syngut (Red Alert maybe?).

The gosen/cyberflash did not move at all in 2 hours of hitting and felt great. I actually was very impressed with this setup. Let's see how long it lasts.

 

[mikeler]

We all know Mikeler is LTec's biggest fanboy. He's just too ashamed to post it in public. :twisted:

You are thinking of Torres. They seem overhyped and overpriced to me but perhaps a hit with them would change my mind.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

Gut poly is my go to, but I'm trying some ogsm mains and poly crosses tonight. I love real crisp setups in a more flexible racquet. Also think syngut is a better option as a main then multis if you use a poly cross.

The gosen/cyberflash did not move at all in 2 hours of hitting and felt great. I actually was very impressed with this setup. Let's see how long it lasts.

Have you tried multi/poly vs gosen/poly? I'm wondering if syngut/poly snaps back and generates good amount of spin like gut/poly, whereas multi/poly just stays stuck.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

You are thinking of Torres. They seem overhyped and overpriced to me but perhaps a hit with them would change my mind.

Yeah, I know you never tried Ltec. I was kidding. Anyway if I string gut/poly at 55/50, what do you think I should string DM 16g/CoF 1.23 at? 52/48? 55/50? 52/50?

 

[Power Player]

Have you tried multi/poly vs gosen/poly? I'm wondering if syngut/poly snaps back and generates good amount of spin like gut/poly, whereas multi/poly just stays stuck.

Yes I have rip control and cofocus in another stick and I hate it. No feel at all.

The spin I am getting with the gosen is awesome. Heavy balls. I did not get this same amount of spin with red alert mains. I see why Jim courier loves this setup.

 

[UCSF2012]

I strung up a friend's racket with Gamma Professional 16 Spin mains at 58lbs, and BHBR 16 crosses at 52 lbs. After a 2.5hr hitting session, the mains snapped right in the middle of the string bed. Severe notching in the entire stringbed.

I retired the multi/poly combo.

 

[Power Player]

That sounds with what happened to me with red alert.

That being said, if ogsm mains can give me 6-8 hours, it is a great setup.We shall see.

 

[mad dog1]

You are thinking of Torres. They seem overhyped and overpriced to me but perhaps a hit with them would change my mind.

i don't recommend you try L-Tec give your history of arm problems.

 

[mad dog1]

That sounds with what happened to me with red alert.

That being said, if ogsm mains can give me 6-8 hours, it is a great setup.We shall see.

i doubt you'll get 6-8 hrs w/ OGSM especially since the RDiS 200 has a VERY open pattern. i get 2-4 hrs max w/ OGSM17.

 

[mikeler]

i don't recommend you try L-Tec give your history of arm problems.

I have no plans to use poly anytime soon.

 

[TennisCJC]

I use multi Volkl Power Fibre II 16g in mains with Sig Pro Torndao (or hyperions) 17g in the crosses. I like it a great deal. I play mostly doubles now and I find it to have good spin on groundstrokes and serves and it volleys a lot better than poly/multi. Multi 55-57 lbs with poly cross at 50-52 lbs in summer - drop each down 2 lbs in winter months.

I get about 10-12 hours of doubles before the multi snaps.

I have also played volkl syn gut 16g mains with sig pro tornado or hyperions 17G crosses. I like this a lot too - pretty crisp and lots of spin. I think the multi is a little better for feel and maintains playability better. And the syn gut breaks a bit quicker - maybe 1 or 2 hours less time to snapping.

 

[Power Player]

i doubt you'll get 6-8 hrs w/ OGSM especially since the RDiS 200 has a VERY open pattern. i get 2-4 hrs max w/ OGSM17.

Indeed it does. I use the 16 so that may help a little, but thats probably wishful thinking.

It looks great after 2 hours though. If I can pull it off I'd seriously rotate 3 sticks with this setup..it would be awesome.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

I use multi Volkl Power Fibre II 16g in mains with Sig Pro Torndao (or hyperions) 17g in the crosses. I like it a great deal. I play mostly doubles now and I find it to have good spin on groundstrokes and serves and it volleys a lot better than poly/multi. Multi 55-57 lbs with poly cross at 50-52 lbs in summer - drop each down 2 lbs in winter months.

I get about 10-12 hours of doubles before the multi snaps.

I have also played volkl syn gut 16g mains with sig pro tornado or hyperions 17G crosses. I like this a lot too - pretty crisp and lots of spin. I think the multi is a little better for feel and maintains playability better. And the syn gut breaks a bit quicker - maybe 1 or 2 hours less time to snapping.

Very interesting. Between the Power Fibre/Tornado and Syn Gut/Tornado, which has more spin and control? Is there much of a difference? Also does the multi main get stuck or does it slide back like syn gut or nat gut mains?

 

[fortun8son]

There was a poster here, I forget who, that loved Forten Sweet16 gold in the mains.

 

[Power Player]

I wonder how that feels compared to the og sheep. The micro strings up and just looks like gut. Obviously nothing beats gut, but the ogsm sure does a great job so far. I'm trying again with it tonight.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

I wonder how that feels compared to the og sheep. The micro strings up and just looks like gut. Obviously nothing beats gut, but the ogsm sure does a great job so far. I'm trying again with it tonight.

Yeah, I'm curious to see how long ogsm lasts you and if it plays well until breakage.

 

[Power Player]

I got another 2 hours out of it tonight and it played fantastic. I was hitting pretty hard too ..real clean shots. I love this setup. I feel it losing tension a bit, and think I can get another 2 hours out of it before it goes.

If I get 6 hours out of this, it is a great setup because I'll just string 3 sticks with it and rotate them. That's around $15 for 3 sticks strung the same.

 

[Ramon]

I got another 2 hours out of it tonight and it played fantastic. I was hitting pretty hard too ..real clean shots. I love this setup. I feel it losing tension a bit, and think I can get another 2 hours out of it before it goes.

If I get 6 hours out of this, it is a great setup because I'll just string 3 sticks with it and rotate them. That's around $15 for 3 sticks strung the same.

What gauge of Cyberflash? What tension are you using?

 

[Fuji]

I've only used M/P once and it was awful. I used X1 in the mains and ALU Rough in the crosses. 50/48 and it didn't last long at all! The poly just sawed through the mains super fast, albeit it was in a BLX 90 with it's open pattern.

It was my bad using X1 but it definitely wasn't something I would use for 16 bucks a string job.

-Fuji

 

[Deleted member 120290]

I'll be receiving some strings by Wed. Because of my sore arm, I'm cutting out my full poly and testing more arm friendly setups. These setups are also relatively cost effective and low maintenance compared to gut/poly. (1)ogsm 16/Yonex Pro Tour Poly 17, (2)Discho Microfibre 16g/YPTP 17. Then depending on whether I prefer ogsm or DM in the mains, I'll try a hybrid with BHBR 16.

 

[Power Player]

What gauge of Cyberflash? What tension are you using?

1.23 cyberflash and 1.30 ogsm at 58/54. It drops about 6 pounds in tension and then dropped another pound after today.

 

[levy1]

i don't recommend you try L-Tec give your history of arm problems.

L-Tec is not a arm problem string in my humble OP. OS/4S was the stiffest setup I tried and again, no arm problems.

 

[mad dog1]

L-Tec is not a arm problem string in my humble OP. OS/4S was the stiffest setup I tried and again, no arm problems.

i believe arche3 and TenFanLA who hit hard with heavy spin, said that 0S/4S while it plays awesome for them does cause some arm discomfort after a while.
given Mikeler's history w/ arm pain, i'm pretty sure L-Tec would be an arm problem for him because it's stiff and he's had issues w/ poly strings that were softer than 0S/4S. While it may not cause him pain, i doubt he's willing to risk potential arm pain just to give it a try.