Wilson ncode six one Team and nPS

[scs96ajr]

Hi there,
I live in England and I was looking to buy a new racket (currently use Hyper Hammer 6.2). I tried the ncode six-one Team that is sold all over the place in the UK, but it not sold in the US!. I found that the racket was extraordinary in the control of the ball and I loved the feel of it. I was able to hit quite few hard balls, so I am looking to get some of these.

Since the price difference between buying in the US or UK is emourmous (UK prices twice as US) and I'll be in the US for a couple of weeks soon I thought I can get some there.

The racket seems to have exactly the same specs as the new nPS that is being sold in the US, although the color scheme is sligthly different. This ncode six one Team racket looks very, very similar to the nsix six one 95. The difference is that is lighter 10.7 ounces strung and it has the wording TEAM on the shaft.

Can anyone confirm if I am right in assuming that they are both the same racket?

I tried Wilson.com and found that they do not describe any of those rackets! Irrespective of searching as in Europe/US/Australia based websites. Non Wilson European websites describe the six-one Team and US ones describe the nPS.

Any clues/suggestions/help

Tim

 

[kabob]

Eh, what are you talking about? The Six-One Team 18x20 is sold all over the States. Hell, even my local pro shop carries 'em.

Anyways, TW has specs on both it and the standard 16x18 version and, of course, sells them. The differences between the two are that the Team has the denser string pattern and bit more weight. Other than that, the 16x18 standard edition and the Team are the same.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-WN6195.html

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-WN61HD.html

 

[scs96ajr]

Kabob

I did not find the TEAM racket as such. The link you put is for the nsix one 95 (18x20) according with the specs in TW website (the link you sent me) the weight is 12.3 ounces/349 grams strung. The one I want weights 10.7 ounces/289 grams strung.

I think there is an issue here.
That's why I am confused!

If you check the link below you'll see that here in the UK they sell nsix-one Tour, nsix one 95 (16x18) and (18x20) AND the so called nsix one TEAM (18x20). The specs look like the ones of the new nPS! But I am not sure



(check http://www.racketsdirect.com/Mercha...Product_Code=10085&Category_Code=a_ten_wilson)

Thanks anyway.

 

[kabob]

Read the description on the TW link. The 18x20 version sold in the US that TW sells is labeled the "TEAM." I've demoed one at my local pro shop and the graphics say TEAM on the side, as well. It doesn't feel quite as heavy as the specs say (12+ ounces) but it's definitely much heavier than a sub-11-ouncer.

I guess you're looking for the Euro-spec TEAM racquet?

 

[kabob]

Oops, I just realized I linked the same racquet twice rather than the US version of the six-one TEAM. Fixed.

 

[scs96ajr]

Kabob,
Yeah you are right about the description! However the larger image doesn't show the word TEAM written in the shaft. I'll try to take some pictures of it next time I restring one of these. But it is 289 grams and it says TEAM on the shaft (may be the other side so I do not rule it out!)

My problem is that a 350 g racket is too heavy since I tend to suffer from tennis elbow. The HH6.2 was OK but I always find an issue in the control of the ball. I would like to build up the weight of the racket slowly so that's why weight is a problem for me, and why i want a ~300 grams racket. I play with a lot of topspin and I break strings 2-3 times a month, playing only doubles 3 times a week.

I am sure that the issue is one of marketing. It is not unusual that rackets that are bought in the US happen not to exist on the UK shops and viceversa. By the way I got the hyper hammer 6.2 in USA few years ago. But in the UK was always a very rare racket, I dont think it was ever sold here! The H6 on the other hand was relatively common since it was offically sold here.


Regards

Tim

 

[kabob]

Heaviness shouldn't affect your tennis elbow. Matter of fact, more weight should help as less effort is required to hit through the ball which in turn leads to less stress on the joints. Tendonitis can be more attributed to a stiff racquet so I'd consider going with something softer and heavier. Have you given the Pro Kennex racquets a shot (Redondo and Type C)?

I play with an nCode six-one Tour 90 now and was in your boat a two years ago when I used to play with a Dunlop 300G. The stiffness and light weight of the latter gave me severe tendonitis in my shoulder. The Tour 90 is a Godsend

 

[scs96ajr]

Kabob,
I considered going to a 350 grams racket. But that's where I got the problem. I have a single handed backhand that is usually very powerful, but requieres a fast swing. I was using a wilson powercomp (or similar name) it was avery flexible 345 grams racket. And left me with an awful pain.
I then used a 260 grams racket (another Wilson recreational racket) for a couple of years and no pain. The HH62 has been OK on my elbow. I used a old prostaff 6.1 few weeks ago from a friend and it left my elbow sore!

I would like to use the nsix one 95 but I fear I'll pick an injury. Last time it kept me off court for 6 months, I do enjoy tennis just too much to afford more than a week without playing. And being over 40 doesnt help!

Cheers


Tim

 

[tarkowski]

Kabob,
I considered going to a 350 grams racket. But that's where I got the problem. I have a single handed backhand that is usually very powerful, but requieres a fast swing. I was using a wilson powercomp (or similar name) it was avery flexible 345 grams racket. And left me with an awful pain.
I then used a 260 grams racket (another Wilson recreational racket) for a couple of years and no pain. The HH62 has been OK on my elbow. I used a old prostaff 6.1 few weeks ago from a friend and it left my elbow sore!

I would like to use the nsix one 95 but I fear I'll pick an injury. Last time it kept me off court for 6 months, I do enjoy tennis just too much to afford more than a week without playing. And being over 40 doesnt help!

Cheers


Tim

scs96ajr,

I believe you are correct in thinking the nPS (US) and n61 Team( UK ) are the same racquet. Due to differences in US and UK and Wilson marketing, this is confusing indeed.

A while back, I posted what I believed to be the differences. I play n61 18x20 US - which DOES NOT have TEAM on racquet, but is described as TEAM on TW. It's the weightier racquet you are trying to avoid. Here's what I've been able to discern:

nSixOne Tour - Federer's marketed racquet
nSixOne 95 16x18 12+oz
nSixOne 95 18x20 12+ oz ( described as TEAM on TW)
nPS 95 18x20 10.7 oz
nSixOne Team 10.7 oz (NOT found on TW)

The last two seem to be the same racquet. Though various threads have indicated subtle differences in balance and flex.

Good luck - and let us know if you find the exact differences between the two racquets, or if indeed they are identical.

 

[scs96ajr]

nPS 95 (US) and six-one Team (UK) are the same frame

Confirmed.
I contacted Wilson and their answer is below (full thread). The nPS 95 (US Model) IS marketed in Europe as the nsix one 95 Team.

I loved the nsix one 95 Team so I'll get a couple of them next week.

Regards

Tim


Subject
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Difference between nPS 95 and nsix-One 95 TEAM (European model)


Discussion Thread
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Response (Joseph Byers) - 06/12/2006 10:01 AM The N6.1 Team is Europe is the same as our NPS 95.

Customer - 06/12/2006 12:41 AM
I noticed that in Europe you seem to trade 4 different rackets under the nsix-One name.

nSixOne Tour - Federer's marketed racquet nSixOne 95 16x18 12+oz nSixOne 95 18x20 12+ oz nSixOne Team 10.7 oz 18x20 10.7 oz

The last one seems not to be traded in the US, but instead, with very similar specs you trade the

nPS 95 18x20 10.7 oz

Am I correct in assuming that the nPS 95 and the nSixOne Team 10.7 oz 18x20 are the same frame?

Regards

 

[tarkowski]

Thanks for getting back to us scs96ajr!

It looks like the nPS is being discontinued in US and is currently being sold for a great price.

 

[dpr1960]

I realize that they say they are the same, check the specs....similar but different....



Quote from TW:




Wilson nPS 95 nCode Racquets


Price: 99.95



This light and maneuverable racquet offers excellent control from all areas of the court. A great choice for the all court player looking for a precision racquet that's easy to get around. At only 10.8 ounces strung, there's plenty of room for weight and balance customization without making the racquet too hefty. We found plenty of touch at net and the racquet's light and easy weight made for a lightning fast feel. There's lots of control to be had from the baseline and we found the nPS 95 to be very comfortable in play. It is easy to generate good racquet head speed on serve with this one and we found some surprising spin potential from the 18/20 string pattern. Players at the 4.0+ level who are looking to add some control to a powerful game should definitely take the nPS 95 out for a demo. Also a solid choice for those players who found the nSix-One line a little too demanding.




Midplus Specs
Head Size:
95 sq. in. / 613 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 10.8oz / 306g
Balance: 1pts Head Light
Swingweight: 325
Stiffness: 58
Beam Width: 21 mm Straight Beam
Composition: 10% nCoded Hyper Carbon / 90% nCoded High Modulus Graphite
Power Level: Low
Swing Speed: Fast
Grip Type: Micro-Dry Feel
String Pattern:
18 Mains / 20 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,10T,8H,10H
One Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 53-63

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The Ncode six one 95 Team...(which I have New) is exactly what you said in "your" description. The difference I see is Balance 4pts HL as compared to 1pt HL.....98sqin Head(check the frame) ....

I have just purchased this one....got it today. Its out being strung now.

It does have team on the side of the racket and has a much lower weight....289grams unstrung.

 

[bluescreen]

wow, im suprised the nPS and n6.1 team r the same racquet. im glad there's finally going to be no more dispute over the difference of the n6.1 team and the n6.1 95 18x20. i was getting annoyed w/ some people claiming the n6.1 95 18x20 and n6.1 team were the same thing.

 

[scs96ajr]

Midplus Specs
Head Size:
95 sq. in. / 613 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 10.8oz / 306g
Balance: 1pts Head Light
Swingweight: 325
Stiffness: 58
Beam Width: 21 mm Straight Beam
Composition: 10% nCoded Hyper Carbon / 90% nCoded High Modulus Graphite
Power Level: Low
Swing Speed: Fast
Grip Type: Micro-Dry Feel
String Pattern:
18 Mains / 20 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,10T,8H,10H
One Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 53-63

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The Ncode six one 95 Team...(which I have New) is exactly what you said in "your" description. The difference I see is Balance 4pts HL as compared to 1pt HL.....98sqin Head(check the frame) ....

I have just purchased this one....got it today. Its out being strung now.

It does have team on the side of the racket and has a much lower weight....289grams unstrung.

There is a typo in the description on the nPS.
in the shaft my racket says:

Weight 289 grams/10.8 oz (unstrung)
headsize 95 aq in
balance 33 cm (4 pts HL)
pattern 18x20
Are you sure aboout the size of the n6.1 TEAM model as 98 sq in?

Regards

Tim

 

[tennisbug]

besides, the swing weight for nPS is 325, compared with 302 for Team; the stiffness of nPS being 58, and that of Tean is 65. so they are not exactly the same...

 

[scs96ajr]

Tennisbug,
You may be right, however if you browse the wilson websites you find that the description of the n6.1 Team and the nPS are very similar. The only thing I couldn't answer for sure is if the nPS contains kevlar in the composition. But the description of the n6.1 95 team also varies accordingly with the location. The only thing I found for sure is that the nPS is not traded where the n6.1 Team is. And that the guy from Wilson said that they were the same racket.
Regards

 

[10isbum]

NPS 95 vs. Six-One Team

I have both rackets, the Six-One Team was purchased in Hong Kong and the NPS 95, locally. On the throat of the rackets, both have the same information, that is: 53-63 lbs, 27 inches, 10.2 ounces, 95 sq.in., 4 HL, and 18 X 20. These rackets play much differently than their cousin which weighs in at 12.2 ounces which feels much more boardy.

All dressed out for the courts, they come in about 11.2 ounces with strings, vibration dampener, overgrip, and lead tape at the 3 and 9 positions. They do feel similar but I prefer the Six-One team but attribute the difference in Wilson quality control rather than thinking they are different racket based upon a differece in flex.

I originally stumbled across this when I was looking for a replacement grommet/bumper kit for the Six-One Team and found that the one for the 12.2 ounce did not fit. E-mailed Wilson and they said they had no solution to my problem as they did not stock a replacement grommet set. Someone on the tennis board suggested trying the NPS grommet set and it worked. It seems kind of upsetting that Wilson doesn't know their world wide products or didn't wish to have it known that they are packaging the same racket under different models.

 

[altis]

I originally stumbled across this when I was looking for a replacement grommet/bumper kit for the Six-One Team and found that the one for the 12.2 ounce did not fit. E-mailed Wilson and they said they had no solution to my problem as they did not stock a replacement grommet set. Someone on the tennis board suggested trying the NPS grommet set and it worked. It seems kind of upsetting that Wilson doesn't know their world wide products or didn't wish to have it known that they are packaging the same racket under different models.

I'll be ordering the grommet set for my nSix-One Team 18x20 (289g unstrung version). Can you confirm that the nSix-One 18x20 grommet sold by TW cannot fit into my nSix-One Team?

 

[10isbum]

Grommet/bumper Kit for 18 X 20 Team

The NCode Team 18 X 20 uses the NPS grommet replacement kit. The two bumper guard have a different cosmetic pattern imprinted on it. The 289gram racke, 18 X 20, takes a bumper that has four wavy lines on it, the very same pattern found on the bumper kit labeled for the NPS.

The one that I received for the 18 X 20, U.S. version, is completely smooth and has a stock number of G7578.

 

[altis]

The NCode Team 18 X 20 uses the NPS grommet replacement kit. The two bumper guard have a different cosmetic pattern imprinted on it. The 289gram racke, 18 X 20, takes a bumper that has four wavy lines on it, the very same pattern found on the bumper kit labeled for the NPS.

The one that I received for the 18 X 20, U.S. version, is completely smooth and has a stock number of G7578.

thank you for your prompt response.