What :neutral: can't you understand English? Your making no sense
did i hurt your feelings or something. No idea what you're talking about.
Wimbledon 2009 (3R): Jo-Wilfried Tsonga [9] vs Ivo Karlovic [22]
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What :neutral: can't you understand English? Your making no sense
did i hurt your feelings or something. No idea what you're talking about.
lambielspins
Banned
Verdasco is up next for Ivo. I think Ivo's rode ends there.
Hmm.. I've got Ivo stranding in the Quarters against Federer in my bracket. Think he's got a good chance against Fernando. Though I think Verdasco's passing shots are better than Tsonga I think he's also a kind of guy that cna play sloppy points on big moments, and can be a bit frustrated easily.
shadows
Legend
If he serves anywhere near how he did today I think Ivo can take it, Verdasco hasn't been super convincing on grass this year (dropped a set to Montanes today) and Ivo seems in very good form
IvanAndreevich
Legend
I was talking more about saying that someone who lost to a player with 82 winners and 20 UE's is not an elite player. That's an awesome metric.
Why not just say that in the first place :roll:
The guy hit 82 winners because Tsonga let him
he had no reply for the big serve and the power shots.
Would he of had the same stats against Federer? Would he ****.
P
PERL
Guest
Good point and his forehand is effortless.
Such a poor baby attitude Jo. Well let’s watch some solid tennis now. Interesting matches on center court and court 1.
Andres
G.O.A.T.
Hahaha! Awesome!
Michael Essien
Semi-Pro
To be honest, I can kind of understand Tsongas body language, regardless of knowing what you're going to be facing, having never played the guy before I imagine it's an entirely different matter when you've just got ace after ace raining down on you like you've never experienced before, sure he just needs to get tougher mentally, but I can understand why he would get as frustrated and exasperated as he did today.
ChanceEncounter
Professional
Karlovic was impressive.
True, very true. Especially ivo's percentage of first serves was pretty unreal for such a big server. I have to say though that I was really disappointed with the next best thing (according to you
)showed absolutely zero heart and let Karlovic totally into his head. I mean, he won the second, so that's what you gotta do for 3 sets. Karlovic outplayed Tsonga, and Tsonga didn't try anything different. he guessed wrong all the time, while you would expect a great player to get some sort of read after 2 hours of serving. Also, he won less than 1 out of 3 points on the Karlovic second serve, and while Ivo was volleying lights out, that's still very disappointing from JWT's side. I just don't understand how he got so frustrated already in the third set, at 4 all or something, while you have had time to prepair for this kind of match for four days. I'm sure a Federer or Nadal would have stayed a lot more focussed.
I can understand it too, but it's still disappointing. Instead of fighting and pouncing on second serves he missed a lot of those returns as well and never even tried giving himself a chance. Sure he can be impressed by what Karlovic is doing, but it looked more like Karlovic annoyed him, while he was really just being outplayed.
Michael Essien
Semi-Pro
I don't think Karlovic outplayed Tsonga really, I mean Tsonga (save for the one game he got break) looked solid on his service games and was doing nothing wrong so he was generally doing his part, problem is that he had an absolute machine serving spectacularly and he could do nothing about it.
Michael Essien
Semi-Pro
Got broke obviously, not got break.
Mick
Legend
did you guys catch the interview they did with dementieva about what would happen if she had to return karlovic's serve in a mixed doubles match ?
she said karlovic is a very nice guy and he would not serve like that to the ladies
Hmm yeah, well but since Karlovic played more first serves in, won more points on first serve, EVEN WON MORE POINTS ON SECOND SERVE, had 3 bp's to Tsonga's zero, had thirty winners more than Tsonga.. He outplayed him. Not by a massive margin, but he was the better player on the day.. I had expected Tsonga to win at least 45% points on second serve from karlovic, but 27% is just lousy.
did you guys catch the interview they did with dementieva about what would happen if she had to return karlovic's serve in a mixed doubles match ?
she said karlovic is a very nice guy and he would not serve like that to the ladies
Lol, where did she say such a thing?
Mick
Legend
Lol, where did she say such a thing?
they interviewed her while they were showing the tsonga-karlovic match, and karlovic was just throwing one bomb after another
zagor
Bionic Poster
True, very true. Especially ivo's percentage of first serves was pretty unreal for such a big server. I have to say though that I was really disappointed with the next best thing (according to you
I just don't understand how he got so frustrated already in the third set, at 4 all or something, while you have had time to prepair for this kind of match for four days. I'm sure a Federer or Nadal would have stayed a lot more focussed.
You're right,Tsonga's body language was pretty bad.I know it was a very tough situation for anybody to be in with Ivo serving lights out but he had to expect a tough match,nobody wins easy against Ivo and nobody's comfortable playing him(not even Fed and Nadal).Tsonga didn't seem like he was prepared to gut out a win and go the distance which was disappointing to see.
LOL Ivo is one of the nicest and most shy guys around.
Yeah, read an interview on his website that he actually dislikes winning ATP titles because he has to talk in front of a big audience then.
Michael Essien
Semi-Pro
As break points go, it's not for the lack of trying I think - I mean when he did get to 0-30 on Karlovic' serve, the big man just fired four aces in a row. What can you do? You just can't get any rhythm against him. I don't think winning more points on second serve can be considered in any way something Tsongas done wrong either, I mean Ivo's second serve is probably still faster than some guys first serves.
Michael Essien
Semi-Pro
Ha, yeah I heard during commentary earlier, they were saying how he's completely different to his fierce game and all that, and that he's actually one of the most approachable guys on the tour.LOL Ivo is one of the nicest and most shy guys around.
Mick
Legend
they showed the graphic on espn2, karlovic's serve bounces much higher than tsonga's.
one commentator asked the other one why it was like that and the other one responded, karlovic serves from a mountain top :shock:
Michael Essien
Semi-Pro
Agree with that. As a person he seems like a thoroughly decent bloke. Generally I'm not a fan of his matches like a lot of people, but today I found myself quite riveted, thought it was insane how well he was serving, was interesting watching Tsonga react to it, was an odd match.
drgnpride
Rookie
LOL Ivo is one of the nicest and most shy guys around.
Agree with that, met him in Indian Wells in 07 and he was very friendly but a little shy (probably cause of language), got great picture of him with my daughter (he was sitting down but still taller than her)
Tsonga was also doing amazingly stupid stuff, like jumping around as Karlo was serving. I mean, he literally left the wide side wide open, and was sliding over toward center as Karlovic was serving. Seeing this, Karlovic of course served way out wide. So yea, Tsonga knows it's going there, but it's pointless, because no possibility of getting to and returning it; and even if he does return it, it'll be a sitter.
Amazingly, the commentators thought this was a "smart strategy", trying to get into Karlovic's head. LOL. It was idiotic. Karlovic probably thought it was amusing. Sure, maybe you cheat a little bit to one side. But you stay in position, ready to go either way when receiving; you don't slide over one way or another while the guy is serving; then you're in no position to get to it if they go the other way.
Completely idiotic.
Or you can guess just a fraction early on a big point, but he was like standing there already when Karlovic was still picking the right ball
tacou
G.O.A.T.
the way karlovic was serving tsonga basically had to guess every time. he was hoping ivo would see him one place before he looked up to strike the ball, and in that split second jump to the other side where there was a slightly better chance of the ball going. he did this too early a few times but really he couldn't do anything else, it was pure lights out serving. very upsetting match for a tsonga fan.
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