Winning 6 in a row vs the Calender Slam

Which is more impressive- Calender Slam vs 6 in a row


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grafrules

Banned
With all the talk about the Calender Grand Slam some have rightfully suggested Navratilova's feat of winning 6 consecutive slams does not get its due respect. So just out of curiosity I thought it might be interesting to start a poll, which is more impressive- the Calender Slam, or winning 6 in a row. Court and Connoly have managed both the Grand Slam and 6 in a row. Navratilova managed 6 in a row without winning the Grand Slam. Graf won the Grand Slam but was stopped at 5 in a row.
 
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timnz

Legend
Don Budge as well

He won 6 in a row in 1937 & 1938 (again including a calendar Grand Slam).

But your point is valid I feel. A calendar year is an arbitary thing. If the 'Grand Slam' is spread over 2 years then it is still just as impressive.
 

BTURNER

Legend
No doubt on this one for me. Winning four in the arbitrary time from a January through December in no way is more impressive than doing it from July through July and beyond. I am not so sure I am more impressed with shoving your slams in a nice little row rather than the same number of two or even three years. so sopmeone wins one in the middle. big deal!
 

urban

Legend
Ask Martina. I think, she would be glad, if it were a true Grand Slam. In her book, she regrets that she lost at the AO, the last major of the year, to Sukova, whose mother was one of her first coaches.
 

scootad.

Semi-Pro
I don't agree with the idea that a calendar year slam is "arbitrary" and therefore 6 slams in a row is more impressive.

Obviously both feats are extremely impressive. However, because of the prestige factor, trying to win the 4th leg of a calendar slam (the USO in recent years) is I would argue probably the most stressful and therefore most impressive feat in tennis because of its historic implications. Organizing and ranking bodies (i.e. ITF, ATP, WTA) attach an importance to the player who is ranked #1 at the end of the year & there is a reason that an award exists called the 2009 player of the year award, and no such award exists called Jan 2008- May 2009 best player award. Therefore, there is something extra presitigious to be considered the player who completely dominated a calendar season by winning all the slams.
 

Lionheart392

Professional
If you won 6 slams in a row, wouldn't you do the calendar slam by default?

Nope, back then the French Open was the first grand slam of the year and the Australian was the last.
So Navratilova won the last 3 grand slams in 1983, namely Wimbledon, the US Open and the Australian Open, and then the first 3 of 1984, the French Open, Wimbledon, and the US Open, but didn't manage to win all 4 in the same year.
In some ways I think 6 in a row is more impressive because you have to sustain your momentum during the off-season and come back to the tour just as strong as before and keep winning the slams. Not as easy as it sounds.
At the same time, the calendar slam is a much more recognisable feat and someone like Graf would've felt immense pressure going into the 1988 US Open because by then everyone was talking about it. On the other hand, Navratilova wasn't able to do it. 6 in a row doesn't have an official name, it's just a number, an extremely impressive stat but that is all, Navratilova could win them all without feeling the pressure of 'I MUST win the next one because that will mean....'.
Hmmm I'm gonna vote for equally.
 

britbox

Rookie
Nope, back then the French Open was the first grand slam of the year and the Australian was the last.
So Navratilova won the last 3 grand slams in 1983, namely Wimbledon, the US Open and the Australian Open, and then the first 3 of 1984, the French Open, Wimbledon, and the US Open, but didn't manage to win all 4 in the same year.
In some ways I think 6 in a row is more impressive because you have to sustain your momentum during the off-season and come back to the tour just as strong as before and keep winning the slams. Not as easy as it sounds.
At the same time, the calendar slam is a much more recognisable feat and someone like Graf would've felt immense pressure going into the 1988 US Open because by then everyone was talking about it. On the other hand, Navratilova wasn't able to do it. 6 in a row doesn't have an official name, it's just a number, an extremely impressive stat but that is all, Navratilova could win them all without feeling the pressure of 'I MUST win the next one because that will mean....'.
Hmmm I'm gonna vote for equally.

Yes, you're right, i was trying to figure out the maths. 6 in a row is more impressive to me, although the calendar slam is obviously of historical importance.
 

ohlori

Rookie
I don't agree with the idea that a calendar year slam is "arbitrary" and therefore 6 slams in a row is more impressive.

Obviously both feats are extremely impressive. However, because of the prestige factor, trying to win the 4th leg of a calendar slam (the USO in recent years) is I would argue probably the most stressful and therefore most impressive feat in tennis because of its historic implications. Organizing and ranking bodies (i.e. ITF, ATP, WTA) attach an importance to the player who is ranked #1 at the end of the year & there is a reason that an award exists called the 2009 player of the year award, and no such award exists called Jan 2008- May 2009 best player award. Therefore, there is something extra presitigious to be considered the player who completely dominated a calendar season by winning all the slams.

Tennis is a mental game too for a big part and trying to win the Grand Slam brings extra pressure, so winning it means you really are the complete tennis player :)

BTW - winning 6 in a row on the men's tour is more physically demanding than on the women's tour.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Organizing and ranking bodies (i.e. ITF, ATP, WTA) attach an importance to the player who is ranked #1 at the end of the year & there is a reason that an award exists called the 2009 player of the year award, and no such award exists called Jan 2008- May 2009 best player award.

The ITF gave Martina a bonus when she won her 4th straight major at the '84 FO & said it was the equivalent to a Calendar Slam.

Whether or not posters here agree with that, its a bit unfair not to recognize the fact that the definition of a 'Grand Slam' was changed by an organzing body for a while in the 80s. Even commentaors said this in their commentary at the time ("so & so has a chance for the Grand Slam, he won 2 non calendar majors in a row")

Ask Martina. I think, she would be glad, if it were a true Grand Slam.

Considering what the ITF said in '84, I think Martina believes she won a true Grand Slam. She said that she did when Graf was en route to her Slam in '88.

Don't blame Martina for respecting the word of the ITF more than that of Bud Collins.

Its sort of like some of these baseball records, didn't Marris get an * next to his home run record because it was done in a longer season than Babe Ruth? Eventually MLB took that away & said that HR records were the same in longer seasons compared to shorter seasons.

Nope, back then the French Open was the first grand slam of the year and the Australian was the last.

The order of the slams is irrelevant. Fed can win the next 4 majors, making it 6 in a row, but if he doesn't win the last major in 2010, he has no Calendar GS.
 
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Lionheart392

Professional
The ITF gave Martina a bonus when she won her 4th straight major at the '84 FO & said it was the equivalent to a Calendar Slam.

Whether or not posters here agree with that, its a bit unfair not to recognize the fact that the definition of a 'Grand Slam' was changed by an organzing body for a while in the 80s. Even commentaors said this in their commentary at the time ("so & so has a chance for the Grand Slam, he won 2 non calendar majors in a row")



Considering what the ITF said in '84, I think Martina believes she won a true Grand Slam. She said that she did when Graf was en route to her Slam in '88.

Don't blame Martina for respecting the word of the ITF more than that of Bud Collins.

Its sort of like some of these baseball records, didn't Marris get an * next to his home run record because it was done in a longer season than Babe Ruth? Eventually MLB took that away & said that HR records were the same in longer seasons compared to shorter seasons.



The order of the slams is irrelevant. Fed can win the next 4 majors, making it 6 in a row, but if he doesn't win the last major in 2010, he has no Calendar GS.

Ja I know, I wasn't saying the order of slams means anything, just explaining how she didn't win the calendar year slam and listing which she did win.
 

urban

Legend
To the controversy in 1984, i refer to the book 'Tennis confidential' by Paul Fein (p.218-224), who publishes here an article 'Grand Slam or Grand Sham' originally written in spring 1984, before Martina won her 'Martina Slam' at RG in 1984 (she had lost her only major match at RG in 1983). Fein describes in detail the controversy, generated by the MITC (Mens International Tennis Council), for most part consisting of British writers, who tried to modificate the 45 year long tradition of the Grand Slam. The US tennis writers Association protested heavily against that change. Fein publishes in the whole letters by Allison Danzig, the man, who invented the term Grand Slam in 1933, and David Gray, the then General Secretary of the ITF.

Danzig writes (April 1984): "I am entirely in accord with you in standing for the concept of a Grand Slam requiring that the four major championships be won in the same calendar year." Gray writes on request by Philipp Chatrier the president of the ITF (4 Jan. 1983): "The ITF's only initiative in this matter, has been the organisation of the offer of a bonus of 1m$ to any player who holds all four GS titles simultaneously... In spite of all that we have read on this matter, it has never been my Committee or Management's intention to alter the basis of the classic Grand Slam, i.e. the capture of all four titles in a year."
So the ITF never officially altered the concept of the Grand Slam.The motif behind the bonus offer was Chatrier's attempt to lure all the stars back to the major tournaments, in control by the ITF. When Martina won the bonus, it was quickly retracted for the coming years.
 
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Benhur

Hall of Fame
The ITF gave Martina a bonus when she won her 4th straight major at the '84 FO & said it was the equivalent to a Calendar Slam.

Whether or not posters here agree with that, its a bit unfair not to recognize the fact that the definition of a 'Grand Slam' was changed by an organzing body for a while in the 80s. Even commentaors said this in their commentary at the time ("so & so has a chance for the Grand Slam, he won 2 non calendar majors in a row")

Of course "Calendar Slam" is by definition what it implies. Whether it was always just another word for "Grand Slam" is by no means clear. If it had been, then there would have been no need to come up with the term "Calendar Slam" (I wonder when it was used for the first time). And yes, it is true that before Martina completed her Non-Calendar Slam by winning 4 in a row, there was common talk that a Grand Slam involved 4 majors in a row. It was once she achieved 4 in a row that the latter interpretation was dismissed, not without some controversy.

Regardless of the above, I think that 6 majors in a row are clearly a superior achievement (in the sense of being more difficult to achieve) than a Calendar Slam - no matter how high the pressure on winning the last major of the year.
 
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