I bought one ... and I now enjoy using it only about 4 times a year.
My experience was this. Once I got it ... I used it heavy for about 6 weeks. I was using it purposefully and had developed a practice routine to work on specific shots. This was during the late winter / early spring when I wanted to get ready for outdoor league play but the weather was not nice enough to get reliable hitting partners outside. Once the weather turns nice enough I never use it.
Now, that I can afford more indoor court time and / or have many people that will drill with me, it is more of a hassle than a benefit. If you lived close enough enough I would sell you mine real cheap.
Also, make sure you ask yourself the question: where will I use the ball machine? Is there a badly maintained, seldom used court somewhere nearby?
You can't really use a ball machine on a high traffic public court, so make sure you have somewhere in mind before shelling out for one. (or determine that you're willing to get up at 6am to hit the courts while they're empty)
For $1000 you could have 25 private lessons with a coach @ $40/hr. Find a competent coach and that will change your game a hell of a lot more and sooner then lugging around a ball machine and having no input on how you're hitting the ball.
i already had around 1500$ worth of lessons with my coach..
still i KNOW what stuff is still not fixed even after all those lessons.
it's just takes a lot more time and practice i'm afraid.
i can't afford weekly lessons anymore, so investing in a machine could keep me calm to fine-tune all those adjustments... well, i hope!
Do the math...
$900 - Ball Machine
$100 - Balls
For $1000 you could have 25 private lessons with a coach @ $40/hr. Find a competent coach and that will change your game a hell of a lot more and sooner then lugging around a ball machine and having no input on how you're hitting the ball.
Do the math...
$900 - Ball Machine
$100 - Balls
For $1000 you could have 25 private lessons with a coach @ $40/hr. Find a competent coach and that will change your game a hell of a lot more and sooner then lugging around a ball machine and having no input on how you're hitting the ball.
Exactly. This alone will advance your game to the point you should have no problem finding good drilling partners.
Unless you know your strokes are already very sound, a ball machine may just reinforce some bad habits.
25 hours of private lessons will probably fix a couple of glitches here and there
I agree, but there's also no substitute for practicing long hours.I agree, there is no substitute for good instruction.
i'm in the same boat on getting one.
I completely agree with magmaster on budget considerations,
And also on difficulty finding a consistsnt drill partner.
My only downsides are portability.
Btw- can someone advise me on the best budget option?
My choice now is SP lite (tweaking a cheap remote as told in another thread).
Also- What do i do about balls? What's my best budget option?
Thanks.
I have the older version of the SP lite. I think it is a great machine. It would be nice to have a remote - but I just turn it on and run!
I've found Steve at Silent Partner to be great with customer support.
Don't scrimp on the balls. I can see on the Health & Fitness section you have a recent problem with pain between the shoulder blades. Don't get another problem from hitting hard pressureless tennis balls.
If you check on the "Other Equipment" site, you will see that almost everyone recommends the Tretorn Micro-X tennis balls.
"Unlike traditional balls, the Tretorn balls have 700 million balloon-like microcells inside them that don't leak. They keep their pressure much longer than traditional gas pressured tennis balls. We found these balls to play very similar to regular heavy duty tennis balls."
-http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Tretorn_Micro-X_Pressureless_Tennis_Balls_x72/descpage-TRETPRESS.html
One area that too few practice is running to hit difficult volleys and half volleys. With a ball machine you can actually work on running to get those wide volleys and ones that are topspinning down after just clearing the net. You can work putting balls away to all four quadrants on the court without a hitting partner getting bored or mad at you. Also, it's an activity that is pretty gentle on the arm.
Hey - I am outside of Washington DC, and may be interested in buying your machine. Send me a PM, if interested, since sales are not allowed on the boards.I bought one ... and I now enjoy using it only about 4 times a year.
My experience was this. Once I got it ... I used it heavy for about 6 weeks. I was using it purposefully and had developed a practice routine to work on specific shots. This was during the late winter / early spring when I wanted to get ready for outdoor league play but the weather was not nice enough to get reliable hitting partners outside. Once the weather turns nice enough I never use it.
Now, that I can afford more indoor court time and / or have many people that will drill with me, it is more of a hassle than a benefit. If you lived close enough enough I would sell you mine real cheap.
What I want to do is find and imitate better forehand and backhand stroking techniques. Most important I want to take high speed video of my strokes so that I don't practice the wrong technique. High speed video is the best on-the-spot feedback technique if you can see what the video shows. Video some forehands and look at the strokes, etc. The ball machine with remote seems ideal for doing high speed video most efficiently.
Later, I can practice with machine oscillation and heavier pace so that I could use the new strokes in my matches. I'd like to minimize that type of practice as playing is enough tennis for me.
are you gonna by pressureless balls?
hello again and thanks.
yea i also found the Tretorn x as the best option.
but you also say pressureless are harder on the arm and back, so it's a kind of catch 22, no? or are the Tretorn relatively softer?
anyway, it will be some time from now before i'll actually get a machine so i hope to get back stronger.
can you also please summon up your pros/cons with the SP Lite? (besides the remote)
I'm with you. The ball machine is always ready for a workout. And a great tool when used properly. I do question his $900 - there are plenty of decent ones for much less. The one negative is I haven't seen a machine that will emulate really heavy topspin - so if you play at an advanced level you're not going to be ready for 'live fire' from just hitting with the machine.I think a ball machine would be great, because there is no partner hitting has the consistent of the machine.
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With machine on top of a cart, still not perfect replica to practice returns.
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The one negative is I haven't seen a machine that will emulate really heavy topspin - so if you play at an advanced level you're not going to be ready for 'live fire' from just hitting with the machine.
OP, i LOVE! my ball machine. I purchased my Silent Partner Lite back in Dec of 08' and still use it til today. I am on my 3rd battery with it and have certainly gotten my $450 worth out of it. The only thing you want to be certain you do is not groove bad technique. Its best to pay $70/hour with a coach to go over technique and then pull out the ball machine to groove that technique over and over again. Also, there many times I could not find a hitting partner and my trusty bm was there waiting everytime. Plus it is ready morning, noon or nite and I don't have to sign it out or worry about getting it back to some rental place on time.
Here is a video of me grooving my backhand. Because of my bm I can honestly say that my 1hbh is more dangerous than forehand. Opponents familiar with my game wont even charge the net behind hitting to my backhand. 80% of the time they will get passed or dipped. The racquet from my backhand side feels more like a scapel than a racquet and I really attribute it to countless of hours of hitting against my ball machine.
I once paid for a good 8+ hours of coaching from a prominent coach. He asked me, "what wing do you think is your strongest?" I told him, "my backhand". He nodded and and smiled because we both knew why he never spent much time on my 1hbh except for its footwork. I pretty much learned from these boards and FYB how to properly hit the 1hbh and drilled it for hours on my ball machine. What is funny is that I find myself stepping around my forehand to hit my 1hbh on serve returns! That is the sort of confidence I have with this stroke.
All from stroking that ball machine. I am not saying that my forehand aint a weapon. I hit with tremendous spin and power from it but the 1hbh give me all of that PLUS the touch. The 1hbh is the most beautiful song played with a racquet layered with so much poetic dimension. Drop, Slice, Chip, Short Angle Spin, Deep CC Spin, continental grip change for the half volley pickup while moving to net....on and on and on it is poetry in motion. I've drilled all of these shots with the ball machine. Now I decide what I want to do to my opponent when they hit to my backhand especially against the younger players who LOVE pace. I start mixing it up from the backhand wing by giving them 1 dose of hard pace, 2 doses of slice and then a short chip to see what they do with it. 9 times out of 10 their backhands are so under-developed they don't know how to reply other than lift a short ball to my forehand. All of this from drilling my bm.
sorry for the soliloquy....i got caught up. after being away from the sport for 8 months resting my shoulder, being back feels so good. God bless you my friend.
By that do you mean the the height of the shot starts out very low?
All of the machines I guess use a form of gravity ball feed from the hopper which places the shooting mechanism pretty low. The ball firing height in my new SP Lite-R is about 12". The ball will shoot from a considerably lower height than the average stroke height.
Very impressed with the design and workmanship of the ball machine.
IMO, a ball machine has some excellent benefits, but, it doesn't substitute for a drilling partner. However, rallying without purpose is not an effective way to practice.
Tennis is primarily a cross-court game. The most effective use of your time is hitting cross-court drills on both sides from the baseline, AND with one player at net. There are many variations to this drill. On clay, I like to make a line with my foot down the middle from the service line to the baseline and play points cross court. Whatever you do, the point of the drill is tp groove in your technique, footwork, shot preparation, set up, by keeping the ball in play FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. It is not to go for winners. You can make exceptions on short balls where you make contact well in front of the baseline. Then, it's ok to go for a winner into the open court because that is the high percentage opportunity to do so. If you have any time and energy after that, then you can hit some dtl drills.
Having said that, remember that the 2 most important shots in tennis are the serve and the return. IMO, you should spend as much time on these two aspects of your game as you do on the rest of your game, combined. This is how matches are won.
I bought a tray cart like this from Sears; Harbor Freight and other sites have similar models.
Having the ball machine at a higher level means you don't have to move it so far off the court as you increase the ball speed to near maximal. Just also crank up the topspin.
I find the ball coming from this height as a more realistic mimic of ground strokes for practicing ground strokes, volleys and serve returns.
Is tennis primarily a cross-court game just because the net is like 0.5ft higher down the line as opposed to the middle, so you're more likely to hit the net? If so, why don't heavy topspin players like Nadal with massive topspin and net clearance just go down the line all the time?