Would a major in South America work ?

[kevaninho]

Or even a Masters / WTF ?

We all seen how crazy those fans were for tennis, when Fed and Zed were over. Shouldn't the sport be about the fans? I mean, I bet the players would love to be playing a final infront of 40,000+ spectators . What an atmosphere it must be.

I understand that the ATP barely change anything in the calendar, but this must surely be an eye opener, even if they think purely in terms of the cash coming in.

South Americans have always been the most passionate sports fans IMO, there should be a big tournament for them.

Anyone?

 

[Spencer Gore]

Moving a revamped WTF to South America would be a great idea. Spread the tennis love.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

The only new Major, if it ever happens (unlikely), could be only in China. Whether it "will work" elsewhere is irrelevant, as it isn't happening.

South America certainly has the population and interest for something like that, but the situation in so many aspects is so volatile that no one would risk even trying something like that.

 

[tennisaddict]

If Brazil can stage Olympics they can stage a major .

One fast grass court would be totally cool but an ultra fast HC would be just as good

 

[thrust]

Moving a revamped WTF to South America would be a great idea. Spread the tennis love.

Or give them a Masters or two? The slams are too entrenched in tennis history, all are well attended so there is not reason to move one. Having 5 slams would not be fair to players of today or of the past, as slam count seems to be the main criteria in determining a players greatness.

 

[Sport]

If Brazil can stage Olympics they can stage a major .

One fast grass court would be totally cool but an ultra fast HC would be just as good

In South America (including Brazil) the tradition is to play on clay. So it would make more sense to add a Masters 1000 on clay than on grass or "ultra fast HC".

 

[Sport]

I am against the idea of creating more Grand Slam events.

It would kill the generational comparisons and the GOAT debate.

 

[junior74]

Ah, more clay for real men!

 

[NatF]

The Rio Olympic's tennis event was a disaster, so not feeling it.

 

[blablavla]

Or even a Masters / WTF ?

We all seen how crazy those fans were for tennis, when Fed and Zed were over. Shouldn't the sport be about the fans? I mean, I bet the players would love to be playing a final infront of 40,000+ spectators . What an atmosphere it must be.

I understand that the ATP barely change anything in the calendar, but this must surely be an eye opener, even if they think purely in terms of the cash coming in.

South Americans have always been the most passionate sports fans IMO, there should be a big tournament for them.

Anyone?

there is a bunch of Challengers there.
there is the poorly timed South America clay swing: Brazil, Argentina. Some of the top clay players go there regularly.

There are 2 ATP level tournaments in Mexico.

yet with all this, Vina del Mar in Chile wasn't commercially successful.
Brazil tournament asked for the surface change, otherwise they will stop the tournament.

Perhaps there is a difference between an exho with Federer that might retire any time, and investing year after year in major tennis tournaments.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Major tournament like a M1000 or moving WTF, absolutely...
Moving or creating a grand slam... Absolutely not...not in a million years

 

[ibbi]

For sure. You see the Argentines at the US Open every year, and the Rio Olympics had some craaaaaazy atmospheres. I don't know about a slam, but one of the 1000s should absolutely be down there. I feel like Miami, Monte Carlo or Paris make the most sense. The fact that all they have is that relatively meaningless little period post-Australia is pretty sad.

 

[blablavla]

For sure. You see the Argentines at the US Open every year, and the Rio Olympics had some craaaaaazy atmospheres. I don't know about a slam, but one of the 1000s should absolutely be down there. I feel like Miami, Monte Carlo or Paris make the most sense. The fact that all they have is that relatively meaningless little period post-Australia is pretty sad.

Moving anything significant to South America will require complete overview of ATP calendar.

If we talk about clay period.
There is 4-8 hour difference in time zone vs Europe. I doubt many pros will happily play there before RG.
Beyond timezone, the weather is quite different.

For summer swing, could be somewhat easier, though still not easy.
On one side, the timezone is similar to US.
And there are plenty of HC courts in South America, so could be part of preparation for USO.
But we again talk about significantly different weather.

 

[blablavla]

For sure. You see the Argentines at the US Open every year, and the Rio Olympics had some craaaaaazy atmospheres. I don't know about a slam, but one of the 1000s should absolutely be down there. I feel like Miami, Monte Carlo or Paris make the most sense. The fact that all they have is that relatively meaningless little period post-Australia is pretty sad.

1. Argentina is not entire South America

2. There are much more reasons than lack of tournaments in Argentina for this.
- USO time is the period of holidays in Argentina
- considering how crazy expensive many things are in Argentina, those who have money to afford a travel to USO, either way do their shopping abroad. So very likely it's a combination of spending the holiday + doing shopping with more variety and smaller prices + attending the USO, which is a significant event to attract many affluent visitors no matter what

 

[mental midget]

The only new Major, if it ever happens (unlikely), could be only in China. Whether it "will work" elsewhere is irrelevant, as it isn't happening.

South America certainly has the population and interest for something like that, but the situation in so many aspects is so volatile that no one would risk even trying something like that.

nailed it. no small thing 'adding a major.' but china would be the place no question.

 

[guitarra]

The thing is there isn't even a masters in SA now and the whole calendar is scheduled to suit Europe and US with Australia at the start of it.

I think it's a good idea to start with an ATP 1000 HC masters event in March (after SA swing) instead of either IW or Miami but for that to happen they'd have to play Buenos Aires and Rio on HC too.

A slam at this stage would require a completely new full year calendar so from that perspective it's not makable.

 

[Italian Stallion]

There are too many distractions in South America: pinatas, cartels, carnivals, beaches and beautiful women.

How can The Fog expect to add to his illustrious trophy collection in that sort of tempting environment?

As for Kyrgios, he'll go there, be declared missing, and be found 50 years later buried waist-deep in sand, wearing a bikini, singing Rio by Duran Duran, whilst swilling from a bottle of tequila with 'GOAT' tattooed on his forehead.

No, no, let's keep to Britain and Wimbledon; where 'fun' is a game of scrabble, a re-run of a classic episode of Eastenders, and an autograph signing with Tim Henman's second cousin.

 

[GabeT]

I am against the idea of creating more Grand Slam events.

It would kill the generational comparisons and the GOAT debate.

Too late for that. Generational comparisons are already impossible since maximizing the slam count is a relatively new phenomenon

 

[Rosstour]

IMO, tennis is a Franco-Anglo sport.

We only have Slams in countries where French or English is the common/official language.

So...the best location for a 5th Slam would be Canada.

 

[Robert Baratheon]

nailed it. no small thing 'adding a major.' but china would be the place no question.

@helixx

 

[ChaelAZ]

I could see Argentina as a destination, but more so Canada for population and such.

Artic indoor event anyone?

 

[blablavla]

I could see Argentina as a destination, but more so Canada for population and such.

Artic indoor event anyone?

with a record amount of spectators? like 60k penguins under one roof?

 

[Sport]

Too late for that. Generational comparisons are already impossible since maximizing the slam count is a relatively new phenomenon

Not new. Laver and Rosewall won as many Grand Slams as they could (when they were not banned from participaing in Grand Slams). When they were banned, the played the Pro Slams, which are also considered to be Majors.

 

[King No1e]

Or even a Masters / WTF ?

We all seen how crazy those fans were for tennis, when Fed and Zed were over. Shouldn't the sport be about the fans? I mean, I bet the players would love to be playing a final infront of 40,000+ spectators . What an atmosphere it must be.

I understand that the ATP barely change anything in the calendar, but this must surely be an eye opener, even if they think purely in terms of the cash coming in.

South Americans have always been the most passionate sports fans IMO, there should be a big tournament for them.

Anyone?

Not a major, but I could get behind replacing the Paris masters with an early-season South American masters.

 

[youngpolyhater]

Replace Monte Carlo (the least important Masters 1000) with something in SA maybe a carpet tournament in February or some indoor Hardcourt.There's lots of indoor tournaments in February so it won't be a problem

 

[blablavla]

Replace Monte Carlo (the least important Masters 1000) with something in SA maybe a carpet tournament in February or some indoor Hardcourt.There's lots of indoor tournaments in February so it won't be a problem

how do you see the MC replaced with a tournament in Feb?

1. Indoor carpet was dismissed from ATP.
To bring it back, a whole swing of tournaments would be needed.
No pro would like to transition HC swing -> 1 tournament on carpet -> HC swing again
Even the South America clay is a swing of tournaments, and you see pretty much same names travelling from 1 tournament to another

2. What about travelling distances and time zone differences?
do you really think that pros would travel for 1 tournament, not a swing?
can you imagine what kind of prize money would be needed?

3. San Paolo tournament, in Feb, asked for change of surface and ATP refused, reason for which the tournament might cease its existence.
What makes you believe ATP will make an exception for a tournament that doesn't even exist yet

 

[r2473]

It would work if Federer played every match.

 

[Crisstti]

No, because it would ruin all the stats. Unless you're talking about moving a current major lol.

I'm afraid also no because of this:

Now, if people come back to their senses here somehow, I think a big SA tournament is long due.

To suggest it to be on hc is absurd, as the traditional surface here is clay.
To accomodate a big clay tournament in the calendar, considering time differences, wouldn't be eaasy. IMO the best options would be:
- One masters during the SA clay swing, in place of Miami or Paris. The coming major being on hard though makes this difficult.
- One masters in place of Miami at the same time in the calendar. This option makes the most sense imo, players would be coming from the USA which has a similar timezone, and it would simply begin a little earlier the clay season.
- Move the WTF around and bring it here. Which also makes a lot of sense (it's absurd it's held in a places which already have big tournaments). But if on clay it would come after a hc swing.

 

[Robert Baratheon]

I'm afraid also no because of this:

Players will adjust to this turf soon enough.

 

[blablavla]

Players will adjust to this turf soon enough.

by training to hit the target (ball) with an AK47 instead of modern stiff frames strung with poly?
will it be a special modification available to pros only? an AK47 with lead on it and more flexible?

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

nailed it. no small thing 'adding a major.' but china would be the place no question.

Yeah nothing beats the Chinese atmosphere in Shanghai and Beijing Lots of people showing up and Tennis is a great sport in China.
ehhhh no

 

[Robert Baratheon]

by training to hit the target (ball) with an AK47 instead of modern stiff frames strung with poly?

@youngpolyhater would like that

 

[GabeT]

Not new. Laver and Rosewall won as many Grand Slams as they could (when they were not banned from participaing in Grand Slams). When they were banned, the played the Pro Slams, which are also considered to be Majors.

That’s a completely different era, hardly comparable to today. But Borg and others in his time hardly sought to maximize slams and many skipped the AO for a while. Adf to that changes in surfaces and technology and cross generational comparisons are impossible.

 

[youngpolyhater]

@youngpolyhater would like that

 

[BlueB]

Move Miami to South America, Monte Carlo to Czech or Serbia, Paris to Russia but switch timing with Shanghai, WTF to Japan.

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[World Beater]

as much as i like the US Masters Series events, i do think there are several cities in SA that could put on a much bigger event.

after W, the there could be two masters - (maybe one in ARG and one in BRA), then head to USOPEN in NYC.

it only makes sense if it financially could go grow the game though.

 

[Max G.]

It would kill the generational comparisons and the GOAT debate.

The generational comparisons and GOAT debate have always been dead.

 

[aditya123]

Not a major, but I could get behind replacing the Paris masters with an early-season South American masters.

Pretty Perfect and Miami should be replaced by Mexico in my honest opinion