Would Federer Win Milan 2019?

[Meles]

Hypothetical Milan where instead of Mikael Ymer, Stefanos Tsitsipas plays again; would Roger Federer win his way through?

For those unfamiliar Milan has similar format to world tour finals except no days off between matches and best of five set scoring with lots of pressure points, example in a 0-40 hole, you must win 4 straight points to hold under no ad scoring.

Spoiler: For Those Voting in the Years to Come

Federer may play last year's finalists in Basel this weekend, Tsitsipas and De Minaur.

 

[Meles]

I say nope.

 

[Lleytonstation]

He already did.

 

[NatF]

Milan is still a thing?

 

[Standaa]

Irrelevant, therefore unprovable, therefore untestable.

 

[Third Serve]

Irrelevant, therefore unprovable, therefore untestable.

Therefore unprovable, irrelevant, therefore therefore, untestable.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Therefore unprovable, irrelevant, therefore therefore, untestable.

World tour Tennis on Xbox has it, so it is testable, therefore relevant, and therefore provable.

 

[Third Serve]

World tour Tennis on Xbox has it, so it is testable, therefore relevant, and therefore provable.

@Sport, we've cracked the code!

 

[Meles]

Irrelevant, therefore unprovable, therefore untestable.

Ah but Federe may be doing the very end of the gauntlet this weekend.

 

[Meles]

Therefore unprovable, irrelevant, therefore therefore, untestable.

 

[Meles]

Milan is still a thing?

Yes. Coming to Milan, Fashionistas instead of Federistas

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Irrelevant, therefore unprovable, therefore untestable.

@Sport is happy with you

 

[ChrisRF]

World tour Tennis on Xbox has it, so it is testable, therefore relevant, and therefore provable.

But can you make Federer a "Next Gen" player there?

 

[Lleytonstation]

But can you make Federer a "Next Gen" player there?

Create a player setting?

 

[ChrisRF]

Create a player setting?

By the way, is the full ATP tour playable in this game, including all tournaments and at least 128 players with full draws? And is the game kind of realistic?

Because the only tennis game I was ever satisfied with in that categories is Tennis Elbow. I guess it is still very difficult to produce tennis games with realistic shots, as a real player would hit them. I remember many games where players were flying to balls like Boris Becker all the time (and at the baseline).

 

[Lleytonstation]

By the way, is the full ATP tour playable in this game, including all tournaments and at least 128 players with full draws? And is the game kind of realistic?

Because the only tennis game I was ever satisfied with in that categories is Tennis Elbow. I guess it is still very difficult to produce tennis games with realistic shots, as a real player would hit them. I remember many games where players were flying to balls like Boris Becker all the time (and at the baseline).

Top Spin 4 is the best tennis game in my opinion. But the new one actually sucks.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I've had good times with both of them. There is no doubt that Tennis Elbow is the more challenging game. Winning on one player does feel rewarding compared to the joke computer level of Top Spin 4. But still, here we are over 8 years later, and we're still playing Top Spin 4 online on a broken patch. The new games are all rubbish.

Might try to get involved with the Tennis Elbow community when the new game is fully up and running.

 

[Meles]

Well Fantasy about to become reality? Fed to win Basel must now beat last year's Milan finalists. Both Tsitsipas and De Minaur are Milan eligible this year so Fed with two wins gets Basel title and is the moral victor Milan 2019.

Of course major egg on the face of any fraudulent detractors of Milan if he doesn't.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Irrelevant, therefore unprovable, therefore untestable.

Unirresitable, therefore Unremarkable, therefore Gregory Dimitrov.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

I've had good times with both of them. There is no doubt that Tennis Elbow is the more challenging game. Winning on one player does feel rewarding compared to the joke computer level of Top Spin 4. But still, here we are over 8 years later, and we're still playing Top Spin 4 online on a broken patch. The new games are all rubbish.

Might try to get involved with the Tennis Elbow community when the new game is fully up and running.

There's always Dream Match Tennis (@-NN- )

 

[GabeT]

Fedr

 

[ghostofMecir]

Well Fantasy about to become reality? Fed to win Basel must now beat last year's Milan finalists. Both Tsitsipas and De Minaur are Milan eligible this year so Fed with two wins gets Basel title and is the moral victor Milan 2019.

Of course major egg on the face of any fraudulent detractors of Milan if he doesn't.

Your analysis of 100 year old Federer making Tsitsipas look like a challenger player today?

 

[GabeT]

Your analysis of 100 year old Federer making Tsitsipas look like a challenger player today?

Fed is young at heart.

Fairy tales can come true...

 

[Mainad]

He already won Milan 18 years ago. It was his first ever title!

 

[Meles]

He already won Milan 18 years ago. It was his first ever title!

 

[kishnabe]

I've had good times with both of them. There is no doubt that Tennis Elbow is the more challenging game. Winning on one player does feel rewarding compared to the joke computer level of Top Spin 4. But still, here we are over 8 years later, and we're still playing Top Spin 4 online on a broken patch. The new games are all rubbish.

Might try to get involved with the Tennis Elbow community when the new game is fully up and running.

Spent 1200 hours on TE 2013 with ITST patch. Top Spin 4 is just prettier to look at.

Tennis Elbow 4 is around the corner. Devs planning to bring it to Console...looking forward to the good stuff instead of TWT and AO Tennis.

Full Ace Tennis is pretty good as well.
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AO Tennis...has gotten better with patches where you can alter some aspects to suit preference.

Tennis World Tour meh, deserves the flack it gets. It not that bad offline wise, online is just terrible. No Doubles either. Still prefer it visually over AO Tennis.

 

[NatF]

@Meles ?

 

[UnderratedSlam]

I prefer the age-old question, how many slams less would RF have had he been born in 1988...

 

[ForehandRF]

I prefer the age-old question, how many slams less would RF have had he been born in 1988...

That's valid for Djokodal also had they been born in 1981 and Fed in 1988.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

That's valid for Djokodal also had they been born in 1981 and Fed in 1988.

Nope, Novak and Rafa being born in 1981 comes to pretty much the same thing as RF being born 5-8 years later.

Both mean less slams for the Swiss.

 

[ForehandRF]

Nope, Novak and Rafa being born in 1981 comes to pretty much the same thing as RF being born 5-8 years later.

Both mean less slams for the Swiss.

No, Fed would be advantaged, being younger, and maybe would win a couple of FO once Nadal would deal with decline due to being older.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

No, Fed would be advantaged, being younger, and maybe would win a couple of FO once Nadal would deal with decline due to being older.

Which Nadal are you talking about?

I am talking about Rafael Nadal, the clay GOAT.

 

[ForehandRF]

Which Nadal are you talking about?

I am talking about Rafael Nadal, the clay GOAT.

The clay GOAT yeah, but believe me that a 33-34 years old Nadal would have to deal with a 26-27 year old Fed and he would be disadvantaged from the physical perspective.Rafa would of course beat Fed once he is still young, in his best years, due to being a superiour clay player, but after that, maybe not.I think Fed would score a win or two against "old" Rafa.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

The clay GOAT yeah, but believe me that a 33-34 years old Nadal would have to deal with a 26-27 year old Fed and he would be disadvantaged from the physical perspective.Rafa would of course beat Fed once he is still young, in his best years, due to being a superiour clay player, but after that, maybe not.I think Fed would score a win or two against "old" Rafa.

I was talking about them being the same age, regardless of whether 1980/81 gen or 86/87 gen.

But since you mention it...

If RF were much younger, he would have his confidence crushed early on in his career by Novak and Rafa, hence he might have had a Lendl/Murray 0-4 in slam finales kind of scenario.

The Weak Era gave RF false cobfidence, or too much. Being 5-6 years younger than Novak or Rafa would have put him in a completely different position where he'd struggle with confidence his entire career, not just at 40-15 aged 38...

We tennis scientists call this The Philippoussis Effect.

 

[ForehandRF]

I was talking about them being the same age, regardless of whether 1980/81 gen or 86/87 gen.

But since you mention it...

If RF were much younger, he would have his confidence crushed early on in his career by Novak and Rafa, hence he might have had a Lendl/Murray 0-4 in slam finales kind of scenario.

The Weak Era gave RF false cobfidence, or too much. Being 5-6 years younger than Novak or Rafa would have put him in a completely different position where he'd struggle with confidence his entire career, not just at 40-15 aged 38...

In that case, well, neither of them would have won as many slams and we can't say exactly who would win more based on the current situation.Maybe things would be as you said, but there is also a chance that Fed would be stronger mentally, being forced to be stronger because of the other 2.There is a chance that Djokovic would not be as motivated because he wouldn't have those years watching the Fedal duopoly and so on.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

In that case, well, neither of them would have won as many slams and we can't say exactly who would win more based on the current situation.Maybe things would be as you said, but there is also a chance that Fed would be stronger mentally, being forced to be stronger because of the other 2.There is a chance that Djokovic would not be as motivated because he wouldn't have those years watching the Fedal duopoly and so on.

You have a point about Novak's motivation.

However, he'd have Rafa to contend with, which is probably enough motivation.

Federer could not be "forced" to become stronger mentally, that kind of strength is inborn, it is not taught nor can it be acquired simply by having others around you display such strength.

 

[ForehandRF]

Now, @UnderratedSlam, this discussion is pointless at the end of the day because these are just hypotethicals so it implies too much subjectivity from both.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Now, @UnderratedSlam, this discussion is pointless at the end of the day because these are just hypotethicals so it implies too much subjectivity from both.

You mean like this ridiculous thread?

 

[ForehandRF]

You have a point about Novak's motivation.

However, he'd have Rafa to contend with, which is probably enough motivation.

Federer could not be "forced" to become stronger mentally, that kind of strength is inborn, it is not taught nor can it be acquired simply by having others around you display such strength.

They can become stronger from the mental perspective though.Fed was a mess pre 2003 and Djokovic post 2014 is stronger mentally compared to his previous version imo.He looked even a bit fragile somewhere in the 2012-2014 period and then look at him.
Rafa was always strong in big matches.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

They can become stronger from the mental perspective though.Fed was a mess pre 2003 and Djokovic post 2014 is stronger mentally compared to his previous version imo.He looked even a bit fragile somewhere in the 2012-2014 period and then look at him.
Rafa was always strong in big matches.

Rafa started at his mentally strongest as a teen, then gradually started losing confidence. Rafa 2019 compared to Rafa 2005, very different. He's still confident vs others, but not against Novak and RF, he fears them.

Novak started off strong, was cocky and full of elan, but wasn't as committed as he became in 2011, then as he started realizing just how great he is his confidence grew and he became as close to unbeatable as very few ever. 2011 defined him.

Roger is a born doubter. The Weak Era wasn't enough to propel him to a much earlier debut slam that should have come in 2001, coz Novak and Rafa won debut slams by the age of 20, despite being in the Fed Era. Several lucky slam finale situations (Philippoussis then an exhausted, tanking Safin) helped push him through the biggest hurdle for every aspiring no 1: winning those first slams. Once he did that, it was an avalanche, because he started reveling in his new-found confidence, which he never had before. Then Rafa and Novak started eroding this Weak Era confidence, Roger going back to the fetal position in a sense, reverting back to his youthful doubting, and in fact Roger's confidence has not been the same ever since.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Spent 1200 hours on TE 2013 with ITST patch. Top Spin 4 is just prettier to look at.

Tennis Elbow 4 is around the corner. Devs planning to bring it to Console...looking forward to the good stuff instead of TWT and AO Tennis.

Full Ace Tennis is pretty good as well.
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AO Tennis...has gotten better with patches where you can alter some aspects to suit preference.

Tennis World Tour meh, deserves the flack it gets. It not that bad offline wise, online is just terrible. No Doubles either. Still prefer it visually over AO Tennis.

Top Spin 4 has a few wee things I just love. Even after all these years. When a player shouts ''yeah'' after winning a tough point. I just think it sounds hilarious. Same with the ''that's good.'' Murray doing his flex celebration when the opponent hits a double fault is too funny.

Would love it if Tennis Elbow 4 made it over to the playstation 4.