MEP vs ET Players - Original TT Epic

jmnk · May 17, 2021

tlm said:
Are you sure it doesn’t show that Sean won 1 match and lost the other?

oh yes, sorry, yes indeed he is 1:1 in that league. thanks for correcting.

tlm said:
Plus why Is he playing on the 4.0 team instead of the 4.5?

clearly he is not good enough for 4.5 non-USTA league level. Isn't it what we have established already?

let me ask you this. That Troy Brinker guy, "the top singles player in our club " as you are saying, he plays at 4.5 level in that league. Do you believe/think he is no better than 4.5 USTA level?

tlm · May 17, 2021

jmnk said:
oh yes, sorry, yes indeed he is 1:1 in that league.

clearly he is not good enough for 4.5 non-USTA league level. Isn't it what we have established already?

let me ask you this. That Troy Brinker guy, "the top singles player in our club " as you are saying, he plays at 4.5 level in that league. Do you believe/think he is no better than 4.5 USTA level?

Yes but he also is clearly not good enough to play in a 4.5 USTA league. Al has improved in the last year or so to play USTA 4.5, but Sean is not near as good of a player as Al is and that is why he is a 4.0 player. I’m not sure why you and some others want to see Sean as a 4.5, it seems like because of the praise for MEP many want to make his opponents as a higher level than what they really are.

I also admire what MEP can do with his odd style, I think it’s great that a guy can do that well with slicing and dicing plus great defense and smarts. It just really surprises me that MEP has that good of a record in Atlanta at the 4.5 level. his last opponent Scott seems more like what I picture a 4.5 player should be and he beat him easily. I also know that Atlanta does have a great tennis community and that’s why it seems strange that MEP does that well there.

Deleted member 780836 · May 17, 2021

GSG said:
I know I'm biased, but I really think Scott is a 5.0, NTRP notwithstanding. On both TennisRecord and TLS, his dynamic rating is exactly 4.5. More than that, based on the way he plays, there's nothing I see that a 5.0 is capable of doing that Scott isn't capable of doing as well.

Scott is a solid 4.5, not a 5.0, doesn't matter what you or I think. It's like people arguing that you are not a 4.5, but you are a 4.5 based on results, doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Scott doesn't have the movement or weapons to beat 5.0 players, it's just that he matches up very well against your style of play. Watch some of his other matches on ET, he looks like a 4.5 player.

S&V-not_dead_yet · May 17, 2021

tlm said:
It just really surprises me that MEP has that good of a record in Atlanta at the 4.5 level. his last opponent Scott seems more like what I picture a 4.5 player should be and he beat him easily. I also know that Atlanta does have a great tennis community and that’s why it seems strange that MEP does that well there.

If you mapped out all 4.5s, Scott would be on the upper end, perhaps even the upper part of the upper end.

I've played many 4.5s and many were not nearly as good as Scott. So I think you have an upward-skewed idea of what a 4.5 is.

tlm · May 17, 2021

colabby said:
Scott is a solid 4.5, not a 5.0, doesn't matter what you or I think. It's like people arguing that you are not a 4.5, but you are a 4.5 based on results, doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Scott doesn't have the movement or weapons to beat 5.0 players, it's just that he matches up very well against your style of play. Watch some of his other matches on ET, he looks like a 4.5 player.

Exactly Scott is what I would consider a solid 4.5 level player which his record proves, but he would have a very tough time at 5.0.

S&V-not_dead_yet · May 17, 2021

tlm said:
Exactly Scott is what I would consider a solid 4.5 level player which his record proves, but he would have a very tough time at 5.0.

"Solid" to me means middle of the pack. I'm middle of the pack 4.5, based on my ~50% winning record. To my eyes, Scott is considerably better than that.

That doesn't mean that he would succeed at 5.0; that's yet another level.

tlm · May 17, 2021

S&V-not_dead_yet said:
If you mapped out all 4.5s, Scott would be on the upper end, perhaps even the upper part of the upper end.

I've played many 4.5s and many were not nearly as good as Scott. So I think you have an upward-skewed idea of what a 4.5 is.

That could be true, he played really well in this match but it’s a shame Ben wasn’t at 100%. Plus I know from experience that playing an aggressive net rusher is much tougher indoors so that was definitely to Scott’s advantage.

S&V-not_dead_yet · May 17, 2021

tlm said:
That could be true, he played really well in this match but it’s a shame Ben wasn’t at 100%. Plus I know from experience that playing an aggressive net rusher is much tougher indoors so that was definitely to Scott’s advantage.

A different test would be outdoors in the Atlanta heat, humidity, and sun where Ben is accustomed. That could play a huge role if someone only plays indoors.

I've never played indoors. I've never played on clay. If I had to transition to either after 20 years of outdoor hardcourts, it would take me a lot longer than a weekend to adjust [if I ever did].

tlm · May 17, 2021

S&V-not_dead_yet said:
A different test would be outdoors in the Atlanta heat, humidity, and sun where Ben is accustomed. That could play a huge role if someone only plays indoors.

I've never played indoors. I've never played on clay. If I had to transition to either after 20 years of outdoor hardcourts, it would take me a lot longer than a weekend to adjust [if I ever did].

The clay I could see taking some time but as long as the lighting is good it’s very east to adjust to playing indoors, but it definitely favors the aggressive player.

PilotPete · May 17, 2021

Maybe the tennis level in Atlanta is simply lower.

S&V-not_dead_yet · May 17, 2021

tlm said:
The clay I could see taking some time but as long as the lighting is good it’s very east to adjust to playing indoors, but it definitely favors the aggressive player.

Each person has varying abilities to adjust. My point was that Ben's style is geared towards slower outdoor courts and his stamina favors longer points and he can deal with the elements. Take those away and those factors in his favor disappear.

And conversely, someone who has never played outdoors might be blinded by the sun, buffeted by the wind, and suffer heat stroke in the Atlanta summer.

I think that's a valid consideration.

sureshs · May 17, 2021

How much time did GSG get between matches? He should have agreed to play only one match a day to have the same advantage as the ET team.

PS: It was 4 matches in 3 days according to Ian's "Respect" video. That is still more than his opponents. Was GSG given a free full massage in a 5 star hotel spa every evening to rejuvenate himself?

tlm · May 17, 2021

S&V-not_dead_yet said:
Each person has varying abilities to adjust. My point was that Ben's style is geared towards slower outdoor courts and his stamina favors longer points and he can deal with the elements. Take those away and those factors in his favor disappear.

And conversely, someone who has never played outdoors might be blinded by the sun, buffeted by the wind, and suffer heat stroke in the Atlanta summer.

I think that's a valid consideration.

Playing outdoors on slower courts would definitely play to Ben’s advantage no doubt about it. I play a grinder style also and do much better outside especially against aggressive net rushing players.

FiddlerDog · May 17, 2021

PilotPete said:
Maybe the tennis level in Atlanta is simply lower.

Ian made a great conjecture in one of his live streams.
In WI, there are almost no 5.0 players, so people deliberately stay at 4.5, or 5.0 just does not exist there.
In Atlanta, there are tons of players, so there is an active 5.0 depth of players.
Therefore, Wisconsin 4.5 has people that would play 5.0 in Atlanta.
Mark Sansait is a Wisconsin 4.5 and is a beast. He would mop the floor with these Atlanta 5.0's

Therefore, a real college 5.0 like below would mop the floor with a 5.0 like BossOfAtlanta (who would be a classic 4.0 in Wisconsin)
These 2 players are not even in the same universe, yet are both rated 5.0

tlm · May 17, 2021

FiddlerDog said:
Ian made a great conjecture in one of his live streams.
In WI, there are almost no 5.0 players, so people deliberately stay at 4.5, or 5.0 just does not exist there.
In Atlanta, there are tons of players, so there is an active 5.0 depth of players.
Therefore, Wisconsin 4.5 has people that would play 5.0 in Atlanta.
Mark Sansait is a Wisconsin 4.5 and is a beast. He would mop the floor with these Atlanta 5.0's

Therefore, a real college 5.0 like below would mop the floor with a 5.0 like BossOfAtlanta (who would be a classic 4.0 in Wisconsin)
These 2 players are not even in the same universe, yet are both rated 5.0

This has been my thinking all along that the levels just aren’t matching up and it seems obvious but somehow to many here I am way off base. I in no way meant to belittle MEP, Sean or anyone else’s level, I’m just going by what I consider the level of players and leagues that I have been watching for years.

GSG · May 17, 2021

FiddlerDog said:
Mark Sansait is a Wisconsin 4.5 and is a beast. He would mop the floor with these Atlanta 5.0's

Respectfully, I disagree. I think it's much more accurate to say that Mark Sansait would be highly competitive with Atlanta 5.0s, and I don't think The Man himself would disagree with me.

Who are "these Atlanta 5.0s (plural)" you are referring to? Your post cites a single high end Atlanta 4.5.

Purestriker · May 17, 2021

PilotPete said:
Maybe the tennis level in Atlanta is simply lower.

I don’t think that is the case. The ET team has already said the court needs to be refinished, it has not grit. A faster court makes it harder to play defensive. Scott’s a teaching professional. Maybe he doesn’t want to play 5.0 because there are not a lot of 5.0’s or above in the area and he wouldn’t get to play as many matches.

jmnk · May 17, 2021

tlm said:
This has been my thinking all along that the levels just aren’t matching up and it seems obvious but somehow to many here I am way off base. I in no way meant to belittle MEP, Sean or anyone else’s level, I’m just going by what I consider the level of players and leagues that I have been watching for years.

and you arrived at that conclusion based on a very broad sample of _one player_ ....

Deleted member 780836 · May 17, 2021

FiddlerDog said:
with a 5.0 like BossOfAtlanta (who would be a classic 4.0 in Wisconsin)

BossofAtlanta would easily be a mid to strong 4.5 in Wisconsin, where did you pull the 4.0 from? You go way overboard with everything.

tlm · May 17, 2021

jmnk said:
and you arrived at that conclusion based on a very broad sample of _one player_ ....

No I came to that conclusion from watching MEP, Sean and their opponents that have been shown so far. Plus the opponents that Sean has played including myself and other hitting partners of mine, so far from just one player.

jmnk · May 17, 2021

tlm said:
No I came to that conclusion from watching MEP, Sean and their opponents that have been shown so far. Plus the opponents that Sean has played including myself and other hitting partners of mine, so far from just one player.

so yes. A sample of one player with verified USTA record and ranking (i.e. @GSG) playing against four players over three days that have a _combined_ verified USTA record of exactly _zero_ singles matches over last 5 years. That is some seriously solid data sample for the purpose of comparing levels in different regions.

tlm · May 17, 2021

jmnk said:
so yes. A sample of one player with verified USTA record and ranking (i.e. @GSG) playing against four players over three days that have a _combined_ verified USTA record of exactly _zero_ singles matches over last 5 years. That is some seriously solid data sample for the purpose of comparing levels in different regions.

Doesn’t Scott have a USTA ranking of 4.5? I know what Sean’s ranking is and MEP has a ranking of 4.5 so that is enough data for me to make an assessment.

70sStrokes · May 17, 2021

FiddlerDog said:
The other thing to learn from MEP is how focused he is on the opponent. Most topspin hackers just try to hit the ball and ignore everything going on in the match. Half the time, they don't even know the score, let alone the opponents mental state.

I have played tennis for many years. 5.5 5.0 and now 4.5( getting old). When I played at higher levels you NEVER worried about your opponents mental state. What you cared about was ball placement and pattern set up. You did not care that a person hit the ball like Ben. So what how he hits the ball. Big deal. If you play tournaments you will come across a player like Ben. Tennis it about imposing what you do best on what someone does weakest.

sredna42 · May 18, 2021

Fairhit said:
I think if they play in GSG home courts it would be a different match, also, he had played two matches before the one with Scott in a lapse of 24 hours, Ben was obviously out of his comfort zone, adding to that, Scott played out of his mind so I don't think the results in this series are to be hold as a true measure of GSG's ability, nevertheless, if they all go to Atlanta and the conditions are better suited for Ben's style, I still think he'll lose to Scott or Ian, with Topher I think the win for Ben wold be almost certain.

Not only that, they'd all worked themselves into a psyched up state to take him on, and spent a solid week or two dissecting every vid of his to establish a gameplan etc. Its not as if they just randomly happened to encounter him in some comp. Tbh i don't think he really wanted to be there at the scott match and just wanted to go, maybe i got the wrong impression, its just the vibe i seemed to get. Maybe he was expecting some friendly vibe given their overtures, and was offput by the almost aggressive competitiveness he encountered instead.

ChrisG · May 18, 2021

sredna42 said:
Not only that, they'd all worked themselves into a psyched up state to take him on, and spent a solid week or two dissecting every vid of his to establish a gameplan etc. Its not as if they just randomly happened to encounter him in some comp. Tbh i don't think he really wanted to be there at the scott match and just wanted to go, maybe i got the wrong impression, its just the vibe i seemed to get. Maybe he was expecting some friendly vibe given their overtures, and was offput by the almost aggressive competitiveness he encountered instead.

you nailed it. Part of GSG success comes from his unique approach to the game, very surprising and destabilizing for a random opponent. ET team took the whole expriment with a very competitive mindset, and a lot of time spent analysing GSG style. Thats the most important part of todays pro athletes training : getting to know your opponent and break the code of his game.
GSG wasn't as prepared as the other guys were

travlerajm · May 18, 2021

ChrisG said:
you nailed it. Part of GSG success comes from his unique approach to the game, very surprising and destabilizing for a random opponent. ET team took the whole expriment with a very competitive mindset, and a lot of time spent analysing GSG style. Thats the most important part of todays pro athletes training : getting to know your opponent and break the code of his game.
GSG wasn't as prepared as the other guys were

It’s much simpler than that. MEP had never played on a fast slick surface before. He only knew slow gritty hardcourt. He learned to play the game with a superlight 270g Dick’s sporting goods special that worked ok in conditions where the court surface kills the momentum of the incoming ball.

But on the fast slick surface, his 270g tool that he was still using at the time didn’t have nearly enough mass against high 4.5 players, or even a high 4.0 player. Shots that would have felt comfortable to redirect with controlled depth on slow gritty court were overpowering him on the faster surface. You can say that he got surprised by that. As a result, he wasn’t able to showcase his usual high 4.5 level out there.

I’m pretty sure the matches and point patterns will look completely different in the rematch series, no matter how much time ET team prepares. I’m looking forward to seeing what happens, and I think GSG is too.

heninfan99 · May 18, 2021

Typically the worst match-up for a retriever is the net player. They take the racquet out of their hands and they can't work their way into points. If you thought the last guy was a net rusher then you'll really see one this time around.

As far as the ratings debate goes, I think the ratings are accurate BUT you have teaching pros analysing and picking apart GSG's game for months. I think ET made a four video series on just that. That's a HUGE advantage against someone without a massive weapon.

Dragy · May 18, 2021

heninfan99 said:
Typically the worst match-up for a retriever is the net player. They take the racquet out of their hands and they can't work their way into points. If you thought the last guy was a net rusher then you'll really see one this time around.

As far as the ratings debate goes, I think the ratings are accurate BUT you have teaching pros analysing and picking apart GSG's game for months. I think ET made a four video series on just that. That's a HUGE advantage against someone without a massive weapon.

Yeah we’ve got enough of “How to beat MEP for dummies”. Now we need some of “How to beat teaching pro-dummies for MEP”.

RyanRF · May 18, 2021

What the hell is wrong with you people getting worked up about Sean's rating?

Maybe he's 4.0. Maybe he's 4.5. Maybe he played less than his best vs MEP. Maybe he didn't.

He's just a guy that plays recreational tennis. Is it really worth the deep dive?

cha cha · May 18, 2021

We are 47 pages in, mate. How are you not oblivious yet? : - )

travlerajm · May 18, 2021

RyanRF said:
What the hell is wrong with you people getting worked up about Sean's rating?

Maybe he's 4.0. Maybe he's 4.5. Maybe he played less than his best vs MEP. Maybe he didn't.

He's just a guy that plays recreational tennis. Is it really worth the deep dive?

Maybe it’s not about Sean? Regional ntrp supremacy claims are a sensitive subject.

ChrisG · May 18, 2021

travlerajm said:
It’s much simpler than that. MEP had never played on a fast slick surface before. He only knew slow gritty hardcourt. He learned to play the game with a superlight 270g Dick’s sporting goods special that worked ok in conditions where the court surface kills the momentum of the incoming ball.

But on the fast slick surface, his 270g tool that he was still using at the time didn’t have nearly enough mass against high 4.5 players, or even a high 4.0 player. Shots that would have felt comfortable to redirect with controlled depth on slow gritty court were overpowering him on the faster surface. You can say that he got surprised by that. As a result, he wasn’t able to showcase his usual high 4.5 level out there.

I’m pretty sure the matches and point patterns will look completely different in the rematch series, no matter how much time ET team prepares. I’m looking forward to seeing what happens, and I think GSG is too.

Didn't recognize the black and white Prince racquet he uses. I agree on your analysis, and I'm quite interested in watching the rematch ! Overall a really great content for us tennis geeks, I think the sport needs to reconnect with his fan base and those amateur level channels like the Tennis Troll or ET are putting the right content

AnyPUG · May 18, 2021

ChrisG said:
you nailed it. Part of GSG success comes from his unique approach to the game, very surprising and destabilizing for a random opponent. ET team took the whole expriment with a very competitive mindset, and a lot of time spent analysing GSG style. Thats the most important part of todays pro athletes training : getting to know your opponent and break the code of his game.
GSG wasn't as prepared as the other guys were

While it's a rec activity for GSG, ET earns a livelihood teaching how to play tennis. They are putting their reputation(an impact to livelihood) on the line to play in public.
Even though they are on the court teaching, not competing on a regular basis, folks often confuse the ability to teach with playing skills. It's bad optics if a teaching pro looses to a rec player.
So they have to take it professionally and do what they can to preserve the 'common myth' and reputation- the ability of teaching pros to compete. imo, Ian is a world class communicator of tennis instructions for rec players, he does not really need to compete and win (but folks who actually pay expect him to compete and win??)
imo, the court surface will not make significant difference to the match outcome for Scott and Ian - they still have the ability to play at a fairly high level rec tennis and make necessary adjustments for the surface.

AnyPUG · May 18, 2021

RyanRF said:
What the hell is wrong with you people getting worked up about Sean's rating?

Maybe he's 4.0. Maybe he's 4.5. Maybe he played less than his best vs MEP. Maybe he didn't.

He's just a guy that plays recreational tennis. Is it really worth the deep dive?

I think getting "worked up" about rating makes sense if we are in the process of finding competitive opponents for a match-up. The match is already done and dusted and it was very competitive for the first two sets no matter what their prior ratings were. It's interesting how serious some folks are about making sure a dead cat is really a cat not a small dog which looks like a cat.

travlerajm · May 18, 2021

AnyPUG said:
It's interesting how serious some folks are about making sure a dead cat is really a cat not a small dog which looks like a cat.

The more tire tracks on the roadkill, the harder it is to tell what it was.

tlm · May 18, 2021

travlerajm said:
It’s much simpler than that. MEP had never played on a fast slick surface before. He only knew slow gritty hardcourt. He learned to play the game with a superlight 270g Dick’s sporting goods special that worked ok in conditions where the court surface kills the momentum of the incoming ball.

But on the fast slick surface, his 270g tool that he was still using at the time didn’t have nearly enough mass against high 4.5 players, or even a high 4.0 player. Shots that would have felt comfortable to redirect with controlled depth on slow gritty court were overpowering him on the faster surface. You can say that he got surprised by that. As a result, he wasn’t able to showcase his usual high 4.5 level out there.

I’m pretty sure the matches and point patterns will look completely different in the rematch series, no matter how much time ET team prepares. I’m looking forward to seeing what happens, and I think GSG is too.

First it’s because it’s indoors, then it’s the slick surface and now it’s the weight of his racket. Come on what’s next the lack of humidity in the air?

travlerajm · May 18, 2021

tlm said:
First it’s because it’s indoors, then it’s the slick surface and now it’s the weight of his racket. Come on what’s next the lack of humidity in the air?

Comments like this are why I look forward to seeing the rematch series.

jhick · May 18, 2021

heninfan99 said:
Typically the worst match-up for a retriever is the net player. They take the racquet out of their hands and they can't work their way into points. If you thought the last guy was a net rusher then you'll really see one this time around.

As far as the ratings debate goes, I think the ratings are accurate BUT you have teaching pros analysing and picking apart GSG's game for months. I think ET made a four video series on just that. That's a HUGE advantage against someone without a massive weapon.

I think this is generally true. I play an aggressive style inside the baseline looking to close into the net when possible, and my favorite players to play were the consistent ones where I knew they couldn't hurt me off the ground, even though they could be a bit frustrating to play at times. My least favorite opponents are flat hard hitters that can hit winners from any part of the court.

jhick · May 18, 2021

RyanRF said:
What the hell is wrong with you people getting worked up about Sean's rating?

You sound like Tom Smykowski from Office Space when he's getting interviewed by the Bobs.

sureshs · May 18, 2021

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GuyClinch · May 18, 2021

PilotPete said:
Maybe the tennis level in Atlanta is simply lower.

This. We should probably start using UTR to rate players instead of USTA system. It's probably only a quarter point off - where some of the stronger 4.5s get bumped up to 5.0 easier in Atlanta. But clearly its an issue..

We can't keep going on with this "Oh every guy that beat MEP is actually higher then he claims". It's lame and pathetic. I can admit - I was wrong about likely wrong about regional differences in NTRP - its real. They need to weight their algo such that it puts special emphasis on cross region matches. This would help normalize the regions. Clearly nationals don't do enough.. As sandbagging is to strong there..

GuyClinch · May 18, 2021

tlm said:
First it’s because it’s indoors, then it’s the slick surface and now it’s the weight of his racket. Come on what’s next the lack of humidity in the air?

It's because they all got behind MEP in the pre match handicapping, and now they can't stomach the cognitive dissonance that indicates they were wrong. I think you would be a good matchup for MEP. 4.0 top spinner vs. ATL 4.5 puncher/pusher. It should be good for an automatic .5 bump in your TT rating.

You win a set or two - and you are automatically .5 higher then you were before..

denoted · May 18, 2021

In general, I think regional differences in ntrp are inconsequential, but the point made above about areas that do not have 5.0 leagues therefore changing the level of 4.5 is true in my experience.

GuyClinch · May 18, 2021

Dragy said:
Yeah we’ve got enough of “How to beat MEP for dummies”. Now we need some of “How to beat teaching pro-dummies for MEP”.

We have that - its called learning convential tennis technique..and then using your athleticism to apply it. AKA learning how to play tennis..LOL.

How to beat a neat rusher? Hit brutal passing shots with low net clearance and good topspin and pace. Or hit sick topspin lobs.

How to beat a good player when serving? Hit big serves with good pace and big spin - hit to different locations. Follow up any weak returns with deadly angled winners.

How to beat someone who can hit textbook approach shots off of weak short balls? Don't hit them weak short balls. Instead hit great rally balls that pin them back.

There are no shortcuts - and there are reasons why modern technique has so much in common with other high level players. There is a recipe of what works and what does not. This is why ET wanted to do these series - to remind his viewers that you should probably get technical instruction from tennis pros if you want to beat other players.

esm · May 18, 2021

travlerajm said:
Comments like this are why I look forward to seeing the rematch series.

sorry, OT - since we are talking about racquet.... are you back with the UT now?

dman72 · May 18, 2021

I keep hearing people talking about fast indoor courts....the slowest hard courts in my area are indoors at the club I play at. Most of the outdoor courts are worn down by the weather and much faster because of it. I guess the ET "facility" is particularly slick from all the the talk about it, but the assumption that indoor courts are faster than outdoor courts in Atlanta is strange to me. Maybe in the first 2 years after they are resurfaced.

Slowtwitcher · May 18, 2021

Can someone please summarize the scores that are already known?

TIA

travlerajm · May 18, 2021

esm said:
sorry, OT - since we are talking about racquet.... are you back with the UT now?

Down here for the red clay where the bounce angle is tough to predict before the bounce, I seem to do better with a little larger head size (and more clay-oriented specs with less weight in the handle). I have two super light 100” headsize platform racquets with me that I’m currently messing around with in full experimental mode.

When I get back to hard courts, I’ll probably go back to smaller head size dense pattern control racquets like the UT for singles play.

tlm · May 18, 2021

GuyClinch said:
It's because they all got behind MEP in the pre match handicapping, and now they can't stomach the cognitive dissonance that indicates they were wrong. I think you would be a good matchup for MEP. 4.0 top spinner vs. ATL 4.5 puncher/pusher. It should be good for an automatic .5 bump in your TT rating.
You win a set or two - and you are automatically .5 higher then you were before..

I think your right they can’t face the fact that they were wrong about MEP. He is a very good player with a different style and I’m impressed on how successful he is with that style of play. But most solid 4.5 guys that I have watched can play like Scott did and they will take a crafty slicing player like MEP apart in short order.

Deleted member 780836 · May 18, 2021

travlerajm said:
Comments like this are why I look forward to seeing the rematch series.

Now the ET guys have a built in excuse: they are not used to playing outdoors, in the heat, slower court, travel etc. See, you can't cherry pick conditions and results, accept all the results and don't try and dismiss these recent results because it doesn't fit into your worldview. You somehow convinced yourself MEP is better than most ET players and now trying to justify MEP's losses, when MEP himself is taking the losses gracefully. Time to accept the results man.

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