MEP vs ET Players - Original TT Epic

[Fairhit]

I think if they play in GSG home courts it would be a different match, also, he had played two matches before the one with Scott in a lapse of 24 hours, Ben was obviously out of his comfort zone, adding to that, Scott played out of his mind so I don't think the results in this series are to be hold as a true measure of GSG's ability, nevertheless, if they all go to Atlanta and the conditions are better suited for Ben's style, I still think he'll lose to Scott or Ian, with Topher I think the win for Ben wold be almost certain.

 

[travlerajm]

Interesting question. Is their relative level up for debate if Berdych is likely to be double-bageled again (or close to it) ?

You mean because Berdych is retired?

 

[travlerajm]

If Ian won his match as expected, GSG will be 1-3 and GSG is a 4.5 while Sean supposedly is a 4.0 (but looks higher). Are we then to dismiss the whole adventure with "a 4.0 is likely to lose to a 4.5"? I mean, will this tell us anything new about the effectiveness of the GSG style?

I suggest you wait until the much-anticipated sequel this summer before drawing your conclusions.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Thanks. I think a players skills and level should be evaluated via examining his/her entire body of work, not just a single match or even a handful. And I believe that whether I win or lose. I'm sure I've beaten plenty of people who were not playing at their best when we played.

Of course ... you already earned respect with your results (more so from me just by being a good guy with a good attitude ... rest is just a rec hobby). That body of work would include matchups. It was pretty obvious from the couple of your match videos I watched that you would match up well against against 4.5 baseline play. My suspicion was you would run into difficulty if you ran into top 4.5 transition and net skills (don't we all), and Scott is the first one I've watched you play against with that level of skills. I have been wondering from the start what level of transition/forecourt skills exist in 4.5 Atlanta these days (s&v and transition to net has apparently gone out of favor). A fair evaluation would be watching you play a Scott fresh, and other strong 4.5 net players. Scott obviously brought a lot more to this match than just finishing offense at the net, so a good test might be someone with the solid net game part, and less game from the baseline and serve. My experience was lobs couldn't win the day against top 4.5 net play ... so the big deciding factor was passing shots, ball placement (low, low, low ) to opponent approaching, play for passing shot on 2nd hit, etc. Sometimes good s&v players or a quality server like Scott at a level just won't get broken very often. That means anyone playing/beating them will also have to hold their serve at a high percentage.

Good stuff ... I enjoy watching your matchups. I have the benefit of knowing why stuff works in 4.5 singles ... even if I am yelling "that should not work".

 

[GSG]

Of course ... you already earned respect with your results (more so from me just by being a good guy with a good attitude ... rest is just a rec hobby).

My suspicion was you would run into difficulty if you ran into top 4.5 transition and net skills (don't we all), and Scott is the first one I've watched you play against with that level of skills.

Thanks, I appreciate it!

I know I'm biased, but I really think Scott is a 5.0, NTRP notwithstanding. On both TennisRecord and TLS, his dynamic rating is exactly 4.5. More than that, based on the way he plays, there's nothing I see that a 5.0 is capable of doing that Scott isn't capable of doing as well.

 

[mcs1970]

Thanks, I appreciate it!

I know I'm biased, but I really think Scott is a 5.0, NTRP notwithstanding. On both TennisRecord and TLS, his dynamic rating is exactly 4.5. More than that, based on the way he plays, there's nothing I see that a 5.0 is capable of doing that Scott isn't capable of doing as well.

it doesn’t matter. You are playing and putting your videos out there for some others who are probably not even as good as you to rip your game and claim how you will never be as good as you can be. Lot of unnecessary negativity on this thread. All I took from your play is a validation that one can play and win against good players by minimizing errors.

If some like your style and emulate that, more power to them. If others feel that it is a limiting style and inhibits their growth, more power to them too.

I started being more serious about tennis in my mid 40s. After a few years settled on basically an all conti or modified conti grip. Many here will belittle and say that I am limiting myself. I did a honest assessment of my ceiling and it is what it is. I am much more consistent and enjoying more. Each of us have to find out what is best for us. I enjoy watching your matches. Even more than that you seem like a genuinely humble and nice guy. Keep it up.

 

[jhick]

If you are saying slice ros does not work in 4.0 and 4.5 doubles ... I will take the opportunity to once again shoot down that myth. The best #1 4.5 doubles player that ever played on our team played ad court, and hit most bh ros with 1hbh slice. Lethal ... ex-D1, ex-5.0 ... feet would be moving early and he would carve sucker low over net towards doubles alley. He came in behind it ... gave him all kinds of time to close the net and as an opponent you didn't want him up there. What made it even more lethal was the fact he also had a low UE 1hbh drive ros that he threw in enough to keep server from just shading toward alley. When we went to 4.5 sectionals he didn't lose one #1 doubles match ... and there were many ringers there.

My brother in law (former 5.0 who played D1 in college), used to have a BH slice return that he would hit at my feet every time I tried to come in on my serve. Most people struggle returning my serve but he totally neutralized it with that shot. In fact for a time I would purposely stay back after serving. It was just more effective. Otherwise I'd generally either miss my volley or have to hit a defensive shot. Fortunately for me as he's gotten older his BH slice isn't as reliable as it once was.

 

[GSG]

it doesn’t matter. You are playing and putting your videos out there for some others who are probably not even as good as you to rip your game and claim how you will never be as good as you can be. Lot of unnecessary negativity on this thread. All I took from your play is a validation that one can play and win against good players by minimizing errors.

If some like your style and emulate that, more power to them. If others feel that it is a limiting style and inhibits their growth, more power to them too.

I started being more serious about tennis in my mid 40s. After a few years settled on basically an all conti or modified conti grip. Many here will belittle and say that I am limiting myself. I did a honest assessment of my ceiling and it is what it is. I am much more consistent and enjoying more. Each of us have to find out what is best for us. I enjoy watching your matches. Even more than that you seem like a genuinely humble and nice guy. Keep it up.

Thank you! I try to keep this all in perspective, especially when it comes to ratings. If USTA magically decided tomorrow that I was a 2.5, nothing else in my life would change. My job won't reduce my salary, my family won't shun me, I won't be forced to wear a scarlet #2.5, etc. Some people (not here, but on YT) seem to think ones rating should define who they are as people, which is silly.

 

[jmnk]

Thanks, I appreciate it!

I know I'm biased, but I really think Scott is a 5.0, NTRP notwithstanding. On both TennisRecord and TLS, his dynamic rating is exactly 4.5. More than that, based on the way he plays, there's nothing I see that a 5.0 is capable of doing that Scott isn't capable of doing as well.

not only that, or maybe not mainly that. Scott is just perfectly comfortable with facing a 'weird' strokes - perhaps because as a coach he is seeing it on daily basis. Plus he can hit the ball back all day and reset the point when in any danger. And @GCG game is such that there's nothing to bother Scott: no big serve, no possibility of a winner really, no volley. This is just a terrible matchup for MEP - which happens.

 

[srimes]

Thanks, I appreciate it!

I know I'm biased, but I really think Scott is a 5.0, NTRP notwithstanding. On both TennisRecord and TLS, his dynamic rating is exactly 4.5. More than that, based on the way he plays, there's nothing I see that a 5.0 is capable of doing that Scott isn't capable of doing as well.

Scott is the first that I've seen that has the weapons to comfortably punish you. He played very well.

One issue I've noticed with your court positioning is that after you hit down the line you tend to stay on that side of the court, leaving you vulnerable to a cross court shot.

 

[jhick]

This was my experience transistioning from 4.5 singles to 4.5 doubles in my 30s. Top 4.5 singles play did not mean top 4.5 doubles play ... two different sets of skills. It took me a few years, not a few sessions. This was typical with my tournament friends that played primarily singles.

Yeah I think transitioning from singles to doubles is an adjustment for sure at 4.5. I had good success in high school and even college at D3 in doubles, but struggled (especially playing crafty players) when I first transitioned to USTA doubles.

 

[user92626]

This was my experience transistioning from 4.5 singles to 4.5 doubles in my 30s. Top 4.5 singles play did not mean top 4.5 doubles play ... two different sets of skills. It took me a few years, not a few sessions. This was typical with my tournament friends that played primarily singles.

I play a lowly level and have little problem between doubles and singles. Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and lots of other pro's play elite levels and also switch to doubles from time to time with ease. He||, Fed even won some dubs Olympic.

So, you have some very low level and some very high level to suggest my point, but somehow YOUR OWN level, your own experience is one of the kind.

 

[PilotPete]

On GSG homecourts, Scott would probably win by similar scores. The game Scott lost he made some dumb mistakes.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Thanks, I appreciate it!

I know I'm biased, but I really think Scott is a 5.0, NTRP notwithstanding. On both TennisRecord and TLS, his dynamic rating is exactly 4.5. More than that, based on the way he plays, there's nothing I see that a 5.0 is capable of doing that Scott isn't capable of doing as well.

Yes ... looks like 5.0 to me ... an older one. But I think you had a matchup problem from his net skills regardless of level. You will find 4.5 with those net skills, at least there were in my "era". When I watch 4.5 video here at ttw, I see bigger FHs than we generally saw, but lesser net game and passing shot skills. Also ... way too often, I don't see players seeking out the other's weakness as a priority.

 

[jdawgg]

Scott's comment about feeling like pain was just temporal after his dog died resonated with me to a great degree. All my best tennis has been played in that state of mind. Almost start to relish the pain. I'm not sure some players understand how physical the game gets at higher levels. Not surprised about Scott's score line after that comment.

RIP Scott's dog. I feel for him. Have a couple of my own and enjoying my time with them as I know they have much shorter lifespans than ours.

 

[happyandbob]

I know I'm biased, but I really think Scott is a 5.0, NTRP notwithstanding. On both TennisRecord and TLS, his dynamic rating is exactly 4.5. More than that, based on the way he plays, there's nothing I see that a 5.0 is capable of doing that Scott isn't capable of doing as well.

If nothing else, he certainly played like a 5.0 on that day!

 

[ByeByePoly]

Yeah I think transitioning from singles to doubles is an adjustment for sure at 4.5. I had good success in high school and even college at D3 in doubles, but struggled (especially playing crafty players) when I first transitioned to USTA doubles.

Good ... now there are two of us. Expect some slander from brother @user92626.
Always nice to know my one of a kind experience is at least two of a kind. Jeeze

 

[ByeByePoly]

it doesn’t matter. You are playing and putting your videos out there for some others who are probably not even as good as you to rip your game and claim how you will never be as good as you can be. Lot of unnecessary negativity on this thread. All I took from your play is a validation that one can play and win against good players by minimizing errors.

If some like your style and emulate that, more power to them. If others feel that it is a limiting style and inhibits their growth, more power to them too.

I started being more serious about tennis in my mid 40s. After a few years settled on basically an all conti or modified conti grip. Many here will belittle and say that I am limiting myself. I did a honest assessment of my ceiling and it is what it is. I am much more consistent and enjoying more. Each of us have to find out what is best for us. I enjoy watching your matches. Even more than that you seem like a genuinely humble and nice guy. Keep it up.

I was checking my fh grip ... and index base knuckle is on edge between continental and eastern bevel. I have been saying a hit with a weak eastern ... maybe weaker than that.

 

[user92626]

Good ... now there are two of us. Expect some slander from brother @user92626.
Always nice to know my one of a kind experience is at least two of a kind. Jeeze

Of course there's always adjustment. Every time I put on a new underwear I also need adjustment (now you woke up my cynical self)

The point is it's not as significant as BBP makes it out to be. Certainly not "a few years" like BBP suggests. A few years for these recreational skills?


Anyway, it's all anecdotal. There's no one hard and fixed rule. Just some impression.

 

[tlm]

as far as ratings go:

• Sean R. does not have any official verified USTA _singles_ match like ever. But according to UTR he is within 4.5 range/very top 4.0 range.
• Topher does not appear to have and official verified USTA _singles_ match like ever. I would take the claim that he is only 4.0 with a grain of salt.
• Mark S. record at USTA singles is like 40-10 or so over past 5 years. His UTR was not long ago almost 10.00, it is a bit lower now. he played college tennis, and is still not far removed (age wise) from his best playing years) I suppose you could call him 4.5 - but that is a very, very top edge of 4.5 level.
• Scott is a former excellent college player, and him being a coach, is on the court daily. He is also at the very, very top edge of 4.5 level according to tennisrecord.

there's really nothing out of ordinary with these results.

Sean is a 4.0 level player and in the indoor league he plays in he is not good enough to play singles. On those teams there is only one singles player and he is not as good as the #1 guy.

 

[mad dog1]

Good ... now there are two of us. Expect some slander from brother @user92626.
Always nice to know my one of a kind experience is at least two of a kind. Jeeze

Agreed. While doubles and singles are played on the same court, they are 2 different games in the way they are played.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Agreed. While doubles and singles are played on the same court, they are 2 different games in the way they are played.

How is your shoulder?

 

[ByeByePoly]

Of course there's always adjustment. Every time I put on a new underwear I also need adjustment (now you woke up my cynical self)

The point is it's not as significant as BBP makes it out to be. Certainly not "a few years" like BBP suggests. A few years for these recreational skills?


Anyway, it's all anecdotal. There's no one hard and fixed rule. Just some impression.

Do you know you just replied to BBP in this post?

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

Agreed. While doubles and singles are played on the same court, they are 2 different games in the way they are played.

I'll throw in some more nuances, I think singles baseliners have a harder time going doubles, doubles first to dabbling in singles is easier, much more space to place the ball and less pressure. As a serve and volley-er with big serve, it's not that hard to flip flop between the two. It's interesting though, I didn't notice a difference between college and usta doubles except less tendency to over-hit and more emphasis on placement from sectionals/state usta doubles teams.

 

[mad dog1]

Has is your shoulder?

Thanks for remembering and asking. The shoulder is old.

it’s good enough to allow me to enjoy tennis but I do get pain after serving a hopper of balls so it is what it is.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Thanks for remembering and asking. The shoulder is old.

it’s good enough to allow me to enjoy tennis but I do get pain after serving a hopper of balls so it is what it is.

Your shoulder is young ... depending on context. Glad you can keep playing.

 

[mad dog1]

I'll throw in some more nuances, I think singles baseliners have a harder time going doubles, doubles first to dabbling in singles is easier, much more space to place the ball and less pressure. As a serve and volley-er with big serve, it's not that hard to flip flop between the two. It's interesting though, I didn't notice a difference between college and usta doubles except less tendency to over-hit and more emphasis on placement from sectionals/state usta doubles teams.

Yes, singles doesn’t require as precise ball placement and if you miss the placement, you might be able to get away with it and recover. In doubles, if you miss up with the placement, your partner generally pays the price and gets tattooed. There’s definitely greater time pressure in dubs.

 

[user92626]

Do you know you just replied to BBP in this post?

Why? You prefer an exclusive response to you?

 

[3virgul14]

Yes ... looks like 5.0 to me ... an older one. But I think you had a matchup problem from his net skills regardless of level. You will find 4.5 with those net skills, at least there were in my "era". When I watch 4.5 video here at ttw, I see bigger FHs than we generally saw, but lesser net game and passing shot skills. Also ... way too often, I don't see players seeking out the other's weakness as a priority.

In real life 5.0 guys hit like this, most probably you don't see much of a ball. Even better pusher with counter punchs asks for a mercy.

 

[jhick]

I'll throw in some more nuances, I think singles baseliners have a harder time going doubles, doubles first to dabbling in singles is easier, much more space to place the ball and less pressure. As a serve and volley-er with big serve, it's not that hard to flip flop between the two. It's interesting though, I didn't notice a difference between college and usta doubles except less tendency to over-hit and more emphasis on placement from sectionals/state usta doubles teams.

I'm more of a doubles specialist, and who you describe, S&V style with a bigger serve. I even used to play that way in singles. Still, initially after transitioning from singles to doubles at 4.5, I noticed that the good players had better placement, were better at lobs, better at general doubles tactics and strategy than a lot of my doubles opponents I played in college and high school. It took me about a year of transitioning until I felt comfortable competing especially against the higher level 4.5's. Some of these guys have played doubles for 20 or 30 years have really honed their craft.

Then again, maybe it's just me.

 

[Purestriker]

Could be. I am at least part human after all. But I felt like I owed it to Scott, the viewers, and myself to go through with the match. My success criteria for this endeavor transcended winning and losing.

That's awesome! I think Scott appreciate it too.

 

[Purestriker]

Thanks you! I try to keep this all in perspective, especially when it comes to ratings. If USTA magically decided tomorrow that I was a 2.5, nothing else in my life would change. My job won't reduce my salary, my family won't shun me, I won't be forced to wear a scarlet 2.5, etc. Some people (not here, but on YT) seem to think ones rating should define who they are as people, which is silly.

Bingo! Couldn't agree more,

 

[user92626]

In real life 5.0 guys hit like this, most probably you don't see much of a ball. Even better pusher with counter punchs asks for a mercy.

Damn...that's a tight match, tight point playing. Now this is a very believable 5.0 to me. Consistent and powerful. Notice alot of ground strokes hit the back fence nicely.

 

[GuyClinch]

There's a point where playing this style will succumb to players with good technique, in this case Ian is exploiting the phenomenon that MEP has become amongst tennis enthusiasts and has gained a lot from it, not only in buzz but in money from h this YouTube series and surely he'll get a lot of subscribers to his courses, there's nothing wrong with it and GSG has been a great sport about the whole thing, in fact he's been the best thing about it but in the end the fact is that this is just a gimmick, nor Ian or any other teaching pro at ET will lose to Ben at their current levels, Ben is a recreational player whereas those guys at ET train and play every day.

Is basically pitting an amateur with a semi pro and there's nothing wrong with it per se, we just have to recognize that is just a gimmick to generate buzz and it worked like a charm, I have enjoyed it quite much.

Agree for the most part. There are a number of guys on the tennis troll channel that could beat Ian - I think. But it because they are younger - have a better tennis background and are more athletic then Ian. But asking a self taught 4.5 - not an ex college player - or some cross sport phenom to take on Ian is pretty impossible..

 

[jmnk]

Sean is a 4.0 level player and in the indoor league he plays in he is not good enough to play singles. On those teams there is only one singles player and he is not as good as the #1 guy.

please, do not start again the "4.0 level player and in the indoor league he plays in" discussion. We went through it already. And you agreed yourself that your league levels and USTA levels are _not_ the same. I mean what's your problem with understanding that?

I guess the confusion is that the clubs Sean and I play at are not USTA so the ratings are off. We go by those players to get our ratings so if some of them are actually 5.0 level players we call them 4.5 level because that’s the level they play at.
We are both 4.0 level players and when we face some of the better alleged 4.5 guys we are overwhelmed by how good they are and that is what we are judging the 4.5 level by.

 

[tlm]

please, do not start again the "4.0 level player and in the indoor league he plays in" discussion. We went through it already. And you agreed yourself that your league levels and USTA levels are _not_ the same. I mean what's your problem with understanding that?

The best guy in this league is a USTA 4.0. His name is Al Alvarez and Sean cannot beat him. Al was rated one of the top USTA 4.0 in Chicago area a few years back. So this guy plays in the indoor league and has played USTA and has a 4.0 rating. Which would definitely put Sean at 4.0 level, which I know to be true wether some don’t want to believe it. Sean’s UTR is 6.4.

I just hit with a buddy of mine that is a current 4.5 USTA player and I asked him if Sean is a 4.5 level player and he said no way and he played him in a non USTA summer league last year. So I know what I’m talking about beings I play in Sean’s area and know first hand, but you can believe what you want. The friend of mine that played Sean last year is on the USTA board and has been playing USTA tennis for many years so I think he knows what level players are at.

 

[sureshs]

Ian-GSG clash Part 1 drops tomorrow

 

[LeastExhaustingPlayer]

I excite for Ian v. MEP match.

 

[jhick]

I excite for Ian v. MEP match.

LOL...Love the handle name and pic.

 

[jmnk]

I really do not know why I'm responding..... But here it is.

The best guy in this league is a USTA 4.0. His name is Al Alvarez and Sean cannot beat him.

I do not know where you get your info from. Al Alvarez is listed on the rooster of 4.5 level team in that league of yours, not the 4.0 team. According to publicly available records he has been on that 4.5 team since 2018 (which is the oldest data available). His singles record at 4.5 level (again, your league level, not USTA) is 100% wins.
Plus he is not the best player on that league. Troy Brinker is.

Al was rated one of the top USTA 4.0 in Chicago area a few years back. So this guy plays in the indoor league and has played USTA

that we can agree on. In 2019 he went perfect 8-0 in singles in USTA 4.0.

[Al] has a 4.0 rating. Which would definitely put Sean at 4.0 level, which I know to be true wether some don’t want to believe it.

He is now listed on USTA site as 4.5C level player. Could you show me where he is listed on USTA site as 4.0 level?

I just hit with a buddy of mine that is a current 4.5 USTA player and I asked him if Sean is a 4.5 level player and he said no way and he played him in a non USTA summer league last year. So I know what I’m talking about beings I play in Sean’s area and know first hand, but you can believe what you want. The friend of mine that played Sean last year is on the USTA board and has been playing USTA tennis for many years so I think he knows what level players are at.

this is just he said, she said. As a famous quote says, 'this is just your opinion, man'. Which does not seem to reflect factual data.

and regarding this again

Sean is a 4.0 level player and in the indoor league he plays in he is not good enough to play singles. On those teams there is only one singles player and he is not as good as the #1 guy.

That's interesting because that league records show that Sean has played as many matches at #1 singles at 4.0 _of that indoor non-USAT league_ as anyone else from his club. And his record is 1-1. Hardly suggests he is 'not good enough to play singles.'.

Bottom line: Is Sean good enough to be 50/50 singles player on a good 4.5 USTA team? Probably not. Is it unreasonable to think he still could be 4.5C if he did play USTA league? Also probably not.

edited to correct the record.

 

[sureshs]

Poor Sean being analyzed to death!

 

[FiddlerDog]

Scott is a beast. He was attacking that serve like a D1 pro.
Very few players have the game Scott has to beat MEP with aggression.
Lower level 3.5 and 4.0 will try to play just like Scott, but as error factories, and lose to MEP 0-1

 

[tlm]

I really do not know why I'm responding..... But here it is.

I do not know where you get your info from. Al Alvarez is listed on the rooster of 4.5 level team in that league of yours, not the 4.0 team. According to publicly available records he has been on that 4.5 team since 2018 (which is the oldest data available). His singles record at 4.5 level (again, your league level, not USTA) is 100% wins.
Plus he is not the best player on that league. Troy Brinker is.


that we can agree on. In 2019 he went perfect 8-0 in singles in USTA 4.0.


He is now listed on USTA site as 4.5C level player. Could you show me where he is listed on USTA site as 4.0 level?


this is just he said, she said. As a famous quote says, 'this is just your opinion, man'. Which does not seem to reflect factual data.

and regarding this again

That's interesting because that league records show that Sean has played as many matches at #1 singles at 4.0 _of that indoor non-USAT league_ as anyone else from his club. And his record is 100% wins. Hardly suggests he is 'not good enough to play singles.'.

Bottom line: Is Sean good enough to be 50/50 singles player on a good 4.5 USTA team? Probably not. Is it unreasonable to think he still could be 4.5C if he did play USTA league? Also probably not.

What 4.0 league are you talking about where Sean played singles in? because it is not the indoor club league that I’m talking about. I think you are talking about the Gladiator league. There are 3 indoor club leagues one is called Illiana and the other is Jack Berry, and Gladiator has its own singles league.

Al plays 4.0 singles in the Illiana League and occasionally fills in on the 4.5 Jack Berry league team and has won a couple of matches but not 100% wins. So not sure where you are getting this info. Troy Brinker is the top singles player in our club and would absolutely destroy Al if they played.

Sorry but it is unreasonable to think Sean could play and have any success at singles in a USTA 4.5 league in our area. He is not a 4.5 level player, he is a solid 4.0 no matter how much you want to think otherwise.

 

[sureshs]

Scott is a beast. He was attacking that serve like a D1 pro.
Very few players have the game Scott has to beat MEP with aggression.
Lower level 3.5 and 4.0 will try to play just like Scott, but as error factories, and lose to MEP 0-1

Well, they are expected to lose to a 4.5, right?

 

[ByeByePoly]

Poor Sean being analyzed to death!

True ... ttw couch.

 

[jmnk]

What 4.0 league are you talking about where Sean played singles in? because it is not the indoor club league that I’m talking about. I think you are talking about the Gladiator league. There are 3 indoor club leagues one is called Illiana and the other is Jack Berry, and Gladiator has its own singles league.

Al plays 4.0 singles in the Illiana League and occasionally fills in on the 4.5 Jack Berry league team and has won a couple of matches but not 100% wins. So not sure where you are getting this info. Troy Brinker is the top singles player in our club and would absolutely destroy Al if they played.

Sorry but it is unreasonable to think Sean could play and have any success at singles in a USTA 4.5 league in our area. He is not a 4.5 level player, he is a solid 4.0 no matter how much you want to think otherwise.

could you point me to any records/match data related to that Illiana league?

here's a link to Al's record in JackBerry league http://jbitl.com/scores/PlayerInfo_jb.php?PlayerID=4077 looks 100% wins in singles to me.

 

[tlm]

could you point me to any records/match data related to that Illiana league?

here's a link to Al's record in JackBerry league http://jbitl.com/scores/PlayerInfo_jb.php?PlayerID=4077 looks 100% wins in singles to me.

I don’t think that there is any listings for the Illiana league. Here is a little info on a few Jack Berry matches that Sean played in. In 2 singles matches at 4.0 he is 1 and 1 but somehow he is a 4.5 level player?

JBITL - Player Information

 

[travlerajm]

Poor Sean being analyzed to death!

The important thing is we must get to the bottom of what his NTRP dynamic rating should be!

 

[jmnk]

I don’t think that there is any listings for the Illiana league. Here is a little info on a few Jack Berry matches that Sean played in.

JBITL - Player Information

well, yes, exactly, it shows Sean's singles record as 1-1. I'm not sure what is your argument as that is exactly what I've stated above.

edited: corrected record. Thanks @tlm

 

[tlm]

well, yes, exactly, it shows Sean's singles record as 100%. I'm not sure what is your argument as that is exactly what I've stated above.

Are you sure it doesn’t show that Sean won 1 match and lost the other? Plus why Is he playing on the 4.0 team instead of the 4.5?