Myth or Reality? Federer plays with a low swingweight

travlerajm · Oct 11, 2006

The debate over Federer's true specs has waged on this forum for a long time.

As we all know, forum member Greg Raven has acquired one of Fed's frames. He has not only measured its specs, but also made an admirable effort to do playtest comparisons against other similar Wilson frames. His conclusion was that Federer's racquet has virtually identical specs to the nSix-One Tour 90.

For some people, this settled the debate. I am not one of those people.

I believe that Greg Raven's racquet is authentic. However, I also believe that the specs of the racquet in Mr. Raven's possession are very different than the specs of the racquet Federer actually uses on the court. Specifically, I believe that Federer has roughly 12g of lead stashed under his bumper, and that the lead was removed before it was given away. The extra lead would bump his swingweight up by 30 or 40 kg-cm^2.

Why do I believe this? If you study Federer's strokes carefully, and the way the ball responds off his strings, it becomes apparent that his swingweight is much higher than the 330 that Mr. Raven measured. This is most easily observed on volleys and returns. Also, the spin efficiency of his racquet (massive spin without a steep uppercut swingpath) is not achievable with such a low swingweight.

As always, I expect many of you to disagree with me.
It may be a long time before we have a definitive answer, since it is in Federer's best interest to maintain secrecy of his exact specs (just as Roddick does). But I believe that in the end, when Fed is retired and his true specs are revealed, everyone will ultimately see what I'm talking about.

AlpineCadet · Oct 11, 2006

As quoted on Roger Federer's website, his rackets have different amounts of lead weights fixed inside, depending upon which surface he's playing on. So who's to say there isn't lead added to his handle, or anywhere else for that matter?

Do you even know how much his racket actually weighs?

The reality is his racket suits him best. (Hmm, just because a pro bowler uses a 16lbs ball doesn't mean I'm going to go out and get the exact same weight and finger tip size and layout as him.)

hoosierbr · Oct 11, 2006

This is just my opinion so take it for what it's worth but I don't think Federer's actual specs are very relevant to most of us rec players. Many folks tried to set their racquets up just like Sampras did and found, big surprise, that it was way too demanding for them day in and day out. I would imagine that given Federer's headsize is either 88 or 90 if you add the static weight and swingweight, whatever it is, it would be pretty unplayable for most of us. So, in the end, what does it really matter?

As most pros use paintjobbed racquets anyway the idea of playing an exact copy of a pro's stick is pretty difficult to achieve.

deluxe · Oct 11, 2006

travlerajm said:
If you study Federer's strokes carefully, and the way the ball responds off his strings, it becomes apparent that his swingweight is much higher than the 330 that Mr. Raven measured.

I don't believe you can tell the swingweight of a racquet by watching the way the ball responds off his strings.

AlpineCadet · Oct 11, 2006

deluxe said:
I don't believe you can tell the swingweight of a racquet by watching the way the ball responds off his strings.

I'm sure travlerajm knows that what he says is open for interpretation, so I'm sure he figures he can say things like that.

Ripper · Oct 11, 2006

travlerajm said:
I believe that Greg Raven's racquet is authentic. However, I also believe that the specs of the racquet in Mr. Raven's possession are very different than the specs of the racquet Federer actually uses on the court. Specifically, I believe that Federer has roughly 12g of lead stashed under his bumper, and that the lead was removed before it was given away. The extra lead would bump his swingweight up by 30 or 40 kg-cm^2.

Then, what Raven needs to do is check, very closely, for evidence that lead tape had been placed there; adhesive residue, paint peeling, etc.

Swissv2 · Oct 11, 2006

Greg had pictures of those pieces of lead. But what is not able to be shown is the lead inside the frame, unless one breaks the racquet open to find out.

Ripper · Oct 11, 2006

Swissv2 said:
But what is not able to be shown is the lead inside the frame, unless one breaks the racquet open to find out.

Lead inside the frame? Silicone, in any case. However, the issue here is not why the raquet is so heavy, but quite the contrary, why is it so light.

jackson vile · Oct 11, 2006

IMO the Roger setup does not have a swing weight same as other pros.

I do believe that Roger's SW (depending on surface) is 330-340 and no more

The extra spin Roger gets is from #1 technique #2 String setup (and this plays a large part) #3 The weighting and low SW.

Roger does not have a very high average first serve, and is very rare that he gets up into the 30's

Finaly if Roger had a SW that was that high he would not be able to make the defensive shots that he does and is know for and turning them into offensive shots.

My racket handles more solidly than any other racket I have ever used, especialy at the net no matter how hard it is hit or how much spin, it just eats it up. I have tried 15 different players rackets many of which aren't made any more, nothing is like PS setup.

I used to be a live by the prestige die by the prestige kinda guy, but I can't lie to myself, the PS setup is just plain superior for this style of play, not all but yes this style.

BreakPoint · Oct 11, 2006

Ripper said:
Then, what Raven needs to do is check, very closely, for evidence that lead tape had been placed there; adhesive residue, paint peeling, etc.

I believe what Greg Raven has is a racquet that was made by Wilson for Federer but that Federer never actually played with the racquet. It was sent directly from Wilson to the USRSA. I don't think Federer ever touched it. Thus, it was likely never customized to exactly what Federer plays with in his matches.

SFrazeur · Oct 11, 2006

Does anyone know the date of Roger's answer? (...his rackets have different amounts of lead weights fixed inside, depending upon which surface he's playing on.) If I recall correctly, when he used the PS Tour 90 he had lead on the inside throat. Could this be what is referred to, his set up on the PS Tour 90?

jackson vile · Oct 11, 2006

Has any stringer ever weighted and measured his racket? After reading about Greg's James Blake racket and Richie's James Blake racket it sounds that limited edt rackets are sold that aren't used by said player and there fore never weighted up like that.

IMO you only know exactly what is what when either A) you string it and weight it youself and see said player playing with that racket or B) you recover broken racket from trash lol

I would like to hear theories of how Rogers racket is setup, I am totally open minded, with this new information it has really opend my eyes

AlpineCadet · Oct 11, 2006

jackson vile said:
I would like to hear theories of how Rogers racket is setup, I am totally open minded, with this new information it has really opend my eyes

But not everything you read is true. You have to remember to break each statement down, and figure out its reliability and source.

drakulie · Oct 11, 2006

PS 85. There you go.

jackson vile · Oct 11, 2006

SFrazeur said:
Does anyone know the date of Roger's answer? (...his rackets have different amounts of lead weights fixed inside, depending upon which surface he's playing on.) If I recall correctly, when he used the PS Tour 90 he had lead on the inside throat. Could this be what is referred to, his set up on the PS Tour 90?

I did that with my racket and it made it more stable for ground strokes but made serves more difficult and less feel

Kevo · Oct 11, 2006

All of this speculation on Roger's exact setup is fun and all, but until anyone has any real evidence it seems like wasted typing to me. Eventually Roger is going to get old and some young guy is going to start beating him and take over his number 1 spot. Then everyone's going to be talking about that new guys racquet. I can pretty much guarantee he won't be playing with the setup that Roger uses. Then this thread has to start all over again.

SFrazeur · Oct 11, 2006

Kevo said:
All of this speculation on Roger's exact setup is fun and all, but until anyone has any real evidence it seems like wasted typing to me. Eventually Roger is going to get old and some young guy is going to start beating him and take over his number 1 spot. Then everyone's going to be talking about that new guys racquet. I can pretty much guarantee he won't be playing with the setup that Roger uses. Then this thread has to start all over again.

You don’t have to participate, you know. I have never found a good discussion to be a waste.

jackson vile · Oct 11, 2006

Kevo said:
All of this speculation on Roger's exact setup is fun and all, but until anyone has any real evidence it seems like wasted typing to me. Eventually Roger is going to get old and some young guy is going to start beating him and take over his number 1 spot. Then everyone's going to be talking about that new guys racquet. I can pretty much guarantee he won't be playing with the setup that Roger uses. Then this thread has to start all over again.

as usual you are missing the point, we discuse other peoples rackets as well.

In general pro players have different setups for a reason however they all have something in comon

This is for fun and nothing else, and has nothing to do with what you are saying, but thanks anways

jackson vile · Oct 11, 2006

AlpineCadet said:
But not everything you read is true. You have to remember to break each statement down, and figure out its reliability and source.

Yea no S***, like I said it is interesting and lets hear some ideas and theories, especially in the presence of the new informations.

AlpineCadet · Oct 11, 2006

jackson vile said:
Yea no S***, like I said it is interesting and lets hear some ideas and theories, especially in the presence of the new informations.

You're just too polite. You're making me blush.

MasterTS · Oct 11, 2006

The real question!

What happen to Greg Raven?

I think it was too much he had a Federer racquet in posession so he had to disappear for concerns of his and familys' health.

haerdalis · Oct 11, 2006

I think Federers forehand looked a bit different when he played with the ps 85. He whips through the ball more today. Perhaps it is not because of a different racquet but just better/different technique, I dont know. But the forehand is different.

Greg Raven · Oct 12, 2006

MasterTS said:
What happen to Greg Raven?

I think it was too much he had a Federer racquet in posession so he had to disappear for concerns of his and familys' health.

I'm still here. I wasn't going to participate, because I've given my opinion about Federer's racquet many times on TTW, and I have a webpage or two with actual measurements, which I set up so I don't have to repeat myself over and over.

AJK1 · Oct 17, 2006

Good on you Greg, i can't believe that even when someone has a genuine Fed racquet such as yourself, people still deny or won't believe stuff about it. Truly astonishing! People need to get a life! Tech heads are a bore!

jackson vile · Oct 18, 2006

AJK1 said:
Good on you Greg, i can't believe that even when someone has a genuine Fed racquet such as yourself, people still deny or won't believe stuff about it. Truly astonishing! People need to get a life! Tech heads are a bore!

Nothing astonishing here at all, the thing is that greg alos has a JB HM racket. The stange thing is that his JB racket does not come out to what stringers say it should Greg said it is around 12.5 stringers said it is around 13.4oz.

So this shows a possibility that these rackets are either 1)being sold with out mods as said racket was never modded for said pro 2)said racket has been stripped of lead that is not visable or 3)the official stringing information is in some shape or form in correct.

Further more we know for an absolute fact that Tommy Haas racket is 13.5oz+ and it would be very strange for James Blake to use a racket that is even lighter than TH who is not known for such huge hits as JB.

So we see for a fact that things simply don't add up and that it is possbile roger uses as higher SW

AJK1 · Oct 18, 2006

My point exactly

alan-n · Oct 18, 2006

I always thought Federer had his racquets from Wilson sent to Nate Ferguson to mold the grip palette and add lead / balance specs like he did with Sampras racquets. Doesn't TW past article about Priority 1 mention that? I don't remember and don't feel like looking it up LOL.

Anyways, Greg still have the most definitive answer on Fed's actual racquet and Fed is known to change the weight / balance depending on surface / player / conditions like many other pros do.

jackson vile · Oct 18, 2006

Very interesting I never have really looked into this here more info

ART ART said:
Just got it from the official stringing/measurement official machines here in Paris:
Weight 374grams, balance: 31,3cm
Strung with Wilson Gut mains @ 22kg(Average); AluPower crosses @ 20Kg(Average).
Someone from Wilson or Fed's team, I don't know, was here this morning to strung 16 rackets, in a range from 20kilos to 25kilos mains. The crosses ware always 2 kilos below.
All rackets with Wilson overgrip, and elasto-crosses and oil protection in the strings.
I can't see if the leather grip was Wilson leather or other.
By the way... Tony was here with the other guy, and I must say that he his a great great guy. Very nice with all of us, and very positive.
In a conversation with us, he told us that many pros, and coaches consult this forum and post many things here.
About the nCode of Roger, when I ask him about the composition of the rackett, he told me:" ... this his a copy of the legendary ProStaff 85 but with a larger head size, nothing else, because Roger plays with that racket since he was 15 or 16 years old, but because of clay courts 4 or 5 years ago, Roger have asked Wilson to make the same racket but with a bigger head size."
But the other fellow that was with him, didn't like the conversation, so I must assume that this other guy was from Wilson or so.
Nothing else or nothing more than this.

So that is 13.1oz ,blance around 12pt HL string tensions string 48m 44X

That is really funny as that is simular to my racket, I did not do that on purpose as I have never seen these specs LOL

Here is more

ART ART said:
I don't know for sure, because the gut and the alu power came in Red/black plastic bags labeled "Wilson Prime" with 6 meters long each, with no reference about the guage, but I suppose 1.30mm for the gut and the alu is the regular 1.25mm, I suppose that was alu power, all other workers here say it is.
Notice this is the second time that I check Roger rackets, last time his rackets ware slightly with less weight, around 365 to 369 if I recall. But that time I didn't check them on the measurement machine, just saw it labelled in Roger's Wilson bags.
Let me say to you that swinging with this racket, is very easy since is very headlight despite the weight. The grip was labeled on the but cap nº3 and that seems correct.

jackson vile · Oct 18, 2006

Here is that article http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/priority1.html

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Features/9908NateFerguson.html

ART ART · Oct 18, 2006

The funny this goes... in the Masters-Madrid, the specs are really really funny... the lightest racket weights with overgrip and with strings, 327grams, and it's from Moya.
I'm not there, but I got a message from a friend at Madrid, with some funny stuff about the Players, like this one: Safin whant to string is rackets, because he says he can string with much better accurancy than other people that don't play at that level. This is true, but when he starts the first one, he broke the string in 3 minutes... and letthe work to be done by the local stringers... 28/26kilos.

jackson vile · Oct 18, 2006

Now this is very interesting as this info is from Roger's site, he says that his racket starts out at 12.4oz before adding grip, weights, power pads ect ect

ask1ed said:
Federer uses the n code six one, since Munich 2003, but it is radically altered from store bought. The center strings are drilled more openly, with nine crosses, not ten, across the center weight sections. Wilson also places lead weights inside the frame, bringing the strung/gripped weight up to 370g. He uses and L3 or 4 3/8" grip size. He uses the white overgrip, wilson. He uses wilson gut on mains, and alu power rough 17 gauge 1.25 mm, the lux. string, blue color not gold (as lux. 16 g. alu power rough is gold) with the small rectangular indentations on it, and strings the crosses 4lbs. looser than the mains, at 57/53 lbs or 66/62lbs, 24/28kg, depending on surface/weather/player conditions. He does not use an impact absorber. He uses the babolat string a lings, placed on alternat crosses, on only the fourth and sixth crosses down from top of frame. Most players don't play with such a heavy, loosely strung stick. Sampras did, but he strung at 73-75 lbs, with a 17 gauge all season gut. He used the St. Vincent pro staff 6.0 original. No other player uses the Fed. racquet customized as he does. Anyone know where I can get one?

http://www.pdsil.com/fedraket.jpg
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/priority1.html
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Features/9908NateFerguson.html
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/player.html?ccode=RFEDERER
http://homepage.mac.com/gregraven/tennis/PhotoAlbum10.html

I got it from nate ferguson, who strung both federer and Sampras. Who do you think Fed learned from most? Also, Fed. admits Wilson cumtomizes his sticks on his own site. You can also count the cross strings in any fed close up, and see there are only nine across the center weights, not ten, as is store models. Some very impolite stupid guys on here.

"Which string(s) you are using and which string tension are you playing with?"
" I play with half synthetic strings (alu power rough 17g.) and the other half Wilson gut strings. The tension depends on the surface, the balls as well as the temperature and thus varies between 24 and 28 kg."

"Do you customize your racket? and if you do how and where?"

"Yes, Wilson does it for me." (Add lead weights, more open drill pattern in the middle and tighter on the ends.)

"Do you use a shock resistance thing that you put on the strings to reduce the shock when the racquet hits the ball?"
" No." (But he does use leather pads on throat mains.)

"When did you start using your current racquet?"

"I have been playing with it since Munich 2003."

"Can you please tell me the weight of YOUR racquet?"
"It differs, depending on the surface – we use lead weights which are fixed on the inside of the frame." (ON top of the already heavy n code six one 12.4oz strung, and then add the wilson overgrip, the lead weights, string pads on the bottom mains at the throat.)

"What grip size do you play?"
"L3."
The foot ad shot is from germany.

jackson vile · Oct 18, 2006

here is a really really old one LOL

THE ANIMAL said:
Here are the Facts on Feds stick that were posted by someone who had one of them given to him with a pic of the Racket.

It is not a stock 90 size. The head size is larger than a 6.0 85 but smaller than the stock Tour 90/Ncode 90. (held it up next to one of each) I measured the beam width. It is 16.5 mm thick (same as the old china PS85 he used to use makes total sense there). Thinner than the stock tour 90/Ncode 90 which is 17.5mm. Balance is even (has lead under the grommet strip all in the top of the hoop. His grip size is small...feels between 1/4 and 3/8, though the but cap says 3/8. The racquet only weighed in at 357g. Swingweight was in the 350-360 range.

Some other observations look v closely at the custom string pattern Feds sweet spot area i.e. where he hits most of the time is slightly higher then the middle and if you notice they have moved the concentrated pattern as all rackets have in the sweet spot area up to his area. Also No of mains and crosses and then take a close look as other people have observed the handle area is like the PS 6.0/85 Original.

So basically it is a total custom PS 88 mix with a modern shaped throat area of a Tour90/Ncode90, and ps85 handle. The only thing we don’t no is the internal construction of the racket but as he grew up with the ps85 china id guess its v similar.

jackson vile · Oct 18, 2006

Greg Raven said:
I'm still here. I wasn't going to participate, because I've given my opinion about Federer's racquet many times on TTW, and I have a webpage or two with actual measurements, which I set up so I don't have to repeat myself over and over.

why do you have two user accounts?

travlerajm · Oct 18, 2006

I think the specs posted by ANIMAL are a lot more believable.
But a little more accuracy in the measurements of the balance and swingweight would have helped. I would guess that the balance is more like 4 or 5 pts HL if the mass is indeed 357g.

ART ART · Oct 18, 2006

jackson vile: maybe I was right... maybe...

jackson vile · Oct 19, 2006

travlerajm said:
I think the specs posted by ANIMAL are a lot more believable.
But a little more accuracy in the measurements of the balance and swingweight would have helped. I would guess that the balance is more like 4 or 5 pts HL if the mass is indeed 357g.

Guys I really don't know, I think the most confusing thing is that Roger changes things a lot, you see how much me changes string tension LOL

IMO it would not be 4-5pt HL and especially not even, the thing is that this is the SW we "want" to believe but then the balance makes no sense at allLOL

I personally believe what ART is saying, it makes more sense to me watching Roger serve ect, the thing is I know what that racket swings like ect because that is what I play with.

If Roger was using SW2 then his serve would look at lot better, not so light and relaxed and the serves would be much faster more often.

Also with his string tensions so so low it makes more sense.

ART what is his SW? you did not mention that.

jackson vile · Oct 19, 2006

ART ART said:
jackson vile: maybe I was right... maybe...

Here is one of your posts

ART ART said:
Please post the specs of your nCode 90" ,with strings and overgrip (weight and balance point)

My nCode90": 366grams, ~32,0cm balance point.

I find it very very stange that instead of fallowing whatyou had said 374g 31.cm that you did something different?

That is .5oz that you put into the the racket at 14grams, 12.91oz statict weight, 8pt head light, You put some in the throat also? I'm guess your SW is around ~355

Are you 2hbh or 1hbh?

Could you list all Rogers static weight, blance, and SW you have ever measured?

alan-n · Oct 19, 2006

Concerning Roger's old tour 90, wasn't Roger's only slam on that racquet or paint job just his 1st Wimbledon?

I can definitely picture Roger changing racquet setups (thickness, headsize, weight) once again that year when he or Mirka gave Peter the pink slip and he didn't live up to expectations at the other majors that year. When things aren't working, even at the pro level, yes equipment changes are at the top of the list.

Anyways I don't doubt that Greg has Federer's actual playing racquet, I doubt that it has been leaded to what Federer plays with which changes anyways.

Its the never ending discussion until someone like Nate Ferguson confirms his setup I suppose.

SFrazeur · Oct 19, 2006

jackson vile said:
....the thing is I know what that racket swings like ect because that is what I play with....

In all truthfulness, do you not play with Cayman’s? Not the same racquet. I do know what you mean though.

jackson vile · Oct 19, 2006

SFrazeur said:
In all truthfulness, do you not play with Cayman’s? Not the same racquet. I do know what you mean though.

The tnt-90 is the same exact mold as the ps-85 but the SW is 325 and the static weight is 12.0oz so I have a lot of room to customize, also it is 100% graphite like the original Staff mid so there is more flex.

I am simply saying I know how a racket with the A) setup plays as that is the racket in my sig, and I have another setup around B) the SW2 theory.

I have not hybred between those.

Do consider a few things, Pete used Roger's racket and was happy with it, how is that possbile if the SW is around 335? They say Roger uses the exact same racket that is offered on TW but just a bit higher SW ect, so why would they not just offer the same exact racket Roger is playing if it is so simular? Why would the stringing be different, why have the pallet length different?

It costs way more money to make 2 different types of rackets rather than one, and Roger's is a different mold all thogether.

Next evidence I see is that Richard Gasquet modles a lot of his game after Roger, Richard is known to use as true off the shelf LMIXL, this racket has a SW of 336, around 12.2 oz has a very simular throat to the PS85 ect, this racket was made just for Richard and IMO Richard wanted to modle his racket after Roger's.

All the evidence IMO leans us more towards setup A) SW around 335 static around 13oz, with weight in the throat aread that we saw him with on the Paint Jobed PS 85 to look like the Tour90.

IMO this explains his serve, and his defensive/offensive capabilities and the low tensions as there simply is not as much mass in the head.

All players that have that much mass in the head string high with exception of some clay courters that have a relatively low static weight.

One thing that is possbile is that when it come to clay he changes to setup B) lower statice weight, SW2. The reasoning for this is that we see all the players that do well with clay with a low static high SW.

It is very unlikely that Roger can make one setup work that well for all surfaces as that simply does not happen conecutively like that, it is more realistic that he uses the type of setup that works best for each surface.

And his coments confirm this, everything depends on the tournament, heck he said it even depends on the opponent he is playing against.

This may be what is bringing all the confusion.

I am still undecided but believe ART, but would like ART to list all Static weight, SW, Balance with in past 2 years for for all majors of Roger's racket

jackson vile · Oct 19, 2006

alan-n said:
Concerning Roger's old tour 90, wasn't Roger's only slam on that racquet or paint job just his 1st Wimbledon?

I can definitely picture Roger changing racquet setups (thickness, headsize, weight) once again that year when he or Mirka gave Peter the pink slip and he didn't live up to expectations at the other majors that year. When things aren't working, even at the pro level, yes equipment changes are at the top of the list.

Anyways I don't doubt that Greg has Federer's actual playing racquet, I doubt that it has been leaded to what Federer plays with which changes anyways.

Its the never ending discussion until someone like Nate Ferguson confirms his setup I suppose.

The racket The Animal has is that racket, and as you can see it is indeed total custom, has his sig as his racket always does, but we are not understanding the balance.

What other players in the past have had success with an even balance? One thing to note is that this racket would IMO be amazingly stable and able to take antying at all that was thrown at it.

With The Animal info the Roger SW range would be 350-360 from what I can tell, Perhaps this is a setup c) for grass?

Or just a past setup and as you said only used once?

sureshs · Oct 19, 2006

jackson vile said:
Do consider a few things, Pete used Roger's racket and was happy with it, how is that possbile if the SW is around 335? They say Roger uses the exact same racket that is offered on TW but just a bit higher SW ect, so why would they not just offer the same exact racket Roger is playing if it is so simular?

Roger would not like it. It is like a trade secret between him and Wilson. Wilson could be able to do it legally if they wanted, but they wouldn't want to antagonize Roger.

Also, if Pete casually gives away that racquet during a WTT match or otherwise, people would know they obtained Roger's racquet, and that would diminish the myth.

ART ART · Oct 19, 2006

So, this has got even better!
I only check Fed's racket once at Paris, the other time I could only see what was labelled on the wilson bags.
But right now, I am not in Madrid

but a friend of mine sent me a message with Fed's Racket specs there, with overgrip, power pads and string, so here it goes:
Weight: 368grams, Balance: 31,2cm, Strung at 23/21 Kilos, acording to this friend of mine that work there. Sorry but don't ask me his name or function there.
Has we can see, he changes his setup deppending the surface. This makes a lot of sence.
Hope I can get more info.
Regards.

travlerajm · Oct 19, 2006

Thanks, ART ART!

These specs are believable. If you assume a polarized weight distribution (because his tension is low), it means that his estimated SW would be in the low 370s.

SFrazeur · Oct 19, 2006

ART ART said:
So, this has got even better!
I only check Fed's racket once at Paris, the other time I could only see what was labelled on the wilson bags.
But right now, I am not in Madrid but a friend of mine sent me a message with Fed's Racket specs there, with overgrip, power pads and string, so here it goes:
Weight: 368grams, Balance: 31,2cm, Strung at 23/21 Kilos, acording to this friend of mine that work there. Sorry but don't ask me his name or function there.
Has we can see, he changes his setup deppending the surface. This makes a lot of sence.
Hope I can get more info.
Regards.

Balance: 31,2cm? Could someone explain to be how to convert this to points HL?

alan-n · Oct 19, 2006

SFrazeur said:
Balance: 31,2cm? Could someone explain to be how to convert this to points HL?

I have a balance board next to my stringing machine... 31.2cm is 12pts head light.

alan-n · Oct 19, 2006

A strung off the shelf tour 90 with gut/ALU hybrid stringing and overgrip comes out to be 361 grams and about 9 pts head light..... Now if I were to add 10 grams to the handle area it would weigh the same as Federer's racquet and balanced at 12 pts head light. Not that I care about what exact setup Federer is using, but those numbers give credibility to Greg's posting of Federer's racquet. Just add 10 grams to the handle and voila.

alan-n · Oct 19, 2006

jackson vile said:
It costs way more money to make 2 different types of rackets rather than one, and Roger's is a different mold all thogether.

Are you referring to the racquet mold or the handle area? Its not uncommon for racquets to be sent to racquet technicians such as Nate Ferguson etc to mold a custom handle. So far all the current pics of Federer's actual NCode and the one that was sent to Greg looks like it came off the same racquet mold as the off the shelf 6.1 Tour 90.

pham4313 · Oct 19, 2006

(34.4-31.4)*8/2.54 ~ 9.4 pts HL

jackson vile · Oct 19, 2006

alan-n said:
Are you referring to the racquet mold or the handle area? Its not uncommon for racquets to be sent to racquet technicians such as Nate Ferguson etc to mold a custom handle. So far all the current pics of Federer's actual NCode and the one that was sent to Greg looks like it came off the same racquet mold as the off the shelf 6.1 Tour 90.

Roger's racket is 88sqin, string patter is different, and pallet is different which can not be customized to have that shape, it would have to be originally molded that way. IE you can not make a stock n6.190 into Roger's racket, end of story.

It is just plain silly that people believe this BS, when the n90 was made by and for Roger, further more it makes no sense that they would not sell the exact same racket if it has the exact same specs, finally Roger him self said that Priority 1 customizes his rackets with different weights and Priority one confirmed this all of which I have sited the original text in the links.

So this is not up for debate as it is confirmed 100% fact

Myth or Reality? Federer plays with a low swingweight

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