The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
Would that make you go away?
'WADA goes rogue': Meldonium was a fund-raising drive!!!
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ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
May be he can start his own forum and be able to employ an SS-like policing of who posts what. Possibly also try and control what people think.
Laughable is not the word
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You don't have to be a 'fan' to be interested in a tennis-related issue.
I have a rather long history of being interested in this kind of quasi-legal drama.
It's a bit like watching 'Witness for the Prosecution' for the first time.
I have a rather long history of being interested in this kind of quasi-legal drama.
It's a bit like watching 'Witness for the Prosecution' for the first time.
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
Yeah, he's got this weird obsession with policing what people post, like only topics that he's interested in should be allowed. Guy should really grow up and get a life.
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
He appears to be an adult physically - but most certainly not mentally
ArcspacE
G.O.A.T.
Unpaid?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
This is not your personal blog where you can create a thread to defend Sharapova or smear WADA every other day. It gets old pretty fast
She cheated and got caught. End of. More of these threads is not going to convince anyone who's already taken a side of the contrary
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
People create numerous threads on the same topic day after day with little variation.
I only create threads when something new and important happens and I've created very few ever.
This is the best contribution I've seen on this topic and if you refuse to read it that's your choice.
I only create threads when something new and important happens and I've created very few ever.
This is the best contribution I've seen on this topic and if you refuse to read it that's your choice.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
This itself shows that the writer and the OP have not done their homework or are trying to twist facts.
It is very clear in the WADA rule book which has been quoted before in other threads, and brought to the esteemed OP's attention, that TWO of the THREE criteria need to be met.
Not all three.
EDIT: actually the link has it correct, but the OP tries to make it look like all three.
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
Testify!
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Hilarious. Well done.It is always a hazard to guess in what state Barti is.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Let's look at the clever editing or fact twisting here by the OP.
Reading this, one would think that WADA has listed out their activities in numerical order in order of how much funding they give. According to the linked article:
So the writer (and OP) have taken a list of activities and ASSUMED that it is in order of how much funding they do.
WOW !!
This is why the OP never used to give the link when created threads, He would just quote what suited him leaving the rest out.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
From the linked article:
Yeah, so hundreds of athletes, in fact entire teams are taking a drug that is just a placebo for years !!
If that is not stupidity, what is ?
Either it is a placebo, and they are all stupid, their federations and doctors are all stupid.
Or maybe they are onto something and know it.
You don't administer a drug to dozens of athletes for years and NOT notice whether their is a clear effect or not.
Yeah, so hundreds of athletes, in fact entire teams are taking a drug that is just a placebo for years !!
If that is not stupidity, what is ?
Either it is a placebo, and they are all stupid, their federations and doctors are all stupid.
Or maybe they are onto something and know it.
You don't administer a drug to dozens of athletes for years and NOT notice whether their is a clear effect or not.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I can't say that's your finest argumentative moment - you are just speculating.
Just stick to the proposition that the ban will be lifted and everyone will have to accept she didn't cheat.
I think they'll have good reason to accept that she could not have cheated.
You don't have to accept those reasons, just the fact she did not cheat.
Just stick to the proposition that the ban will be lifted and everyone will have to accept she didn't cheat.
I think they'll have good reason to accept that she could not have cheated.
You don't have to accept those reasons, just the fact she did not cheat.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
From the article:
Maybe because it does not provide an unfair advantage ?
By this logic, anti-biotics should be tackled by WADA, and perhaps junk food, too.
All athletes should be forced to live holistic lives, surviving only on herbal medicines and grandma's chicken soup broth, is that it ? Or maybe they should all go vegan too ?
LOL, this article is half-serious at best. I don't doubt that organizations are clean and completely devoid of corruption, or politics, but to completely diss it in this way seems to be going too far.
Maybe because it does not provide an unfair advantage ?
By this logic, anti-biotics should be tackled by WADA, and perhaps junk food, too.
All athletes should be forced to live holistic lives, surviving only on herbal medicines and grandma's chicken soup broth, is that it ? Or maybe they should all go vegan too ?
LOL, this article is half-serious at best. I don't doubt that organizations are clean and completely devoid of corruption, or politics, but to completely diss it in this way seems to be going too far.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
No, we will just accept that she got free on a legal loophole.
And the author of the linked article is also given her opinion based on some selected facts, or even hearsay.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
You will have noticed that I did not include this section of the article in my summary.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
The good thing that this whole incident has brought up -- even if all the current lot of meldonium users is acquitted -- is that people in large numbers supported by their states, are finding all kinds of medical/pharmacological (thanks Bart for that long word) means to elude the drug testers, and get an edge on others.
Drug takers will always remain years ahead of drug testing if WADA has so spend years doing research on thousands of people to find out higher limits of excretion times, and wait years to find long term impact etc etc.
By the time, WADA has done it's research drug takers will have moved on to something new, and then WADA will have to spend a decade satisfying everyone's requirements to show they have done "the science".
Has the manufacturer itself submitted proof that the drug is safe in the first place ?
Drug takers will always remain years ahead of drug testing if WADA has so spend years doing research on thousands of people to find out higher limits of excretion times, and wait years to find long term impact etc etc.
By the time, WADA has done it's research drug takers will have moved on to something new, and then WADA will have to spend a decade satisfying everyone's requirements to show they have done "the science".
Has the manufacturer itself submitted proof that the drug is safe in the first place ?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
And now you are the conspiracy theorist.
Meldonium is a cheap over the counter medication that cash-strapped East Europeans have been using for want of anything better.
It's about as far from scientifically advanced, state supported drugging as you can get.
Meldonium is an antique drug with no great effect that a global bureaucracy just decided to ban for essentially political reasons.
And they killed Bambi in the process.
Meldonium is a cheap over the counter medication that cash-strapped East Europeans have been using for want of anything better.
It's about as far from scientifically advanced, state supported drugging as you can get.
Meldonium is an antique drug with no great effect that a global bureaucracy just decided to ban for essentially political reasons.
And they killed Bambi in the process.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
When did I deny that ?
I believe i have been saying all along that Maria will get by on the legal loophole of excretion time.
Can she provide reports to show she has actually been having arrhythmia over the years. Can she allow herself to be given an EKG (or whatever the test is) to prove she has arrhythmia at this time ?
Can her doctor show that there was no other drug that was FDA approved that she could have taken that was NOT in WADA's banned list ?
If she does that, then I am willing to agree that she had grounds to take the medicine. Otherwise, I believe Maria is a healthy person and was taking the drug for PE usage, and continued to take it for ten years since she clearly saw a benefit.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Oh, so you are pushing the onus of proving a drug is unsafe on WADA first, and not on the manufacturer. Wow ! Do you even realize what this will entail for WADA.
You seem to be on the side of drug testers !
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Oh wow, Bart, not your best moment either.
Entire teams being pulled out -- does this not suggest state involvement ? Or am i to take it that each individual in several teams individually did his research and stumbled upon this meldonium and decided to try it out.
Wow ! What a conspiracy theorist I am for seeing clearly what is going on.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
And now you are trying to re-write history, just like Stalin.
No wonder you've changed your avatar to a photo of Brezhnev!
Welcome to the revolution, comrade.
No wonder you've changed your avatar to a photo of Brezhnev!
Welcome to the revolution, comrade.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Making things up, eh Bart.
Even if for a moment we agree that I said that Maria will not get off the hook (which I clearly did not) and now i say she will, how is that rewriting history.
You are only as usual misquoting, one of your great talents, something you have honed to perfection.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Yes, but I've been told her furry thing is extra nice.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Whatever you think, Barty, suit yourself. I don;t have a clue whom you are referring to. Maybe I am just imagining that several teams were withdrawn. There was even a thread about "Russia pulls out ...". Maybe I imagined that thread as well.
perhaps i should order some meldonium, it may improve these hallucinations
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
So do you also now believe that Sharapova is innocent?
Yes, but I've been told her furry thing is extra nice.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The teams pulled out to make the point clear to WADA that although they were no longer taking Meldonium that they would still test positive because of the lengthy excretion time.
Whatever you think, Barty, suit yourself. I don;t have a clue whom you are referring to. Maybe I am just imagining that several teams were withdrawn. There was even a thread about "Russia pulls out ...". Maybe I imagined that thread as well.
perhaps i should order some meldonium, it may improve these hallucinations
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
stop this circumlocution, Bart. Don;t misquote me and then make me search through my posts.
If at all, I have been of the opinion that Maria will get off the hook. My earlier post on this issue said something like "I hope she gets off soon". You are concocting stuff up and trying to wrap me in words.
Now this is your second manuevre : change the topic and try to make everyone try to prove some other point. It is of NO consequence whether I think Maria will or will not get off the hook. This is just a clever deflection by you, but i have seen it so often that i wont fall for it.
The main issue, lets get back to it, is that she is guilty, she cheated. Let's stick to this.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
At least you admit that entire teams were administered a drug for heart disease.
Hopefully in time to come you will also accept the rest of post 75 and not think it is a conspiracy theory.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
And now you sound like a cheap politician trying to wriggle out of a pre-election commitment.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
So at least now Bart's stand is clear:
"Cash strapped" nations can keep creating drugs, and giving them to children and athletes en masse and WADA has to do all the testing to prove that the drugs are unsafe. If the manufacturer has no money to test his drugs, then it is by default safe.
Not Bart's finest moment, I think. But he'll come out with a clever deflection in moments.
"Cash strapped" nations can keep creating drugs, and giving them to children and athletes en masse and WADA has to do all the testing to prove that the drugs are unsafe. If the manufacturer has no money to test his drugs, then it is by default safe.
Not Bart's finest moment, I think. But he'll come out with a clever deflection in moments.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
What commitment have i made in my opinion of whether Maria will be let off nor not.
You are only desperately trying to deflect from the main issue of Maria's guilt.
NICE TRY, Bart. Pat on the back for you from your bosses for unflagging dedication to The Great Cause.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Did you not understand the significance of the small word 'like' im my sentence or do figures of speech not exist in your world?
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
No. I believe that she is extra furry.
Tennisanity
Legend
Yes, but I've been told her furry thing is extra nice.
What furry thing?
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Who is that handsome fellow in your avatar?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
So when did you first claim Sharapova was innocent of doping?
No. I believe that she is extra furry.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Her moustache? I have no idea...
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