Tennis_Hands
Banned
You seem to want WADA to fight doping the same way the aboriginal population of South America fought the Conquistadors.
WADA admits meldonium not performance enhancing
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You seem to want WADA to fight doping the same way the aboriginal population of South America fought the Conquistadors.
tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
Just more of your endless deflection.... Do you agree with CAS in that WADA did not sufficiently notify Kutrovsky? CAS panel was quite clear in their belief.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Oh, I thought that your claim was about people that do not dope.
Or are you suddenly having an "Eureca!" moment that you can concentrate on the WADA procedures?
tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
-- "These new rules are so draconian that it makes it almost impossible to live a normal life. … I support drug testing and strongly condemn any use of drugs in sport, but there has to be a more realistic and practical way to deal with the problem with tennis players." Andy Murray, 2009
I'm coming to believe hands might be one of the clueless few outside WADA that recognize the current system yet support the status quo.
I'm coming to believe hands might be one of the clueless few outside WADA that recognize the current system yet support the status quo.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
As for your remarks about the CAS stance on the WADA guidelines:
"No matter what he did in this respect, he would have never found the Specified
Substance on the WADA Prohibited List as it is unfortunately not on the list as
labelled. In this respect, the responsibility for this must be attributed not to him but
rather to (i) WADA for not ensuring that the Prohibited List contains the
appropriate level of detail for common supplement additives (WADA is or at least
should be aware of the many examples in CAS jurisprudence and in the market), and
(ii) manufacturers for not using, perhaps deliberately, the substance’s chemical name
as listed by WADA on the product’s label."
However:
Section 9.52 states explicitly why he is not excused, DESPITE of WADA's shortcomings.
You should have a good look at it before vouching for him.
"No matter what he did in this respect, he would have never found the Specified
Substance on the WADA Prohibited List as it is unfortunately not on the list as
labelled. In this respect, the responsibility for this must be attributed not to him but
rather to (i) WADA for not ensuring that the Prohibited List contains the
appropriate level of detail for common supplement additives (WADA is or at least
should be aware of the many examples in CAS jurisprudence and in the market), and
(ii) manufacturers for not using, perhaps deliberately, the substance’s chemical name
as listed by WADA on the product’s label."
However:
Section 9.52 states explicitly why he is not excused, DESPITE of WADA's shortcomings.
You should have a good look at it before vouching for him.
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Tennis_Hands
Banned
I have repeatedly invited now you and your new idol to propose a working solution to this problem.
It is clear that his propositions don't do that, so where is this radical new approach?
Why don't you propose a better solution?
tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
sigh. Exactly. WADA writes the rules and has a free pass for anything in which they are negligent. It's as if a local police department tweeted rules re: handicapped parking regs and then went around towing unknowing violators without a Twitter account.However:
Section 9.52 states explicitly why he is not excused, DESPITE of WADA's shortcomings.
You should have a good look at it before vouching for him.
You'd be screaming to "it's the rules! read your tweets" Thankfully most hold government bureaucracies to better standards.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Sigh, you were arguing that there is no doping in tennis, that is why WADA is basically useless
Now you changed you tune to WADA is evil, that is why WADA should not be.
I know that your online idol has some influence over people like you, but you should at least follow your own situation.
For an umpteeenth time: where is your solution?
Why don't you have an answer, if the problem is so easily solved?
tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
Doping with steroids is virtually nonexistent in tennis. You've been brainwashed. They're going after mosquitoes with shotguns.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Good that you needed a ten year rule to prove your point and even then you couldn't hold onto it.
Where is your solution of the problem?
Come on, I thought it is easy!
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Too bad I apparently need to repeat it again: whether or not a substance is indeed performance enhancing (which quite often happens to be sort of a placebo-effect anyway) is totally irrelevant.
Marihuana is on the WADA-list, need I say more? Even more, so is CAFFEINE. Yep - cups of coffee. When you're a top/decent level mindsports player (which I happen to be), you are allowed to have two cups of espresso at the max.
And yes, we have to pee in a cup after a tournament, too...
Marihuana is on the WADA-list, need I say more? Even more, so is CAFFEINE. Yep - cups of coffee. When you're a top/decent level mindsports player (which I happen to be), you are allowed to have two cups of espresso at the max.
And yes, we have to pee in a cup after a tournament, too...
tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
What's the tennis problem? One steroid violation in past 10 years; 10x that many banned for non issues.
Tennis simply doesn't have the physical demands of say track, cycling, swimming, etc. More a technique, strategic game with short bursts of energy.
tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
No argument re why on the list. Only in that it demonstrates that tennis players are getting caught up in trivial issues due to some drinking the cool aid
Actually US professional leagues have worked with players to develop a useful system that protects player's rights AND the integrity of the sport.
mellowyellow
Legend
The game could become even more about talent if they limit the equipment and increase surface disparity... It would further quell the "need" to dope. The OsWADA will always be behind, they have no intent or plan of action to stop the next generation by educating them in their formative years. No different than the governments failed attempts to stop crime at the end source... Perfect business model
Tennis_Hands
Banned
You do realize that you have compared tennis to criminal activity, right?
Unfortunately, such talk is usual for those, who have nothing to lose, and who generally know that what they want is unlikely to happen, so they get a free pass to ***** endlessly.
Besides, the thinking displayed by some individuals here is beyond belief, expecting anyone else to do everything for them (WADA, the government, the Pope and Dopingapova have to educate them) like that.
Basically you condone recklessness and ignorance and use it to to bash on organizations that are at least trying to address some issues (although not perfect).
Unfortunately, such talk is usual for those, who have nothing to lose, and who generally know that what they want is unlikely to happen, so they get a free pass to ***** endlessly.
Besides, the thinking displayed by some individuals here is beyond belief, expecting anyone else to do everything for them (WADA, the government, the Pope and Dopingapova have to educate them) like that.
Basically you condone recklessness and ignorance and use it to to bash on organizations that are at least trying to address some issues (although not perfect).
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mellowyellow
Legend
I like a system based off of this. Umbrella organizations that are funded by multiple governments will always fail. The Integrity has been lossed long ago. WADA can in no way guarantee the legitimacy of any records since its birth. I mean come on... Nadal, Djoko, Ferrer, Murray, '09 Nando, RodDick... Serena, Stosur, Kerber, Henin, Kuznetsova, Errani... GTFOH!!!
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
WADA says Meldonium is not a PED except if you define a PED in postmodern terms as 'anything that turns you on, baby', which is apparently enough for WADA.
Strangely enough, the public think of PEDs as dangerous stuff like the so-called 'ice epidemic'. WADA thinks a PED can be a soda pop for East Europeans.
The beauty of American football and baseball is that they don't have to follow WADA's stupidity. Their doping regime seem to be in-house, although that means they are lax by comparison
Meanwhile Putin has swung into public action:
Russian President Vladimir Putin held Russia’s Ministry of Sport liable for the latest doping scandal linked to the use of Meldonium by some Russian athletes and sharply criticized it for failing to react in a timely manner to the ban of some drugs.
Russian sports authorities “failed to understand the urgency of this issue and did not update [Russian] stop-lists in time and did not inform our athletes and coaches about the World Anti-Doping Agency’s decision to ban some drugs in a timely manner,” Putin said at a meeting with the Cabinet, as quoted by Russian media.
Strangely enough, the public think of PEDs as dangerous stuff like the so-called 'ice epidemic'. WADA thinks a PED can be a soda pop for East Europeans.
The beauty of American football and baseball is that they don't have to follow WADA's stupidity. Their doping regime seem to be in-house, although that means they are lax by comparison
Meanwhile Putin has swung into public action:
Russian President Vladimir Putin held Russia’s Ministry of Sport liable for the latest doping scandal linked to the use of Meldonium by some Russian athletes and sharply criticized it for failing to react in a timely manner to the ban of some drugs.
Russian sports authorities “failed to understand the urgency of this issue and did not update [Russian] stop-lists in time and did not inform our athletes and coaches about the World Anti-Doping Agency’s decision to ban some drugs in a timely manner,” Putin said at a meeting with the Cabinet, as quoted by Russian media.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
NYT has some interesting detail from one expert:
Eliasch said WADA should have set acceptable levels for the drug to allow for its legitimate medical use instead of banning it outright. In his statement, Eliasch said it was “common ground within the scientific community” that for meldonium to have a performance-enhancing effect, “it has to be taken in daily dosages of 1,000 to 2,000 milligrams.”
Haggerty has said Sharapova’s usage was far below the performance-enhancing levels.
Conclusion: Sharapova did not take a PED, but due to WADA's draconian (Murray) or criminalising (Nadal) regime she will get banned.
Eliasch said WADA should have set acceptable levels for the drug to allow for its legitimate medical use instead of banning it outright. In his statement, Eliasch said it was “common ground within the scientific community” that for meldonium to have a performance-enhancing effect, “it has to be taken in daily dosages of 1,000 to 2,000 milligrams.”
Haggerty has said Sharapova’s usage was far below the performance-enhancing levels.
Conclusion: Sharapova did not take a PED, but due to WADA's draconian (Murray) or criminalising (Nadal) regime she will get banned.
newpball
Legend
tennisfan2015
Hall of Fame
One of the world’s best female tennis players, Maria Sharapova, has been suspended, because a medicine she has been taking legally under a doctor’s prescription for ten years was suddenly retroactively declared to be a prohibited substance that is a “metabolic modulator.”
The medicine, known as mildronate and also as meldonium in its banned name, has been in medical use for thirty years. Its inventor declared that the prohibition of mildronate “is a crime” and will lead to deaths among athletes. He says that it has not been proven that the medicine enhances athlete performance, but it does protect their hearts from over-exertion.
Mildronate is used to treat heart problems, magnesium deficiency and diabetes. Sharapova suffers from magnesium deficiency. There is diabetes in her family history, and doctors saw signs that she was developing the disease.
The medicine is not designed to improve athletic performance. However, the medicine does protect athletes’ hearts as they push to their limits. Apparently it is this aspect of the medicine that caused the World Anti-Doping Agency to conclude that the medicine facilitates recovery from exertion and, thereby, enhances physical capabilities.
It is immaterial to my point whether the medicine’s inventor or WADA is correct. My point is that for a widely used legal sustance to be put on a prohibited list for athletes, there should first be public discussion.
If the decision to prohibit the medicine is shown to be warranted, there should be enough advanced notice provided so that athletes using the medicine for health reasons such as diabetes or magnesium deficiency, or to protect their heart from failing under exertion, have time to clear their bodies of traces.
This was not done. The medicine was added to the prohibited list on January 1 under the name of meldonium, a name that Sharapova did not recognize.
‘No Evidence Whatsoever’ Sharapova Used Banned Substance Intentionally
Even if she had been aware that her medicine had been banned, there was not sufficient time between January 1 and the January Australian Open for her to be clear of the substance. WADA’s decision was made in a way that guaranteed that Sharapova would fail the test, a test she has always passed in her rise to dominance of women’s tennis. Other than WADA’s incompetence, it is difficult to read this other than WADA accepted a bribe to eliminate Sharapova from the Australian Open and subsequent events.
Examining this matter from the standpoint of the facts, it is unclear whether WADA consists of a bunch of incompetent and inconsiderate dopes who were unaware of the medicinal use of meldonium, or whether this is an orchestrated stunt to cast more discredit on Russia and Russian athletes.
Perhaps what we are witnessing is an attempt on the part of less capable American and Europeans to move aside dominant Russian athletes in order to be able to capture their lucrative endorsements. Nike, Tag Heuer, and Porsche suspended their contracts with Sharapova. Such cowardly behavior speaks poorly of the integrity of the three companies. The absence of loyalty and support that the companies have showed to their star associate raises questions about the character of the company’s managements and the quality of their products.
As the record proves that Sharapova’s use of the medicine is clearly for medical, not performance, reasons, perhaps she will be reinstated by the International Tennis Federation.
Nevertheless, the Tennis Federation, WADA, and her sponsors have succeeded in messing with her mind. WADA official Dick Pound, who is trying to get Russian athletes banned from the 2016 Olympic Games in Brazil, demonstrated his own lack of integrity when he seized on Sharapova to boost his anti-Russian propaganda, declaring that she was “reckless beyond description” and guilty of “a big mistake.” As there is no justification whatsoever to Pound’s irresponsible assertions, it raises questions about the integrity of WADA itself.
An athlete’s mental state is probably more important to the athlete’s performance than performance-enhancing drugs. I was disappointed to see that even RT misrepresented Sharapova’s situation as “explosive news” that she had “failed a drug test.” She did no such thing! She was trapped, perhaps purposely, by the sudden inclusion under a different name of a medicine she has been taking for a decade under medical supervision.
Until Sharapova is reinstated and defeated in competition, the winner of the Australian Open and other events will know that they owe their hollow victories to the dopes at WADA and the International Tennis Federation who excluded from the competition the world’s best woman tennis player, because of the medicine she takes for her medical condition, without giving her any notice that she could no longer take the medicine and compete in tennis events.
I remember from my studies of post-Roman Europe that various rulers to the extent that they could mint coins featured the Roman Emperor on the coins, not themselves. The reason for this, I was told, is that people associated coinage with Rome and were accustomed to a Roman image. To make their coinage acceptable, petty kings identified it with Rome.
Perhaps this is what we are witnessing today in Russia and China’s acceptance of Western domination. The United States and Europe—the West—comprise the hallmark of approval. Russia and China, despite their independent power, desire this approval. The West knows that Russia and China seek approval and denies it to them as an assertion of the West’s superiority.
It is not Russia and China that destroyed seven countries in the past 15 years. It was Washington and its European vassals. It is not Washington that is accused of human rights violations that are so severe that millions of peoples are fleeing into Europe in order to escape death at the hands of the Americans. It is Russia’s attack on Daesh (Islamic State/ISIS/ISIL) that is blamed for the European refugee problem. It is Russia and China that are accused of human rights violations, not the real perpetrators—Washington and its vassals.
The West uses disapproval as a weapon. Washington disapproved the Sochi Olympics. While Putin was in Sochi, Washington overthrew the government of Ukraine and created a problem for Russia.
Russia May Not Attend Rio Olympics: IAAF, WADA Not Risking Reputation
While Putin was at the Beijing Olympics, Washington gave the go ahead to its Georgian puppet to attack South Osetia and to kill Russian peacekeepers. Certainly, Putin shoud not go to the Brazilian Olympics this year. Washington might overthrow Putin in his absence. Certainly, Washington wants to be rid of Putin, and so do the Russian Atlanticist Integrationists whose sole ambition is to be an approved part of the West. Just as Washington had its Ukranian puppet government lined up to take office once Washington overthrew Yanukovych, Washington has Atlanticist Integrationists lined up as its puppet governemt to take over Russia.
It is ironic that it is the hallmarked West, not the disapproved countries, that is in decline, culurally, morally, spiritually, and economically. Why do Russia, China, India, and every other country free of US imperial domination desire to be associated with a corrupt, immoral, declining part of the world whose economic and political existence depends on extending its hegemony over the remaining productive parts of the world in order to loot the countries for the benefit of the West?
Why are Russia and China concerned that they receive the approval of the West?
The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do notnecessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/columnists/2...-sharapova-mildronate-wada.html#ixzz439Q2ysLV
The medicine, known as mildronate and also as meldonium in its banned name, has been in medical use for thirty years. Its inventor declared that the prohibition of mildronate “is a crime” and will lead to deaths among athletes. He says that it has not been proven that the medicine enhances athlete performance, but it does protect their hearts from over-exertion.
Mildronate is used to treat heart problems, magnesium deficiency and diabetes. Sharapova suffers from magnesium deficiency. There is diabetes in her family history, and doctors saw signs that she was developing the disease.
The medicine is not designed to improve athletic performance. However, the medicine does protect athletes’ hearts as they push to their limits. Apparently it is this aspect of the medicine that caused the World Anti-Doping Agency to conclude that the medicine facilitates recovery from exertion and, thereby, enhances physical capabilities.
It is immaterial to my point whether the medicine’s inventor or WADA is correct. My point is that for a widely used legal sustance to be put on a prohibited list for athletes, there should first be public discussion.
If the decision to prohibit the medicine is shown to be warranted, there should be enough advanced notice provided so that athletes using the medicine for health reasons such as diabetes or magnesium deficiency, or to protect their heart from failing under exertion, have time to clear their bodies of traces.
This was not done. The medicine was added to the prohibited list on January 1 under the name of meldonium, a name that Sharapova did not recognize.
‘No Evidence Whatsoever’ Sharapova Used Banned Substance Intentionally
Even if she had been aware that her medicine had been banned, there was not sufficient time between January 1 and the January Australian Open for her to be clear of the substance. WADA’s decision was made in a way that guaranteed that Sharapova would fail the test, a test she has always passed in her rise to dominance of women’s tennis. Other than WADA’s incompetence, it is difficult to read this other than WADA accepted a bribe to eliminate Sharapova from the Australian Open and subsequent events.
Examining this matter from the standpoint of the facts, it is unclear whether WADA consists of a bunch of incompetent and inconsiderate dopes who were unaware of the medicinal use of meldonium, or whether this is an orchestrated stunt to cast more discredit on Russia and Russian athletes.
Perhaps what we are witnessing is an attempt on the part of less capable American and Europeans to move aside dominant Russian athletes in order to be able to capture their lucrative endorsements. Nike, Tag Heuer, and Porsche suspended their contracts with Sharapova. Such cowardly behavior speaks poorly of the integrity of the three companies. The absence of loyalty and support that the companies have showed to their star associate raises questions about the character of the company’s managements and the quality of their products.
As the record proves that Sharapova’s use of the medicine is clearly for medical, not performance, reasons, perhaps she will be reinstated by the International Tennis Federation.
Nevertheless, the Tennis Federation, WADA, and her sponsors have succeeded in messing with her mind. WADA official Dick Pound, who is trying to get Russian athletes banned from the 2016 Olympic Games in Brazil, demonstrated his own lack of integrity when he seized on Sharapova to boost his anti-Russian propaganda, declaring that she was “reckless beyond description” and guilty of “a big mistake.” As there is no justification whatsoever to Pound’s irresponsible assertions, it raises questions about the integrity of WADA itself.
An athlete’s mental state is probably more important to the athlete’s performance than performance-enhancing drugs. I was disappointed to see that even RT misrepresented Sharapova’s situation as “explosive news” that she had “failed a drug test.” She did no such thing! She was trapped, perhaps purposely, by the sudden inclusion under a different name of a medicine she has been taking for a decade under medical supervision.
Until Sharapova is reinstated and defeated in competition, the winner of the Australian Open and other events will know that they owe their hollow victories to the dopes at WADA and the International Tennis Federation who excluded from the competition the world’s best woman tennis player, because of the medicine she takes for her medical condition, without giving her any notice that she could no longer take the medicine and compete in tennis events.
I remember from my studies of post-Roman Europe that various rulers to the extent that they could mint coins featured the Roman Emperor on the coins, not themselves. The reason for this, I was told, is that people associated coinage with Rome and were accustomed to a Roman image. To make their coinage acceptable, petty kings identified it with Rome.
Perhaps this is what we are witnessing today in Russia and China’s acceptance of Western domination. The United States and Europe—the West—comprise the hallmark of approval. Russia and China, despite their independent power, desire this approval. The West knows that Russia and China seek approval and denies it to them as an assertion of the West’s superiority.
It is not Russia and China that destroyed seven countries in the past 15 years. It was Washington and its European vassals. It is not Washington that is accused of human rights violations that are so severe that millions of peoples are fleeing into Europe in order to escape death at the hands of the Americans. It is Russia’s attack on Daesh (Islamic State/ISIS/ISIL) that is blamed for the European refugee problem. It is Russia and China that are accused of human rights violations, not the real perpetrators—Washington and its vassals.
The West uses disapproval as a weapon. Washington disapproved the Sochi Olympics. While Putin was in Sochi, Washington overthrew the government of Ukraine and created a problem for Russia.
Russia May Not Attend Rio Olympics: IAAF, WADA Not Risking Reputation
While Putin was at the Beijing Olympics, Washington gave the go ahead to its Georgian puppet to attack South Osetia and to kill Russian peacekeepers. Certainly, Putin shoud not go to the Brazilian Olympics this year. Washington might overthrow Putin in his absence. Certainly, Washington wants to be rid of Putin, and so do the Russian Atlanticist Integrationists whose sole ambition is to be an approved part of the West. Just as Washington had its Ukranian puppet government lined up to take office once Washington overthrew Yanukovych, Washington has Atlanticist Integrationists lined up as its puppet governemt to take over Russia.
It is ironic that it is the hallmarked West, not the disapproved countries, that is in decline, culurally, morally, spiritually, and economically. Why do Russia, China, India, and every other country free of US imperial domination desire to be associated with a corrupt, immoral, declining part of the world whose economic and political existence depends on extending its hegemony over the remaining productive parts of the world in order to loot the countries for the benefit of the West?
Why are Russia and China concerned that they receive the approval of the West?
The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do notnecessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/columnists/2...-sharapova-mildronate-wada.html#ixzz439Q2ysLV
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I guess my problem is "why shouldn't athletes be allowed to take medicines that aid in recovery from injuries?" That's probably meldoniums greatest attribute - cytoprotection. Same thing with low dose HGH. We watch these guys train their guts out yet won't allow them supplements to help with healing because that may "enhance performance".
What WADA needs to determine is whether a substance is used for healing and when it is abused for performance and make limits on when these things can be used i.e. no more than 3 weeks before a tournament.
It's ridiculous in my opinion. Half the world takes beneficial supplements to support their health. Yet many of them are banned for WADA's fear that someone gets a tiniest advantage.
What WADA needs to determine is whether a substance is used for healing and when it is abused for performance and make limits on when these things can be used i.e. no more than 3 weeks before a tournament.
It's ridiculous in my opinion. Half the world takes beneficial supplements to support their health. Yet many of them are banned for WADA's fear that someone gets a tiniest advantage.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
WADA has a budget of 25 million so it simply makes decisions to ban drugs on the fly without any possibility of performing this task properly.
It has now put caffeine onto a monitoring list in preparation for a possible ban, so expect more fireworks from this 'draconian' (Murray) monster.
It has now put caffeine onto a monitoring list in preparation for a possible ban, so expect more fireworks from this 'draconian' (Murray) monster.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
WADA says its not a PED except if you define a PED in postmodern terms as 'anything that turns you on, baby', which is apparently enough for WADA.
Strangely enough, the public think of PEDs as dangerous stuff like the so-called 'ice epidemic'. WADA thinks a PED can be a soda pop for East Europeans.
Strangely enough, the public think of PEDs as dangerous stuff like the so-called 'ice epidemic'. WADA thinks a PED can be a soda pop for East Europeans.
tennis_ocd
Hall of Fame
Many things we ingest are to increase performance. By charter, what WADA *should* be banning are short term performance "drugs" that are harmful to the body. (The third criteria is a catch all "spirt of sport" thing.) In this they'd have all athlete's support--no one wants to destroy their body but they want a level, steroid free, playing field.
Like virtually all government bureaucracies that go unchecked, they've moved on from this foundation and are no expanding into areas never intended. In tennis they have all but eradicated steroids and have moved onto other issues to stay relevant. Marijuana bans; really?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Tennis_Hands
Banned
You know that you are digging way past the bottom, when one of the most notorious modern dictators's actions align with your agenda.
And, why is the National federation responsible for the actions of individual top athletes?
It is an indirect admission that the use of the drug was monitored on a state level.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
You buried yourself with this line.
Literally you said: the beauty of not having to conform with strict doping regulation is that everybody can dope as much as he wants.
I also like how you never came out and stated your true beliefs that doping should just be legal ( I guess the libertarians also have to put up with some conventional wisdoms, eh?).
Don't be shy, spit it out!
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I made a whole thread on the topic, dear boy, your reading is lagging your mouth as usual.
You buried yourself with this line.
Literally you said: the beauty of not having to conform with strict doping regulation is that everybody can dope as much as he wants.
I also like how you never came out and stated your true beliefs that doping should just be legal ( I guess the libertarians also have to put up with some conventional wisdoms, eh?).
Don't be shy, spit it out!
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I read your thread.
It is of no more use than your most recent post.
Write the sentence, so that everyone can see it written!
Boy.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Apparently Bartleby is not interested that there is a written record of what he claims that he supports.
Actions speak louder than words.
Actions speak louder than words.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
More evidence of it not being performance enhancing:
However, most doctors today say that meldonium’s effectiveness is questionable.
“We have used it often, especially in cyclic sports, and sometimes in team sports,” says Eduard Bezuglov, doctor of the Russian national football team. “However, its effectiveness is difficult to assess, as it’s rarely used in isolation. In my practice I have never used it, because I believe that it does not provide any benefits. Its theoretical effect is easily achievable through normal sleep and good nutrition.”
In the 1990s, meldonium became popular among Russian athletes due to its low cost. At that time it was practically the only drug that athletes could afford, given the poor overall economic situation in the country.
“We used it during the most difficult microcycles,” Russian swimmer Galina Shipovalova told championat.com during an interview. “I felt its effects. It really became easier to bear the stress and increased stamina.”
However, most doctors today say that meldonium’s effectiveness is questionable.
“We have used it often, especially in cyclic sports, and sometimes in team sports,” says Eduard Bezuglov, doctor of the Russian national football team. “However, its effectiveness is difficult to assess, as it’s rarely used in isolation. In my practice I have never used it, because I believe that it does not provide any benefits. Its theoretical effect is easily achievable through normal sleep and good nutrition.”
In the 1990s, meldonium became popular among Russian athletes due to its low cost. At that time it was practically the only drug that athletes could afford, given the poor overall economic situation in the country.
“We used it during the most difficult microcycles,” Russian swimmer Galina Shipovalova told championat.com during an interview. “I felt its effects. It really became easier to bear the stress and increased stamina.”
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Why do you think it is banned?
The Fedfather
Legend
Shipovalova told that use of meldonium increased her stamina. If what she said is true then meldonium is a performance-enhancing drug by definition, that much is obvious.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
As the evidence mounts , so will the absurdity of the argument.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
She, the producer of the drug, the medical stuff of the athletes and anything that ever had to do with the drug are irrelevant in the face of Barthi's revelations.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
When I drink a coffee I think I can run around the block ten times, but fortunately I know I can't.
When a doctor gives a patient a sugar pill and tells them they'll feel better, they do feel better.
What people report and what is true are two different things.
When a doctor gives a patient a sugar pill and tells them they'll feel better, they do feel better.
What people report and what is true are two different things.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Bart is trying to avoid having to take down all the Sharapova posters in his bachelor pad and replace them with posters of Kim Jong Un.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
barltby, let's just stipulate it's not performance enhancing+++.
You can bring it up at the Swiss Federal Tribunal after CAS tells Pova it's not an issue for the arbitrators. Assuming her lawyers go down this road which is a bit of an alternative theory to taking it for medical reasons.
+++From WADA memo dated Sept 15: "Meldonium (Mildronate) was added because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance."
You can bring it up at the Swiss Federal Tribunal after CAS tells Pova it's not an issue for the arbitrators. Assuming her lawyers go down this road which is a bit of an alternative theory to taking it for medical reasons.
+++From WADA memo dated Sept 15: "Meldonium (Mildronate) was added because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance."
mellowyellow
Legend
It's kind of weird, it's on the list but no evidence as to why. It could be one of the few times they could be challenged for wreck less conduct and for intentions. Why wasn't a limit merely placed on it in light of no PE evidence? I hope this is the start of something big, and they are made to justify their actions not just now but from here on. The 3rd all encompassing criteria needs to be examined and actually defined. Hopefully Russia, Head and anyone else voice their concerns on their action, not the specific case... Sound reasoning does not lead one to the conclusion that WADA came too, not when they leave T3 out off the list.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I check whether my thories are right by the end result.
So, if
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Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
I haven't looked into many of the WADA specific issues that animate some other posters.
The three criteria do seem broad and flexible but obviously by design for what I think many would call a "cat and mouse game" with doping.
I don't know when WADA says as it did on the "modifications list and explanatory notes" dated Sept 16, 2015 with respect to Meldonium "was added because of evidence of its use by athletes with intention of enhancing performance" which two criteria of the three possible they are addressing.
Criteria # 3 does appear to be almost a catch-all so you really only ever need one of the other two. Take your pick. I don't know from the WADA statement above which of the two they are placing it in.
I also don't know if internally it's spelled out more but if they are going to adhere to the goal of transparency they should make it publicly available.
I don't think a tribunal or CAS will interfere with the composition of the list.
Yes, stakeholders can voice their concerns and if WADA is not responsive then stakeholders can take their chips and leave.
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Best meldonium case so far: Russia's entire U18 hockey team for the upcoming U18 World Championships has been exchanged - with the U17 team...
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/d...ian-u18-team-replaced-at-world-championships/
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/d...ian-u18-team-replaced-at-world-championships/
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Here is the news on RSport (in russian):
http://rsport.ru/hockey/20160406/911083620.html
Either this is a case of doping with the knowledge of the state, or the russians are intentionally sacrificing their own athletes in an effort to prove something (or create impression of something).
There is another possibility: all these athletes (and everybody that helps them) are dumb beyond belief.
I am dying laughing as I imagine Barti sweating while thinking about his next (without a doubt) post concerning WADA's war.
PrinceMoron
Legend
Melt down
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