WADA admits meldonium not performance enhancing

[Bartelby]

WADA issued a statement on March 7 about the banning of meldonium and cited one ground only:

Meldonium was added [to the Prohibited List] because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance.’

In other words, if athletes think a drug may be beneficial then that is enough reason to ban it.

 

[Levi_Ackerman]

 

[reaper]

I know you're obsessed, but you've contrived an implication that simply isn't there.

 

[Bartelby]

You can not argue that it is performance enhancing if you do not clearly state that is your belief. And they explicitly do not state it. This is moreover their only brief official statement.

They are only relying here on epidemiological research as to its widespread usage and if they were confident of its pharmacology profile they would have relied on that research.

Many independent scientists have stated it has few if any performance benefits, so the absence of any reliance on contrary research in this statement supports that view.

 

[citybert]

WADA issued a statement on March 7 about the banning of meldonium and cited one ground only:

Meldonium was added [to the Prohibited List] because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance.’

In other words, if athletes think a drug may be beneficial then that is enough reason to ban it.

Thanks do you have the link? Also,did they say what doses? some athletes take PEDs at the level a horse would t create an effect and dodge tests

Doesnt wada also test for testosterone level? Altho yes that can easlity be brought down with yet another drug.

 

[Bartelby]

This is the full statement on their website and moreover when you punch meldonium in their search bar this statement is all you get:

WADA Statement regarding Maria Sharapova Case
‘WADA is aware of the ongoing, and highly publicized, case concerning tennis player, Maria Sharapova. As is our normal process, and in order to protect the integrity of the case, WADA will refrain from commenting further until a decision has been issued by the International Tennis Federation (ITF). Following that, WADA will review the reasons for the decision and subsequently decide whether or not to use its independent right of appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

We can confirm that meldonium was added to the 2016 Prohibited List which took effect on 1 January 2016, having previously been on WADA’s monitoring program for the duration of 2015.

Meldonium was added [to the Prohibited List] because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance.’

 

[Bartelby]

It's obvious that when they intervene via appeal they may choose to use pharmacological research, but it's significant that it is not mentioned here as a reason for its addition.

Maybe someone knows where one can find a WADA document explaining in greater detail the reasons for the ban?

 

[mistik]

It is pretty clear that it has positives effect in performance. Who in their right mind believes Sharapova and tons of other sports people use it for diabetes or heart conditions. Sharapova case is also eye opener that many sports people can use drugs and act like it was legal in their times. Sharapova despite great PR sucess is a doper. Her intention was very clear even before 2016 to improve performance with a drug. Couldnt care less it was legal before January. Her intention speak for itself.

 

[Bartelby]

You obviously have more expertise than me, so where is the WADA document that explains the ban so we can argue with the facts as they present them?

 

[mellowyellow]

It is pretty clear that it has positives effect in performance. Who in their right mind believes Sharapova and tons of other sports people use it for diabetes or heart conditions. Sharapova case is also eye opener that many sports people can use drugs and act like it was legal in their times. Sharapova despite great PR sucess is a doper. Her intention was very clear even before 2016 to improve performance with a drug. Couldnt care less it was legal before January. Her intention speak for itself.

This is wrong. Your premise is that no athletes could possibly need or have a legit medical reason to use it. You along with OsWADA Bin Laden ASSUME all are guilty with no scientific evidence based on sports testing and it failing to meet their own set criteria. Lead by example or you don't lead at all even if you think you are.

 

[mellowyellow]

You obviously have more expertise than me, so where is the WADA document that explains the ban so we can argue with the facts as they present them?

Isn't it strange no journal or research paper has been brought forth in OsWADA favor to support by their claim?

 

[mistik]

This is wrong. Your premise is that no athletes could possibly need or have a legit medical reason to use it. You along with OsWADA Bin Laden ASSUME all are guilty with no scientific evidence based on sports testing and it failing to meet their own set criteria. Lead by example or you don't lead at all even if you think you are.

True some athletes can need medical reason to use something but in Sharapovas case it is difficult to believe she took it because of diabetes or heart problems. There for ı think her intention was to improve her performance with a drug. Which is a SHAME.

 

[Bartelby]

The reality is that if Sharapova has documentation for what she is claiming she will get a Therapeutic Use Exemption.

And the fact is as well that WADA does not have enough evidence to suggest meldonium is performance enhancing.

 

[mellowyellow]

True some athletes can need medical reason to use something but in Sharapovas case it is difficult to believe she took it because of diabetes or heart problems. There for ı think her intention was to improve her performance with a drug. Which is a SHAME.

Right, but this isn't a Sharapova thread. This is about WADA and their glaring shortcomings.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

Meldonium was added [to the Prohibited List] because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance.’

In other words, if athletes think a drug may be beneficial then that is enough reason to ban it.

Nope, that's your - highly convenient, I may add - interpretation of it. WADA only appear to be distinguishing use of meldonium for performance enhancement vis-a-vis use for health reasons (which may explain why Team Sharapova has been playing that line from the beginning as it's their best bet to get her off quickly). Whether WADA is right or not in banning meldonium is a separate topic but the reason why they banned it is not what you claimed it is.

 

[mellowyellow]

Nope, that's your - highly convenient, I may add - interpretation of it. WADA only appear to be distinguishing use of meldonium for performance enhancement vis-a-vis use for health reasons (which may explain why Team Sharapova has been playing that line from the beginning as it's their best bet to get her off quickly). Whether WADA is right or not in banning meldonium is a separate topic but the reason why they banned it is not what you claimed it is.

So what is the reason?

 

[Bartelby]

'evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance'.

- there is no distinction made between health and performance here

- there is no mention of pharmacological evidence of enhanced performance

- there is only mention made of the fact that it's used with a specific intention

There is no doubt that this drug is useful for cardiac patients and there is no doubt that some use it with another intention, but there is no linkage made to actual enhancement.

This corresponds to what other experts say - the effect of the drug on performance is negligible. They are taking placebos, not PEDs.

 

[Dolgopolov85]

So what is the reason?

Because they - WADA - think it is performance enhancing. Whether they are right in that belief is not for me to say. But Bartelby's interpretation of the word 'intention' in WADA's statement is completely off base, sorry.

 

[sureshs]

Some people eat rhino's horn and shark fin and frog testicles thinking they are aphrodisiacs. I suppose that proves that they are aphrodisiacs.

I suspect something shady is going on at the higher levels of WADA and decisions are being made due to political reasons and not medical ones.

 

[tennis_pro]

Why is it banned, then?

 

[Bartelby]

They don't think it's performance enhancing. They say it is used with the intention of enhancing performance.

Because they - WADA - think it is performance enhancing. Whether they are right in that belief is not for me to say. But Bartelby's interpretation of the word 'intention' in WADA's statement is completely off base, sorry.

 

[Bartelby]

The only official reason claimed here for its banning is based on evidence that shows athletes use it and that they think it helps them.

Why is it banned, then?

 

[sureshs]

The only official reason claimed here for it banning is based on evidence that shows athletes think it helps them.

The real reason is that when you create a quasi-government bureaucracy, it has to find things to do in order to justify its existence.

 

[Bartelby]

Bureaucracies do indeed have a tendency to engage in 'mission creep'.

I can't even find any report on their site explaining the reason for the ban.

So if someone knows where this can be found they should provide a link.

 

[mellowyellow]

Because they - WADA - think it is performance enhancing. Whether they are right in that belief is not for me to say. But Bartelby's interpretation of the word 'intention' in WADA's statement is completely off base, sorry.

They think that based off of the use not scientific evidence. I don't see your argument.

 

[clayqueen]

WADA issued a statement on March 7 about the banning of meldonium and cited one ground only:

Meldonium was added [to the Prohibited List] because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance.’

In other words, if athletes think a drug may be beneficial then that is enough reason to ban it.

Dream on.

Maria Sharapova’s meldonium doping scandal, explained
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/9/11187168/sharapova-meldonium-doping-explainer

 

[jm1980]

WADA issued a statement on March 7 about the banning of meldonium and cited one ground only:

Meldonium was added [to the Prohibited List] because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance.’

In other words, if athletes think a drug may be beneficial then that is enough reason to ban it.

For athletes, meldonium's cardiac effects can help maximize endurance and speed up recovery from the demands of training and competition. A study in the journal Drug Testing and Analysis on the use of meldonium in professional sports found that the drug can lead to "increased endurance performance of athletes, improved rehabilitation after exercise, protection against stress, and enhanced activations of central nervous system (CNS) functions."

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Bartelby's posting performance is substandard. Somebody give the guy some Meldonium.

 

[sureshs]

These are the words in the paper:

In the present study, the existing evidence of Mildronate's usage in sport, which is arguably not (exclusively) based on medicinal reasons, is corroborated by unequivocal analytical data allowing the estimation of the prevalence and extent of misuse in professional sports.

The paper is about detection of the drug, not its benefits. The phrase "arguably not (exclusively)" shows ambiguity and imprecision. The paper assumes that athletes are taking the drug to boost performance and then suggests a way to detect it. Citing it is an exercise in circular reasoning.

 

[jm1980]

The paper is about detection of the drug, not its benefits. The phrase "arguably not (exclusively)" shows ambiguity and imprecision. The paper assumes that athletes are taking the drug to boost performance and then suggests a way to detect it. Citing it is an exercise in circular reasoning.

That is correct. This paper is concerned with detecting the drug.

But if you actually read the paper, you'll see it cites other studies explaining how it can be used by athletes for performance enhancement

 

[Dolgopolov85]

They think that based off of the use not scientific evidence. I don't see your argument.

No, we don't know that, first of all. Secondly, the statement "because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance" does not logically lead us to the inference that athlete's intent alone is reason enough to ban a drug for WADA. Lastly, the title of the thread is pure click-bait "WADA admits meldonium not performance enhancing". No, they do not. This is just jumping several steps to a pre-decided conclusion. In the text I quoted, intention simply means to say "because we found athletes used meldonium to enhance performance, we banned a drug that was earlier legal". It does not mean the intent alone has been used as basis to ban the drug. That may well have been what WADA actually did but the MEANING does not follow from the words they used, that is my point. Bartelby is trying to imprison WADA with their own words but the attempt appears to be over enthusiastic.

 

[SpinToWin]

I don't agree with the implication Bartelby is suggesting, however, WADA's statement definitely is lacking and they should at the very least quote a reputable study if they want to justify their decision. The line of logic proposed in this statement is flawed, as by the same line of logic they could ban bananas if the athletes use them with the intent of performance enhancing...

I don't however think that WADA based their decision only on that, that would be a much too large oversight.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

WADA is acting on behalf of the health authorities, banning a substance that has not been tested on humans.

The company producing it is endangering the public health.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[sureshs]

That is correct. This paper is concerned with detecting the drug.

But if you actually read the paper, you'll see it cites other studies explaining how it can be used by athletes for performance enhancement

Then those other studies should have been cited, not this one. I don't have access to those, so I cannot comment.

 

[mellowyellow]

http://roidvisor.com/wada-to-athletes-go-ahead-use-t3-thyroid-drugs-to-enhance-your-performance/
This article raises some questions.

 

[mellowyellow]

We have no evidence it is performance enhancing at the pro athlete level, we have no evidence of it being a health concern. Has anyone died or gad complications from it? That leaves only one part of the three criteria met (spirit of the sport) and the means by which they gathered that info is suspect at best. The only logical conclusion can be they added it based off its use not its ability. They have been challenged on the international level and have yet to provide sufficient evidence it should even be on the list.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

We have no evidence it is performance enhancing at the pro athlete level, we have no evidence of it being a health concern. Has anyone died or gad complications from it? That leaves only one part of the three criteria met (spirit of the sport) and the means by which they gathered that info is suspect at best. The only logical conclusion can be they added it based off its use not its ability. They have been challenged on the international level and have yet to provide sufficient evidence it should even be on the list.

I will be shortly dying laughing.

 

[jm1980]

I can't even find any report on their site explaining the reason for the ban.

So if someone knows where this can be found they should provide a link.

We have no evidence it is performance enhancing at the pro athlete level

However, the anti-ischemic drug Mildronate demonstrates an increase in endurance performance of athletes, improved rehabilitation after exercise, protection against stress, and enhanced activations of central nervous system (CNS) functions.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Mildronate+(Meldonium)+doping

Sharapova apologists

 

[big ted]

does it even matter if its a performance enhancing drug or not?
if its on the banned list, they shouldnt be taking it.
isnt marijuana a banned substance too? and i wouldnt call that a ped..

 

[jm1980]

isnt marijuana a banned substance too? and i wouldnt call that a ped..

It can be a PED in sports where you need to be more relaxed

 

[Tennis_Hands]

does it even matter if its a performance enhancing drug or not?
if its on the banned list, they shouldnt be taking it.
isnt marijuana a banned substance too? and i wouldnt call that a ped..

That is correct, but too many Dopingapova appologists want to see her receive TUE retroactively and give her the chance to continue torturing our hearing and eyes.

 

[mellowyellow]

However, the anti-ischemic drug Mildronate demonstrates an increase in endurance performance of athletes, improved rehabilitation after exercise, protection against stress, and enhanced activations of central nervous system (CNS) functions.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Mildronate+(Meldonium)+doping

Sharapova apologists

Where is the actual research? Size of test, control group performance etc? That looks more like a statement than anything. Where is the hard data

 

[jm1980]

Where is the actual research? Size of test, control group performance etc? That looks more like a statement than anything.

Are you suggesting before a drug can be banned they need to dope up a bunch of people and test their performance against a control group?

Do you think this actually happened with the other drugs on the list?

You cannot be serious!

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Are you suggesting before a drug can be banned they need to dope up a bunch of people and test their performance against a control group?

Do you think this actually happened with the other drugs on the list?

You cannot be serious!

It is interesting, IF the drug was not tested, so that it can be used from humans, how did it ever became legal?

 

[jm1980]

It is interesting, IF the drug was not tested, so that it can be used from humans, how did it ever became legal?

I assume the drug has been tested on humans in dosages appropriate for its intended medical purpose.

But then again this comes from Latvia, which I doubt has the same strict standards the FDA does.

 

[mellowyellow]

Are you suggesting before a drug can be banned they need to dope up a bunch of people and test their performance against a control group?

Do you think this actually happened with the other drugs on the list?

You cannot be serious!

Then how do they know in your link it works in athletes besides the only fact that it's used? You provided the link stating it work in athletes. How do they know that?

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Then how do they know in your link it works in athletes besides the only fact that it's used? You provided the link stating it work in athletes. How do they know that?

Statistical analysis is as scientific and efficient as any medical research out there.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

WADA is acting on behalf of the health authorities, banning a substance that has not been tested on humans.

The company producing it is endangering the public health.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Yeah, like that German company that produced a drug to prevent morning sickness in pregnant women and caused them to have babies with deformities (like extremely short arms).

 

[mellowyellow]

I would hazard a guess the control groups they use which from what I have read is in the 50-70 age range and sick, that adding a multivitamin/ CoQ10 ED or EoD would show improvement in their test vs the control...

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Yeah, like that German company that produced a drug to prevent morning sickness in pregnant women and caused them to have babies with deformities (like extremely short arms).

You don't get the joke.



EDIT: Que the "it is not funny, because it is made by a german" phrase