Why has the 6.1 been discontinued?!

QuentinFederer

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I've recently managed to acquire a Wilson Hyper 6.1 18x20 in new condition and it is an amazing racquet. I had never previously used a 6.1, and I could very easily switch to this frame from my RF97. All that's stopping me from making the switch is that I only have one of them.

Why on earth have @Wilson Official discontinued such a great line of frames? Currently all they have on Tennis Warehouse Europe are the 6.1 95s and the 25th anniversary classic. Will this line ever come back or is the 6.1 dead? Maybe @PeterFig has some insider knowledge on the future of the 6.1?
 
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Federer moved on.
People that just picked up the game are not going to know what a 6.1 is.
95 sqin already has burn and burn fst.
97% of the community don't play with 12.5oz+ strung player racquets, unless it's Federer's racquet. (According to that one guy in the Babolat thread, but I think this is generally true.)

That said, I think they should keep producing a 90 sqin 6.1
 
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ONgame said:
Federer moved on.
People that just picked up the game are not going to know what a 6.1 is.
95 sqin already has burn and burn fst.
97% of the community don't play with 12.5oz+ strung player racquets, unless it's Federer's racquet. (According to that one guy in the Babolat thread, but I think this is generally true.)

That said, I think they should keep producing a 90 sqin 6.1
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This basically. Because Federer moved on and the lion's share of the market for 6.1 reduced. Not to mention it is quite an unwieldy racket for beginners and mid range players.
 
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ONgame said:
Federer moved on.
People that just picked up the game are not going to know what a 6.1 is.
95 sqin already has burn and burn fst.
97% of the community don't play with 12.5oz+ strung player racquets, unless it's Federer's racquet. (According to that one guy in the Babolat thread, but I think this is generally true.)

That said, I think they should keep producing a 90 sqin 6.1
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90% of the public don't have the skills and fitness for heavier frames, nor do they have the patience to work on it. They all just want "quick" fixes.
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo said:
90% of the public don't have the skills and fitness for heavier frames, nor do they have the patience to work on it. They all just want "quick" fixes.
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PREACH. I've personally witnessed at least a dozen 3.0-4.0 players with similar swings (not racket head speed or footwork, just swing) to Federer's opting for the 6.1 in the groundless hope that it'll work wonders for them.
 
QuentinFederer

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ONgame said:
Federer moved on.
People that just picked up the game are not going to know what a 6.1 is.
95 sqin already has burn and burn fst.
97% of the community don't play with 12.5oz+ strung player racquets, unless it's Federer's racquet. (According to that one guy in the Babolat thread, but I think this is generally true.)

That said, I think they should keep producing a 90 sqin 6.1
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I own a several Wilson rackets, the Hyper 6.1 95 18/20, the pro staff 95 (2014), the pro staff 95 (2014) and two RF97s. I love all of those rackets, Wilson should not just abandon the 90", the 6.1, and the true box beam rackets. Rackets like the pure drive and aero have killed the players frame market.

I can't understand why Wilson aren't going to take advantage of Delpo using the 6.1, he is a very marketable player.
 
QuentinFederer

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Say Chi Sin Lo said:
90% of the public don't have the skills and fitness for heavier frames, nor do they have the patience to work on it. They all just want "quick" fixes.
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I'm not a particularly high level player, but my fitness is pretty good. I prefer the mass, stability, and comfort that a heavier frame provides. I really don't enjoy light, stiff and hollow feeling frames.
 
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QuentinFederer said:
I own a several Wilson rackets, the Hyper 6.1 95 18/20, the pro staff 95 (2014), the pro staff 95 (2014) and two RF97s. I love all of those rackets, Wilson should not just abandon the 90", the 6.1, and the true box beam rackets. Rackets like the pure drive and aero have killed the players frame market.

I can't understand why Wilson aren't going to take advantage of Delpo using the 6.1, he is a very marketable player.
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The Marketing departments just have no bearing bon what top level players use and it has become ridiculous.

Im using Angell frames partly because of this and mostly because my game is calibrated to true players frames like the 6.1

I use the TC95: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/angell-tc95-16x19-flexy-shakedown.553138/
 
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QuentinFederer said:
I own a several Wilson rackets, the Hyper 6.1 95 18/20, the pro staff 95 (2014), the pro staff 95 (2014) and two RF97s. I love all of those rackets, Wilson should not just abandon the 90", the 6.1, and the true box beam rackets. Rackets like the pure drive and aero have killed the players frame market.

I can't understand why Wilson aren't going to take advantage of Delpo using the 6.1, he is a very marketable player.
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Even if PD and PA didn't exist, the consumers would still look for the next closest thing, which is probably not a 6.1.
 
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I hope the decision makers are paying attention to these message boards. Ever since they decided that it's time for these legacy frames to go away, there has been a substantial amount of discussions questioning their demise.
 
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QuentinFederer said:
I've recently managed to acquire a Wilson Hyper 6.1 18x20 in new condition and it is an amazing racquet. I had never previously used a 6.1, and I could very easily switch to this frame from my RF97. All that's stopping me from making the switch is that I only have one of them.

Why on earth have @Wilson Official discontinued such a great line of frames? Currently all they have on Tennis Warehouse Europe are the 6.1 95s and the 25th anniversary classic. Will this line ever come back or is the 6.1 dead? Maybe @PeterFig has some insider knowledge on the future of the 6.1?
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We've tried to solve this almost weekly man. The crazy thing is that there's multiple burn frames in a 95 head size. Why discontinue the most popular 95 square inch head of all time? Not sure. Even @PeterFig can't explain it. He was on the design for the anniversary 6.1 and seems to appreciate all of these classic frames just as much as we do. I can't explain it, but I want them back. Wilson will see substantially less of my business until they re-release or create a legacy edition of the 6.1

What baffles me is that the 6.1 team was recently released in addition to the pro staff line. Why on earth would they bring back a player's frame in a TEAM edition?!!?!?!
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo said:
I hope the decision makers are paying attention to these message boards. Ever since they decided that it's time for these legacy frames to go away, there has been a substantial amount of discussions questioning their demise.
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Totally agreed man. The PS90, PS85, and 6.1 threads seem to flow almost weekly. The most successful racquet brands maintain linage lines, why doesn't wilson. Head has the radical, prestige, instincts, and speeds. Babolat has the pure drives, pure aeros, and the pure strikes. Wilson seems to change their mind every 2 years about the name/mould/string patterns of each line. Horrible marketing techniques.
 
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gino said:
Totally agreed man. The PS90, PS85, and 6.1 threads seem to flow almost weekly. The most successful racquet brands maintain linage lines, why doesn't wilson. Head has the radical, prestige, instincts, and speeds. Babolat has the pure drives, pure aeros, and the pure strikes. Wilson seems to change their mind every 2 years about the name/mould/string patterns of each line. Horrible marketing techniques.
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Mind you, Radical and Prestige are the only legacy lines from Head, and they're nothing like what they used to represent. Otherwise, certain endorsed pros would stop using their 10-20 year old racquets.
 
QuentinFederer

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gino said:
We've tried to solve this almost weekly man. The crazy thing is that there's multiple burn frames in a 95 head size. Why discontinue the most popular 95 square inch head of all time? Not sure. Even @PeterFig can't explain it. He was on the design for the anniversary 6.1 and seems to appreciate all of these classic frames just as much as we do. I can't explain it, but I want them back. Wilson will see substantially less of my business until they re-release or create a legacy edition of the 6.1

What baffles me is that the 6.1 team was recently released in addition to the pro staff line. Why on earth would they bring back a player's frame in a TEAM edition?!!?!?!
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The 6.1 team is probably the most pointless racket currently on sale. I'm going to be getting an anniversary 6.1 and if I like it I'll probably buy 2 or 3 in case I want to switch to it before they stop being sold. It seems that Wilson are only going to have the RF97 as a true players racket in their main lines and just the occasional 'anniversary' rerelease of an 85-95" pro staff or 6.1. It makes it hard for players who like the feel of a classic Wilson as they're either going to have to keep their frames for a long time and risk grommet damage, or find a different brand. I can't see this being at all advantageous to Wilson.
 
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QuentinFederer said:
I own a several Wilson rackets, the Hyper 6.1 95 18/20, the pro staff 95 (2014), the pro staff 95 (2014) and two RF97s. I love all of those rackets, Wilson should not just abandon the 90", the 6.1, and the true box beam rackets. Rackets like the pure drive and aero have killed the players frame market.

I can't understand why Wilson aren't going to take advantage of Delpo using the 6.1, he is a very marketable player.
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The problem is also the geniuses in the marketing department have decided to paint Delpo's 6.1 95 as the Burn FST and think no one will notice that he does not think anyone will notice. Wilson, HEAD, Babolat, and Yonex think very little of the consumers intelligence.
 
Phantasm

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I'm sad as well they're gone. The first racquet my coach made me get was a Hyper Prostaff 6.1 too...albeit I was getting taught at a Wilson sponsored club. I'm quite glad he recommend me to get a Hyper Hammer or something...

I don't think decision makers will make swayed by a vocal minority such as the racket lovers of this board. There's no more poster child with Roger's transition and Wilson's decision to name his new racquet the ProStaff/RF97.

It's good marketing to introduce a "brand new line" of racquets with Roger endorsing..
 
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vsbabolat said:
The problem is also the geniuses in the marketing department have decided to paint Delpo's 6.1 95 as the Burn FST and think no one will notice that he does not think anyone will notice. Wilson, HEAD, Babolat, and Yonex think very little of the consumers intelligence.
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I think paintjobs should be banned. Sell the racquets that players use. I think Head are quite possibly the worst when it comes to paintjobs. Murray uses a pt57 which is a prestige mold, but he "recommends" the radical. Djokovic uses a liquidmetal radical, but "endorses" the speed. Gasquet uses the liquidmetal instinct tour XL, but his "racket of choice" is the extreme pro. They could all at least use the line that their rackets come from, even if the radical and instincts are very different to how they once were.
 
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QuentinFederer said:
I think paintjobs should be banned. Sell the racquets that players use. I think Head are quite possibly the worst when it comes to paintjobs. Murray uses a pt57 which is a prestige mold, but he "recommends" the radical. Djokovic uses a liquidmetal radical, but "endorses" the speed. Gasquet uses the liquidmetal instinct tour XL, but his "racket of choice" is the extreme pro. They could all at least use the line that their rackets come from, even if the radical and instincts are very different to how they once were.
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I agree with you! The racquet industry has become insane.
 
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The 6.1 team is probably the most pointless racket currently on sale.

I have one of the older "BLX" 6.1 Teams and I weighted it up with silicone to 12.5oz and I think about 10pts HL. It lets my inner Roscoe Tanner out when I feel like serving as hard as I can. For some reason using Ash Kevlar in the mains and OGSM 17 in the crosses that particular racquet lets me do everything I can with my 62 yr old shoulder, elbow and wrist. For some naive reason a couple of years ago I traded off my 6.1 95. Now I wish I had it back to use along with my other 12.5oz ish rackets. I thought my new to me Chicago PS85 was fun to serve with. Then I eyeballed that "pointless" 6.1 Team hanging listlessly in the closet and thought, what the heck. Which in turn made me recently contact my brother who lives more than half way across the country to see if he is using any of the 3 6.1 Teams I sent him and if not send me one back for a backup I'll have to tinker with.
 
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graycrait said:
The 6.1 team is probably the most pointless racket currently on sale.

I have one of the older "BLX" 6.1 Teams and I weighted it up with silicone to 12.5oz and I think about 10pts HL. It lets my inner Roscoe Tanner out when I feel like serving as hard as I can. For some reason using Ash Kevlar in the mains and OGSM 17 in the crosses that particular racquet lets me do everything I can with my 62 yr old shoulder, elbow and wrist. For some naive reason a couple of years ago I traded off my 6.1 95. Now I wish I had it back to use along with my other 12.5oz ish rackets. I thought my new to me Chicago PS85 was fun to serve with. Then I eyeballed that "pointless" 6.1 Team hanging listlessly in the closet and thought, what the heck. Which in turn made me recently contact my brother who lives more than half way across the country to see if he is using any of the 3 6.1 Teams I sent him and if not send me one back for a backup I'll have to tinker with.
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If the 6.1 team works for you then that's awesome! I suppose rackets are all subjective, one players holy grail is another players worst nightmare. I'm glad the team works for you but I think Wilson needs to cater for fans of the more traditional pro staffs and 6.1s.
 
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QuentinFederer

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graycrait said:
QuentinFederer, If you like the Wilson Hyper 6.1 have you tried the PS85? Every time since acquiring one when I lend that 1983 Chicago made PS85 to someone for a hit it brings huge smiles. In any case thanks for the tip on the Hyper 6.1, you made me look it up and the idea of trying out a nearly 15 yr old racquet is something I am interested in. http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/REVIEWS/H61/H61Review.html
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I'm yet to try the ps85 but it is a racket that I plan to buy in the future. I've got the pro staff 90 (2014) and I enjoy that, although the small head size and sweet spot does recquire a higher level of precision.

If you're able to find a hyper 6.1 in a good condition then I'm sure you'll enjoy it, there isn't anything that I don't like about it.
 
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QuentinFederer said:
The 6.1 team is probably the most pointless racket currently on sale. I'm going to be getting an anniversary 6.1 and if I like it I'll probably buy 2 or 3 in case I want to switch to it before they stop being sold. It seems that Wilson are only going to have the RF97 as a true players racket in their main lines and just the occasional 'anniversary' rerelease of an 85-95" pro staff or 6.1. It makes it hard for players who like the feel of a classic Wilson as they're either going to have to keep their frames for a long time and risk grommet damage, or find a different brand. I can't see this being at all advantageous to Wilson.
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It's tough. As you can see in my signature, I own a lot of 6.1's. I am really worried about the grommets burning out and having to go to flea bay to find them. In any case, I think you should turn to the big auction site to find some other older 6.1 models. The nCode 6.1, K-Factor 6.1, and PSC 6.1 are great pickups. I liked the BLX variants, but not as much as those three lines. The first BLX 6.1 was a little too unstable for me. I loved the second iteration of the BLX 6.1 from 2012.

The anniversary is a bit overpriced, and you can get the same thing by going for a PSC on flea bay. That's my recommendation. You can pickup every 6.1 out there for $70-100 USD in pretty good condition.
 
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QuentinFederer said:
I think paintjobs should be banned. Sell the racquets that players use. I think Head are quite possibly the worst when it comes to paintjobs. Murray uses a pt57 which is a prestige mold, but he "recommends" the radical. Djokovic uses a liquidmetal radical, but "endorses" the speed. Gasquet uses the liquidmetal instinct tour XL, but his "racket of choice" is the extreme pro. They could all at least use the line that their rackets come from, even if the radical and instincts are very different to how they once were.
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@HEAD Penn Official
 
Crocodile

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My take on this topic is as follows:
1. Companies separate what pros have access to and what you can buy from your local retailor.
2. Companies targeting the 12 to 15years age group as the largest profit area and the greatest areas where a retailor can make a sale followed by the recreational player. The really good juniors can have access to pro stock.
3. Racquets like Babolat Pure Drives snd Aero Pros dominate sales in the junior market, leaving the old traditional racquets gathering dust. Those who want traditional racquets can get them cheaper and direct from reps.

So what do we have left that you can buy retail? We have these:
Wilson Pro Staff RF, Yonex Duel G 330, Volkl C10 Pro and other 10 series Mids and MP's, Head Prestige, Prince Textreme 95 and maybe the original graphite and Precision response Donnay Pro One's and Platinums, some leftover Dunlops (If you can find some), Pro Kennex Q Tour 325, and then you have the custom brands (Bowsworth 96 and Angell).
My advice would be to support and promote brands and models you like by buying more and advise your friends to buy them yourself.
The counterpoint to this is that we need to keep an eye on what actually will happen in tennis in the next 5 years. Up until now many of the pros are using older frames (Novak- LM Radical customised with heaps of lead) and more flexible versions of retail paint jobs probably because that's what they used when they were juniors. Let's see what a 14 year old future pro will use when he/she gets on the tour as pro stock.
 
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QuentinFederer,

I am no Wilson acolyte but kind of want to build a hitting bag with Wilson's "best" from the woodie Pro Staff Jack Kramers to the latest used Federers (used only).
I think Yonex is another line to look at.
Then there is the crazy Prince company.

I will probably spend the rest of my "Golden Years" trying to find "deals" on just these 3 company's iconic racquets.
 
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gino said:
It's tough. As you can see in my signature, I own a lot of 6.1's. I am really worried about the grommets burning out and having to go to flea bay to find them. In any case, I think you should turn to the big auction site to find some other older 6.1 models. The nCode 6.1, K-Factor 6.1, and PSC 6.1 are great pickups. I liked the BLX variants, but not as much as those three lines. The first BLX 6.1 was a little too unstable for me. I loved the second iteration of the BLX 6.1 from 2012.

The anniversary is a bit overpriced, and you can get the same thing by going for a PSC on flea bay. That's my recommendation. You can pickup every 6.1 out there for $70-100 USD in pretty good condition.
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I would love to find the Kfactor in particular on 3bay, that was such a cool paint scheme. I'll also look out for the 6.1 classic, the anniversary 6.1 price is just too much right now. I also want to try the 6.1 95s, I'm yet to try the spin effect technology.
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo said:
Mind you, Radical and Prestige are the only legacy lines from Head, and they're nothing like what they used to represent. Otherwise, certain endorsed pros would stop using their 10-20 year old racquets.
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I am aware. It was more of a rhetorical question -- why can't they at least keep the same moniker/name for their key lines?

Let's take a look at some Wilson racket lines from the past 15 years that has since been discontinued (very gimmicky sounding):

Wilson Surge
Wilson Pro Open
Wilson Tour
Wilson Juice
Wilson Steam

Soon to be discontinued gimmick-lines:
Wilson Burn
Wilson Ultra

Do we see the trend here yet @Wilson Official ? Your gimmicky frames don't sell or have ANY staying power with consumers....

Stick to what you're good at. Player's frames. This lineup would sell much better. Annual installments. Such as:

Box-beam family:
Wilson Pro Staff 85
Wilson Pro Staff 90
Wilson Pro Staff 95
Wilson Pro Staff 100

22mm straight-beam 6.1 family:
Wilson 6.1 95 16x18
Wilson 6.1 95 18x20
Wilson 6.1 95S

Round beam 97 family:
Wilson RF97A
Wilson Pro Staff 97
Wilson Pro Staff 97S

Blade straight-beam 98/104 family:

Blade 98 16x19
Blade 98 18x20
Blade 98 S
Blade 104
Blade 104SWA
 
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QuentinFederer

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graycrait said:
QuentinFederer,

I am no Wilson acolyte but kind of want to build a hitting bag with Wilson's "best" from the woodie Pro Staff Jack Kramers to the latest used Federers (used only).
I think Yonex is another line to look at.
Then there is the crazy Prince company.

I will probably spend the rest of my "Golden Years" trying to find "deals" on just these 3 company's iconic racquets.
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I haven't used a prince before, but I really do want to try one with the ports instead of grommets. I've used a Yonex in the past, I think it was the Vcore xi but I can't remember if it was 98" or 100". Either way it was a pretty good racket, very unique feel. I want to get my hands on a Vcore 95D at some point, it'd be great to try out the stick that Stan Wawrinka uses.
 
Arti

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gino said:
I am aware. It was more of a rhetorical question -- why can't they at least keep the same moniker/name for their key lines?

Let's take a look at some Wilson racket lines from the past 15 years that has since been discontinued (very gimmicky sounding):

Wilson Surge
Wilson Pro Open
Wilson Tour
Wilson Juice
Wilson Steam

Soon to be discontinued gimmick-lines:
Wilson Burn
Wilson Ultra

Do we see the trend here yet @Wilson Official ? Your gimmicky frames don't sell or have ANY staying power with consumers....

Stick to what you're good at. Player's frames. This lineup would sell much better. Annual installments. Such as:

Box-beam family:
Wilson Pro Staff 85
Wilson Pro Staff 90
Wilson Pro Staff 95
Wilson Pro Staff 100

22mm Beam 6.1 family:
Wilson 6.1 95 16x18
Wilson 6.1 95 18x20
Wilson 6.1 95S

Round beam 97 family:
Wilson RF97A
Wilson Pro Staff 97
Wilson Pro Staff 97S
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the box beam 95S is also an addition I would make for Grigor, maybe even release his frame as a 93 inch pro staff similar to the ROK. Also just for the "tweener" segment I would add a burn/ultra/pro open racquet. Similar to the H25 mold to compete with the pure drives and instincts; have an S and tour version of those frames and Wilson is set. Also blades can't be left out.
 
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People are generally getting more lazy. Probably due to economic, social, and job schedules along with busy-ness. People just want a racquet they can be lazy with.
 
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Idk if this will help, but in all the high school games I've played, I've seen ONE guy using a Six.One, and it was the 95S, strung with a bright blue string. In short, the Six.One doesn't provide much for the modern baseline topspin game IMHO. People don't hit the sweespot consistently with a 95 compared to a 97-100. I see a heck lot more Burns and Burn FST's and Ultras than I do Six.One's in the younger ages.

I even saw three Steams and two Juices throughout my season.
 
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My take on this is that people who complain on this board should know how to customize rackets. You'd better buy something lighter, and add weight here and there, rather than buy a frame heavy in stock form, and find out you don't like its weight distribution.

Most so-called " players rackets" have too much weight in the throat, and not enough at the poles.
 
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Matthew Lee said:
Idk if this will help, but in all the high school games I've played, I've seen ONE guy using a Six.One, and it was the 95S, strung with a bright blue string. In short, the Six.One doesn't provide much for the modern baseline topspin game IMHO. People don't hit the sweespot consistently with a 95 compared to a 97-100. I see a heck lot more Burns and Burn FST's and Ultras than I do Six.One's in the younger ages.

I even saw three Steams and two Juices throughout my season.
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More likely because no one endorses/markets the Six One 95s anymore. High Schoolers/juniors are going to most likely get

1. What's being endorsed by popular pros
2. What his/her coach recomends or the brand recommended by them since it's going to be paid for the parents anyways.


I don't think theres really anything about the 6.1s that make unable to get enough spin. the 16x18 version has good access to power and spin.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla said:
My take on this is that people who complain on this board should know how to customize rackets. You'd better buy something lighter, and add weight here and there, rather than buy a frame heavy in stock form, and find out you don't like its weight distribution.

Most so-called " players rackets" have too much weight in the throat, and not enough at the poles.
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I do customise and string my own rackets. I think a heavier racket in stock form just feels more solid than one lighter in stock form, even after they have both been customised to equal specs.
 
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QuentinFederer said:
I do customise and string my own rackets. I think a heavier racket in stock form just feels more solid than one lighter in stock form, even after they have both been customised to equal specs.
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You could try silicone in the handle if your customized (lighter stock) frames don't feel as solid. The main reason a lot of the heavier frames feel solid is because they're foam filled, which gives an important vibration dampening effect. Silicone in the handle is fantastic for this purpose, and it also polarizes the racket, which means less dead weight.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla said:
You could try silicone in the handle if your customized (lighter stock) frames don't feel as solid. The main reason a lot of the heavier frames feel solid is because they're foam filled, which gives an important vibration dampening effect. Silicone in the handle is fantastic for this purpose, and it also polarizes the racket, which means less dead weight.
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That could be worth trying, I've only use lead tape and leather grips to add weight so far.
 
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Arti said:
the box beam 95S is also an addition I would make for Grigor, maybe even release his frame as a 93 inch pro staff similar to the ROK. Also just for the "tweener" segment I would add a burn/ultra/pro open racquet. Similar to the H25 mold to compete with the pure drives and instincts; have an S and tour version of those frames and Wilson is set. Also blades can't be left out.
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I agree about the Grigor 93 and 95S. Do you think Wilson is better off staying out of the tweener market? They've never executed one to a great degree of success. The H19/H20/H25 molds are another story. I doubt those will ever hit retail
 
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Attila_the_gorilla said:
My take on this is that people who complain on this board should know how to customize rackets. You'd better buy something lighter, and add weight here and there, rather than buy a frame heavy in stock form, and find out you don't like its weight distribution.

Most so-called " players rackets" have too much weight in the throat, and not enough at the poles.
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I think you're missing the point, mate -- how can I customize a Wilson 6.1 if a Wilson 6.1 is no longer available???
 
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gino said:
I think you're missing the point, mate -- how can I customize a Wilson 6.1 if a Wilson 6.1 is no longer available???
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I think you're missing the point. The point is that a 6.1 is already pretty heavy in stock form, and doesn't leave much room for customization. Even less so given the generous manufacturing tolerances.
It's much easier to customize a racket that's lighter in stock form.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla said:
I think you're missing the point. The point is that a 6.1 is already pretty heavy in stock form, and doesn't leave much room for customization. Even less so given the generous manufacturing tolerances.
It's much easier to customize a racket that's lighter in stock form.
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I'm not. Every frame I own is customized. I know it's easier to customize a frame with a lighter spec. That doesn't mean the 6.1 can't be customized. If you believe that, you likely can't swing a 12.5-13 racket very fast. For players that can swing a heavy frame, it leaves a lot of room for customization. My 6.1's are customized to around 12.8 ounces with a 13 PTS hl balance.

How does not having a single 6.1 offering around remediate the issue ? You need to take the customization "advice" to another thread.
 
Phantasm

Phantasm

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I've never done any modifications to either of my 6.1s but every racket has room for customization. It's just a matter if the player can handle the extra weight or not...
 
QuentinFederer

QuentinFederer

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gino said:
I'm not. Every frame I own is customized. I know it's easier to customize a frame with a lighter spec. That doesn't mean the 6.1 can't be customized. If you believe that, you likely can't swing a 12.5-13 racket very fast. For players that can swing a heavy frame, it leaves a lot of room for customization. My 6.1's are customized to around 12.8 ounces with a 13 PTS hl balance.

How does not having a single 6.1 offering around remediate the issue ? You need to take the customization "advice" to another thread.
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I customised my hyper six one to 370 grams, approx 13oz. I have a balance that's between 6 and 7 head light. It feels unbelievable on my one hand backhand, it's incredibly solid and still swings pretty quickly. I agree that every racket is customisable, it just depends what you're looking for in a racket.
 
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