RoddiCk...
I am going to assume that you were really extremely sleepy when you put that up...
vkartikv,
I'm sure people will scream blue murder but I'll go with Woodbridge again when he said that Sampras was a good but not great volleyer who had a lot of power in his shot but very little subtlety or touch (a power volleyer with hard hands).
That's no slight on Sampras's ability but, unlike the other players on your list apart from Federer, he was someone who re-invented themselves as a player who attacked the net. I was fortunate enough to call service line in quite a number of his matches at the Aus Open, as well as players like Edberg, Cash, Rafter, McEnroe (only a few years) and Becker, and the difference between his volleying skills and those of the first four guys was quite apparent. I'd rate him on a par with Becker which is still pretty darn good but a significant drop below the very top guys. I'd be inclined to say he was almost identical to Pancho Gonzales who players of his day said had the best serve but not the best volleys although, with his serve he didn't need them.
Of course, if we were being fair in talking about the best volleyer of the 80's and 90's we'd have to include the doubles players, Jarryd, Fitzgerald, Woodbridge and Woodforde. If we were being fairer still we'd also include Navratilova, Mandlikova and Lisa Raymond who I think has, probably, the best volleys in the game today (and was active during the 90's).
Mac > Edberg > Rafter > Henman > Sampras > Becker, IMO.
Did you ever get a chance to meet any of these guys (one on one) since you called the service line at their matches? The closest I have come to a pro is when Rafter played in my hometown of Chennai in '97... really nice guy.
What I found interesting is that Edberg's serve really wasn't suited for grass, as topspin/kick really isn't as effective on grass as other surfaces.. though I think he did okay on grass.
Ken Rosewall also suffered from hay fever during many of the Wimbledon's he participated in. He made quite a few finals, regardless. By the way, Rosewall was one of the greatest volleyers of all time.One of the chief reasons why a player like Ken Rosewall never won Wimbledon (the chief being that he wasn't allowed to play it during his prime years when he was the best player in the world) is because English grass courts allowed the serve to shoot through quicker than in Australia or America.
Ken Rosewall also suffered from hay fever during many of the Wimbledon's he participated in. He made quite a few finals, regardless. By the way, Rosewall was one of the greatest volleyers of all time.
Sampras was a great Serve and volleyer because of his serve, not of his volleys.hey c'mon guys!
you can't be serious!
how can you put henman in front of sampras??????
henman is of yourse a very good volleyer. but c'mon, no way he's better than sampras was
AndrewD and Urban, how would you rate the Aussies compared to Edberg, Henman, Sampras etc. I thought that John Fitzgerald's volleys were better than Cash or Rafter's although he didn't have the good singles record.
Urban,
I haven't heard that about Lew Hoad but never thought his racquets looked anything less than standard size. Given the strength of the man and the way he played the game it would seem a bit odd. Actually, I'd be more inclined to believe it was John Bromwich as he was known to be constantly tinkering with his racquets. He used to whittle the grips down to an exceptionally small size to aid control and, according to Vivian McGrath, the grips were about the size of a shilling piece (old currency). Not sure what that compares to in American currency but it'd be, very roughly, somewhere between 4 1/8 and 4 1/4.
Actually, Bromwich is a player who should always get a mention when talking about the best ever volleyers and best doubles players of all time. Jack Kramer did once say that if "Earth were playing in the all-time Universe Davis Cup, I'd play Budge and Bromwich in the doubles. That's what I think of Johnny as a doubles player." That's a pretty big compliment given that that Kramer rarely gave anyone not on his circuit or not from the States praise. On the American side, Vincent Richards is someone often mentioned in any debate regarding the 'best volleyers of all time'.
It's interesting isn't it, that the volley (excluding the topspin drive-volley) is one of the very few shots which hasn't changed in the past 70-ish years. So, it gives us a link between players as far apart chronologically as Bromwich and Federer. It also illustrates that, if those men could master a shot which is a complete mystery to so many players today (of all levels), the likelihood is that they'd be equally capable of mastering any of the 'modern' shots. Not all of them would succed to the same degree but far more of them would make the transition than we're willing to admit. The game has changed, the equipment, the techniques, the training, the information and the surfaces have all changed. BUT, it is still a game played by people and they haven't changed at all. Bigger? In most cases, yes. Smarter, tougher, more tenacious, more innate talent, more determined and more heart? Absolutely not.