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2HBH-DTL
Guest
I don't do HH racquets so no. Highest SW that is HL always. Who the hell plays with HH frames anymore??
Would you take a higher swing weight, over a higher static weight for the modern ATP FH?
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I don't do HH racquets so no. Highest SW that is HL always. Who the hell plays with HH frames anymore??
Tennisanity
Legend
Well it's all relative isn't it? 1 pt HL is HH relative to 9 pts HL. You can call it anything you like. In other words, higher swing weight always means relatively more HH.
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
I wouldn't pick either to hit with regularly without customization.
The former could be fixed with weight added in the handle and the latter with a little lead tape at 12 and some weight removed from the handle.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
While I agree that no good player plays with a HH frame, if you look at my first post, I switched to a higher SW (but less static weight), which was still HL (or even balanced), but not as HL as my previous frame.
I basically went from 10pts Head Light racquet to another racquet that seems to be Even Balanced/or 6 pts Head Light (as I see it now on another side, but that might be a confusing between the 2016 and the newer, more HL 2017 model).
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Attila_the_gorilla
Guest
That's a brave statement. I'd say Carlos Moya was a pretty decent player. A lot of the women also use HH frames. Serena and Venus, for example.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
I was generalizing of course, as a rule of thumb. Plus as you can see myself I'm going towards even balance, so less HL.
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2HBH-DTL
Guest
95% of good players will use HL frames. That would probably be the best way to put it 
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
95% of good players will use HL frames. That would probably be the best way to put it
Thanks, but also, as per the question in this thread: how much HL?
- E.g. I've moved from 10 points HL to Even Balance/or 3 pts Head Light
- And increased the SW, while decreasing the static weight at the same time.
BTW, what's up with the differences in measurement for the same racquet: between what says on the frame and what TW site indicates?
E.g. my current frame is listed as either Even Balance, while marked 3 pts Head Light; it seems to be the later, b/c even with an over grip is slightly HL or even ballanced.
Simplicius
Semi-Pro
Not for tennis use.
Only if I want to nail nails on the wall!
lol
But I also vote for the higher swing weight.
My specs are 8HL, 345g, 350 sw.
So close to vote for a choice, but...
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2HBH-DTL
Guest
for me anyway, i need to be at no less than 4-5 points head light. preferably around 7 or 8 though.
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Attila_the_gorilla
Guest
I play mostly doubles where I absolutely need a very short balance. Around 315 mm, not sure how many pts HL that is.
But that setup doesn't work well for singles and I've been lengthening the balance on my singles racket. I want to try lower static weights and longer (more head heavy) balances, to give me better swing speed. Trouble is all my good rackets have silicone in the handle which is a pain to remove, so I need to experiment with some of my less preferred frames.
But that setup doesn't work well for singles and I've been lengthening the balance on my singles racket. I want to try lower static weights and longer (more head heavy) balances, to give me better swing speed. Trouble is all my good rackets have silicone in the handle which is a pain to remove, so I need to experiment with some of my less preferred frames.
LocNetMonster
Professional
This, 100%. The emphasis should be on finding the right racquet characteristics that suits an individual's swing mechanics that helps them achieve the desired level of spin, pace and control.
mrtimetravel
New User
high static weight and high swing weight would be my preferred option but whatever
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Most of the heavy racquets are players racquets, head light, for more control.
Whereas you may find a lighter one, but head heavy.
So choose?
mrtimetravel
New User
My racket specs are 364g, 32.50cm, 355sw... so heavy with high swing weight but not really that headlight...
P.S. 20.87 MGR/I
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Good for you, which one is it? And is it stock?
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Usually the advice for demoing new racquets is to first pick the highest swingweight range that you can swing comfortably with high racquet head speed (RHS) including on serves. Then, demo different racquets in that range with different static weights, balance, beam thickness, head size etc. and see what feels good. Most of the time it requires an adjustment period of only 10-15 hours to get used to different string patterns, beam width, static weight etc., but it is tough to play well with racquets that have a very different swing weight than what you are used to. You also need to make sure that your racquet has enough stability to withstand the power of your typical opponents without twisting in your hand or feeling too lightweight.
My sweetspot is SW 330-340, weight around 12 ozs and balance around 6-7 pts HL in a 97-98 sq inch racquet with beam thickness less than 22 mm.
My sweetspot is SW 330-340, weight around 12 ozs and balance around 6-7 pts HL in a 97-98 sq inch racquet with beam thickness less than 22 mm.
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3virgul14
Rookie
I have the same specs, 364g strung ,32.5cm, 358sw. I'm 1.76 and lean so you don't need to be a body builder to use this stick.
Filled with silicone in the handle, calfskin leather grip and lead under grommets. 9to3
TGK 293.1 prostock prestige. 95 head and quite easy to use. Enormous spin and laser control with tbhs7t strung 22kgs.
Only after 2.5 - 3 hours I feel the weight on serves but I rarely play that long since we don't have best of 5 grandslams around here
The dilemma I am facing : I can hit harder with lower powered polys( hawk touch) but then it's more difficult to get out of defensive positions.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
I have the same specs, 364g strung ,32.5cm, 358sw. I'm 1.76 and lean so you don't need to be a body builder to use this stick.
Filled with silicone in the handle, calfskin leather grip and lead under grommets. 9to3
TGK 293.1 prostock prestige. 95 head and quite easy to use. Enormous spin and laser control with tbhs7t strung 22kgs.
Only after 2.5 - 3 hours I feel the weight on serves but I rarely play that long since we don't have best of 5 grandslams around here
The dilemma I am facing : I can hit harder with lower powered polys( hawk touch) but then it's more difficult to get out of defensive positions.
But can you swing it fast enough on the FH? For myself, I have some doubts about my RF97A....
mrtimetravel
New User
it is a customized yonex vcore pro 97 330
mrtimetravel
New User
I'm shorter than you... so I agree that you don't need to be a bodybuilder to use specs like these... I actually never get tired playing with my racket... idk I just like itI have the same specs, 364g strung ,32.5cm, 358sw. I'm 1.76 and lean so you don't need to be a body builder to use this stick.
Filled with silicone in the handle, calfskin leather grip and lead under grommets. 9to3
TGK 293.1 prostock prestige. 95 head and quite easy to use. Enormous spin and laser control with tbhs7t strung 22kgs.
Only after 2.5 - 3 hours I feel the weight on serves but I rarely play that long since we don't have best of 5 grandslams around here
The dilemma I am facing : I can hit harder with lower powered polys( hawk touch) but then it's more difficult to get out of defensive positions.
mrtimetravel
New User
When you have specs like that, there is no need in swinging extremely fast. The racquet does all the work for you but that is only if you can get it in front.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
I'm not sure about that though, as the pros still manage to swing very fast with heavy racquets and we are supposed to play with one as heavy as we can still swing comfortably with....
Dragy
Legend
Those guys you ask are possibly flattish hitters, not big-spin fans.
3virgul14
Rookie
I almost never hit flat, but have one of the heaviest forehand drives in the town, it is more mechanics IMHO than power. And topspin is a big advantage for controlling your shots.
Some self driven forehands just now:
Dragy
Legend
Nice shots. Good you can swing fast with hefty racquet. You likely won’t say it’s not needed to swing fast, and that the racquet does its job at slow speed.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
You mean Rublev?
Dragy
Legend
I mean @mrtimetravel
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
I was speaking tongue in cheek
mrtimetravel
New User
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Trick is to weight it correctly. When you do that you can swing it fast enough. Here is a 422g RF97A and I am an old out of shape dude and I never thought it was too much to swing
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Nice!
Although, at first glance, on my tablet, I'm not sure that's enough RHS on the FH (besides it's a short ball).
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm just thinking about all of the static weight in the sleeve of your sweatshirt.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Its a big factor in the Mgri value
RajS
Semi-Pro
I have been playing around with weighting my rackets to get a bit more power, and I finally got an understanding of how adding weights to the head and handle works! The price I paid to get this understanding was many sets of horrible doubles matches where I kept changing rackets to figure out which one was better... lol! My conclusions follow...
I believe now that swing weight, as it appears in the racket specs, is a number that is a reflection of the feel of the racket to the wrist and forearm and nothing more, for all practical purposes. Adding weight to the head increases the torque the wrist has to apply during a ground stroke, and makes the racket feel heavier to the wrist, since the center of mass (COM) moves out towards the tip of the head. Adding weight to the handle counteracts this torque and makes the racket feel lighter to the wrist, since the COM moves towards the handle, closer to the grip. Head weight makes the racket head naturally move faster relative to the handle - that is, come around faster in a ground stroke or serve - and increases the racket's power, hence the racket will be harder to control (again, because the COM moves closer to the racket head tip). Handle weight slows down the speed with which the head comes around in a ground stroke or serve, and decreases power, but increases control due to less head movement. The more headlight a racket is, the less its power. An overall lighter racket is much easier/quicker to maneuver, since the swing involves the upper arm and shoulder, and the axis of the swing is well outside the racket. Somewhere in between all this is a configuration of weighting that a player will really love, and this is probably different for every player...
I have now chosen to make my rackets more head heavy (even balance), but keep the overall weight low (no handle weight), and work on control... the extra power is really intoxicating to someone getting older and weaker, like me! Of course, I am hoping my Pro Kennex rackets will live up to their billing and protect my hand and shoulder from the abuse to which I am subjecting them.
I believe now that swing weight, as it appears in the racket specs, is a number that is a reflection of the feel of the racket to the wrist and forearm and nothing more, for all practical purposes. Adding weight to the head increases the torque the wrist has to apply during a ground stroke, and makes the racket feel heavier to the wrist, since the center of mass (COM) moves out towards the tip of the head. Adding weight to the handle counteracts this torque and makes the racket feel lighter to the wrist, since the COM moves towards the handle, closer to the grip. Head weight makes the racket head naturally move faster relative to the handle - that is, come around faster in a ground stroke or serve - and increases the racket's power, hence the racket will be harder to control (again, because the COM moves closer to the racket head tip). Handle weight slows down the speed with which the head comes around in a ground stroke or serve, and decreases power, but increases control due to less head movement. The more headlight a racket is, the less its power. An overall lighter racket is much easier/quicker to maneuver, since the swing involves the upper arm and shoulder, and the axis of the swing is well outside the racket. Somewhere in between all this is a configuration of weighting that a player will really love, and this is probably different for every player...
I have now chosen to make my rackets more head heavy (even balance), but keep the overall weight low (no handle weight), and work on control... the extra power is really intoxicating to someone getting older and weaker, like me! Of course, I am hoping my Pro Kennex rackets will live up to their billing and protect my hand and shoulder from the abuse to which I am subjecting them.
