Which is the weakest year of tennis in new century

Weakest year of tennis of new century

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deacsyoga

deacsyoga

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The years in the new century (for the men, it seems there is little interest in the women on this forum) that are generally seen as very weak are 2002, 2006, 2015, 2016, and 2017. At this point which of these years would you say has been the weakest overall year of the centry though.
 
deacsyoga

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I need to think of my vote honestly. All are good choices. 2010 could even have been included maybe.

I will probably wait to see how this year ends especialy with the chaotic crazy U.S Open so far to decide my vote for sure.
 
ibbi

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It is obviously this one. I mean I guess you could pick one of those transition years before 2004, but at least you had young guys like Hewitt and Safin stepping up alongside old man Andre. Right now it's just pathetic.
 
deacsyoga

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ibbi said:
It is obviously this one. I mean I guess you could pick one of those transition years before 2004, but at least you had young guys like Hewitt and Safin stepping up alongside old man Andre. Right now it's just pathetic.
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And even though there are moments of promise from Generation Lost, Generation Suck, and most importantly Generation New (who also might suck) none of them have done zilch where it really matters- the slams. Apart from Theim to a very very minor degree I guess, but making 2 slam semis you get mutilated isnt exactly a big deal.
 
ibbi

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deacsyoga said:
And even though there are moments of promise from Generation Lost, Generation Suck, and most importantly Generation New (who also might suck) none of them have done zilch where it really matters- the slams. Apart from Theim to a very very minor degree I guess, but making 2 slam semis you get mutilated isnt exactly a big deal.
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Indeed. In 2002 you had Hewitt building on his US Open win the previous year by winning Wimbledon, and while 2 relative journeymen did win the first 2 slams of the year they did it beating good players in the final, so they're still perfectly legit. US Open was a bit of a joke, but historic in the same way that Australia was this year, so tough to complain. This year everyone is either injured, or bottling it on the biggest stage, with two old dudes that haven't won a slam between them in 3 years suddenly stepping into the void.
 
deacsyoga

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ibbi said:
Indeed. In 2002 you had Hewitt building on his US Open win the previous year by winning Wimbledon, and while 2 relative journeymen did win the first 2 slams of the year they did it beating good players in the final, so they're still perfectly legit. US Open was a bit of a joke, but historic in the same way that Australia was this year, so tough to complain. This year everyone is either injured, or bottling it on the biggest stage, with two old dudes that haven't won a slam between them in 3 years suddenly stepping into the void.
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2002 was actually a good year outside the slams. Just the slams were pretty weak outside of the U.S Open. The WTF had some of the best series of matches ever at that event.
 
Steve0904

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I'm not sure I could pinpoint a weakest year, but I do think it's not 2017 overall. Right now I'd say it is, but not overall. 2017 has given us the best slam in recent memory (said not just by Federer fans) so it's automatically out of the running regardless what happens the rest of the year, IMO. 2006 and 2016 weren't the strongest though.
 
deacsyoga

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Steve0904 said:
I'm not sure I could pinpoint a weakest year, but I do think it's not 2017 overall. Right now I'd say it is, but not overall. 2017 has given us the best slam in recent memory (said not just by Federer fans) so it's automatically out of the running regardless what happens the rest of the year, IMO. 2006 and 2016 weren't the strongest though.
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Just curious which slam are you referring to? I assume it is the Australian Open since carnage like the U.S Open this year isnt exactly good, although I could see some who feel differently and claim it shows "depth":rolleyes:. And Wimbledon was a joke apart from an amazing Federer, and Roland Garros almost as big a joke apart from an amazing Nadal.
 
NatF

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deacsyoga said:
The years in the new century (for the men, it seems there is little interest in the women on this forum) that are generally seen as very weak are 2002, 2006, 2015, 2016, and 2017. At this point which of these years would you say has been the weakest overall year of the centry though.
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No 2010 makes this thread a joke. Sorry to tell you that mate.
 
deacsyoga

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NatF said:
No 2010 makes this thread a joke. Sorry to tell you that mate.
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I agree I could have included it in the poll, but I doubt it would have gotten any votes. Since while it was weak, it pretty clearly doesnt trump any of those others.
 
NoleFam

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deacsyoga said:
Just curious which slam are you referring to? I assume it is the Australian Open since carnage like the U.S Open this year isnt exactly good, although I could see some who feel differently and claim it shows "depth":rolleyes:. And Wimbledon was a joke apart from an amazing Federer, and Roland Garros almost as big a joke apart from an amazing Nadal.
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I agree that it's 2017 but if you're going to call Wimbledon a joke then you might as well call RG a joke as well. They are basically mirrors of each other and even worse that the whole clay season was rather forgettable beyond Nadal. Then you have the two winners of Canada and Cincinnati not even make it out of the 2nd round at the USO. You probably have to go back years and years to even find another instance of that occurring if it ever even occurred at all.
 
Steve0904

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deacsyoga said:
Just curious which slam are you referring to? I assume it is the Australian Open since carnage like the U.S Open this year isnt exactly good, although I could see some who feel differently and claim it shows "depth":rolleyes:. And Wimbledon was a joke apart from an amazing Federer, and Roland Garros almost as big a joke apart from an amazing Nadal.
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I was referring to the AO, yes.
 
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I'd actually say 2016 because Rafa and Fed both missed huge chunks of the year, and Djokovic was worthless after the FO. At least this season Rafa and Fed have factored into most of the season, and some of the young guys have finally made some noise, like Zverev winning two MS titles.
 
deacsyoga

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NoleFam said:
I agree that it's 2017 but if you're going to call Wimbledon a joke then you might as well call RG a joke as well.
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Which I did. Re-read what I said.

Steve0904 said:
I was referring to the AO, yes.
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Which I would agree on then. That was quite a good and entertaining slam, especialy for recent standards. Even in the Djokovic and Murray upset losses they werent downright horrible like they have been a lot of this year.
 
deacsyoga

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NoleFam said:
Yea I see that. I guess I meant to say you might as well call it as big as a joke instead of almost.
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Well I think Wimbledon was marginally worse overall, maybe it is due to it being more recent, but is really arguing over nothing as long as we agree both sucked which is all that matters.
 
deacsyoga

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NatF said:
2006/2015 > 2010 IMO.
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2006 I could see a case for maybe, but 2015 was definitely weaker. I dont think we agree on how weak 2010 was, with you thinking it was worse than I did (maybe since Nadal won 3 slams that year, lol, jk). Even if you think Federer and Murray in 2010 for instance werent great, both were easily still better on the whole than 0lderer and Murray in 2015 IMO. By 2015 Federer wouldnt be capable of the tennis he played at the 2010 Australian and 2010 WTF even on an occasional basis anymore, and his lows were lower than his 2010 lows too. And Murray was consistent but flat out not that good in 2015, unable to even threaten the big guns in the least, which he could do in 2010. I am going by the fairly obvious that despite the year end rankings Murray was better than Djokovic in 2010, which is why I am mentioning him before Djokovic. And the rest of the field in 2015 was much worse than a field that still had Soderling, Davydenko, Slumpovic, Berdych, Tsonga, all being pretty good.
 
NoleFam

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NoleFam said:
. Then you have the two winners of Canada and Cincinnati not even make it out of the 2nd round at the USO. You probably have to go back years and years to even find another instance of that occurring if it ever even occurred at all.
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Check that. It has occurred and looks like the last time it did was in 2002, how ironic, when Canas and Moya won Canada and Cincinnati, and Moya lost in the 2nd round and Canas did not play the USO that year. To find an instance of both winners of the Masters actually losing that early, you have to go back to 1991 when Andrei Chesnokov and Guy Forget won Canada and Cincinnati and both lost in the 2nd round of the USO.
 
NatF

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deacsyoga said:
2006 I could see a case for maybe, but 2015 was definitely weaker. I dont think we agree on how weak 2010 was, with you thinking it was worse than I did (maybe since Nadal won 3 slams that year, lol, jk). Even if you think Federer and Murray in 2010 for instance werent great, both were easily still better on the whole than 0lderer and Murray in 2015 IMO. By 2015 Federer wouldnt be capable of the tennis he played at the 2010 Australian and 2010 WTF even on an occasional basis anymore, and his lows were lower than his 2010 lows too. And Murray was consistent but flat out not that good in 2015, unable to even threaten the big guns in the least, which he could do in 2010. I am going by the fairly obvious that despite the year end rankings Murray was better than Djokovic in 2010, which is why I am mentioning him before Djokovic. And the rest of the field in 2015 was much worse than a field that still had Soderling, Davydenko, Slumpovic, Berdych, Tsonga, all being pretty good.
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Murray in 2015 was clearly better than in 2010. No discussion to be had there. Murray was pants for large swaths of 2010. He was more impressive at the AO in 2015 and more consistent in general. His Shanghai final in 2010 was sensational and he was great in Canada but he only won 70% of his matches that year, 2015 clearly better.

I would say Federer was better in the non-slam events in 2015 by a good margin except at the YEC. He was also better at the AO and FO. He was better at Wimbledon and the USO in 2015. His lows in 2010 were really low, he was full on crap for most of the year after the AO. Wawrinka in 2015 was more of a threat than any of those guys you mentioned. Davydenko disappeared after the AO and Tsonga dropped out the top 10 that year.
 
AnOctorokForDinner

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Still 2002, I suppose, but 2017 isn't much better, however sweet Federer's wins are. Nadal is the saving grace of 2006, and Oldеrer saves 2015 so those years are not so poor. 2016 was actually fairly competitive overall, just that different players were at the top when it started and when it ended. 2010 did not have a singular standout opponent like that (Nadal only played Federer twice), but none of the top events were as muggy as the worst ones in other years (Wimb 02, AO 06, AO 15) and the winners played spectacular, Masters were plenty exciting that year as well bar clay.
 
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NatF said:
Murray in 2015 was clearly better than in 2010. No discussion to be had there. Murray was pants for large swaths of 2010. He was more impressive at the AO in 2015 and more consistent in general. His Shanghai final in 2010 was sensational and he was great in Canada but he only won 70% of his matches that year, 2015 clearly better.

I would say Federer was better in the non-slam events in 2015 by a good margin except at the YEC. He was also better at the AO and FO. He was better at Wimbledon and the USO in 2015. His lows in 2010 were really low, he was full on crap for most of the year after the AO. Wawrinka in 2015 was more of a threat than any of those guys you mentioned. Davydenko disappeared after the AO and Tsonga dropped out the top 10 that year.
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Pretty much how I feel. And lets not forget, Djokovic got his first top ten win over Federer at USO semi, he went nearly nine months without one. Before 2017, it was his worst year without a doubt.
 
NatF

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Hitman said:
Pretty much how I feel. And lets not forget, Djokovic got his first top ten win over Federer at USO semi, he went nearly nine months without one. Before 2017, it was his worst year without a doubt.
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Yeah Djokovic was pretty much garbage that year, he was good at the USO but probably no better than Roddick of 2006 or Federer of 2015. I think 2006 had a really deep top 20 as well to make up for the weak top 5 and top 10.
 
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NatF said:
Yeah Djokovic was pretty much garbage that year, he was good at the USO but probably no better than Roddick of 2006 or Federer of 2015. I think 2006 had a really deep top 20 as well to make up for the weak top 5 and top 10.
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Yeah. I agree.
 
K-H

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NatF said:
2006/2015 > 2010 IMO.

I'd put 2002 and 2016 below it and 2017 at the bottom.
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The last 4 at each grand slam. I'd say 10 looks more stronger. It's hard to judge just based on 4 tournaments but they're the biggest and it's what you think of, when deciding whether the field is strong or not.

AO 2006
Federer
Kiefer
Baghdatis
Nalbandian

AO 10
Federer
Murray
Tsonga
Cilic

-

FO 06
Nadal
Lubicic
Nalbandian
Federer

FO 10
Nadal
Berdych
Soderling
Melzer

-

W06
Federer
Bjorkman
Baghdatis
Nadal

W10
Nadal
Djokovic
Murray
Berdych

-

US open 06
Federer
Roddick
Youzhny
Davydenko

US open 10
Nadal
Federer
Djokovic
Youzhny
 
NatF

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K-H said:
The last 4 at each grand slam. I'd say 10 looks more stronger. It's hard to judge just based on 4 tournaments but they're the biggest and it's what you think of, when deciding whether the field is strong or not.

AO 2006
Federer
Kiefer
Baghdatis
Nalbandian

AO 10
Federer
Murray
Tsonga
Cilic

-

FO 06
Nadal
Lubicic
Nalbandian
Federer

FO 10
Nadal
Berdych
Soderling
Melzer

-

W06
Federer
Bjorkman
Baghdatis
Nadal

W10
Nadal
Djokovic
Murray
Berdych

-

US open 06
Federer
Roddick
Youzhny
Davydenko

US open 10
Nadal
Federer
Djokovic
Youzhny
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Form matters more than names man. No time now but will give my thoughts in depth tomorrow.
 
K

KINGROGER

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2016 or 2017.

2017 is better because you have a very strong AO, and Fedal on form.

2016 is worse cus all the slams were terrible and Murrovic.
 
Dope Reign

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NatF said:
Form matters more than names man.
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It's not about their name is it? It's about their ability
Form matters more than ability.
Sometimes it does.
Sometimes mediocre form star is still often good enough to beat form of his life mediocre player.
If form was the be all, I wouldn't be backing so many losing horses, lol.
 
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AnOctorokForDinner said:
Still 2002, I suppose, but 2017 isn't much better, however sweet Federer's wins are. Nadal is the saving grace of 2006, and Oldеrer saves 2015 so those years are not so poor. 2016 was actually fairly competitive overall, just that different players were at the top when it started and when it ended. 2010 did not have a singular standout opponent like that (Nadal only played Federer twice), but none of the top events were as muggy as the worst ones in other years (Wimb 02, AO 06, AO 15) and the winners played spectacular, Masters were plenty exciting that year as well bar clay.
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You're honestly pretty dumb if you say 2002, or you never actually watched tennis then.

FO and Wimbledon this year were jokes, Rafa playing Thiem and injured Stan.. Lmao.

Fed winning Wimbledon without dropping a set at 36. Lol.

The US Open this year is so bad I haven't bothered really watching much of it.

Then I remembered you're a dumbass as I've already schooled you about Roddick before ('cause you're THAT in love with Fed you can't give even his competition credit for anything).

Stop posting, seriously bro.
 
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Also oh my god. The topic of strength of eras seriously needs to be banned from this place. At least temporarily, or segregated to one mega-thread or something which I and other sane people can then ignore.

More than half of the poor arguments on here are about this, and they just go round in circles with no-one ever changing their mind. 0% productive.
This is time in your life that you will never get back.

Everyone ever deserves everything they have won ever. You play who is in front of you. Anything else isn't just dead wrong, it's trolling and should be deleted. End of discussion.
 
AnOctorokForDinner

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Sabratha said:
You're honestly pretty dumb if you say 2002, or you never actually watched tennis then.
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A classic case of "anyone who disagrees with my opinion is stupid", I see. Now that's an actually stupid thing to think.

FO and Wimbledon this year were jokes, Rafa playing Thiem and injured Stan.. Lmao.
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How do you know 2017 Nadal wouldn't have won 2002 RG in straights if he were in Costa's place? Obviously Costa's road was harder, but Nadal's level was higher as well. He's good at making everyone look bad on clay when confidence is there.

Fed winning Wimbledon without dropping a set at 36. Lol.
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What about the actual match quality? The final was largely junk, but so was the 2002 final. Do you think 2002 QFs-SFs were better just for the fact of going the distance (other than Hewitt-Henman)?

The US Open this year is so bad I haven't bothered really watching much of it.
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The upsets have been pretty fun, but yeah, the quality is questionable so far - the tournament's not done yet, though.

Then I remembered you're a dumbass as I've already schooled you about Roddick before ('cause you're THAT in love with Fed you can't give even his competition credit for anything).

Stop posting, seriously bro.
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Roddick was surely better than the likes of Berdych et al., but his playing style fell right into Federer's comfort zone, so he was only dangerous on a handful of occasions (and choked most of them, sad scenes). Hewitt would've been a better challenge off grass had injuries not robbed him of speed.
 
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