Joyce Leaves Azarenka

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Ben Rothenberg‏Verified account @BenRothenberg 6m6 minutes ago
Some news: Michael Joyce has stopped coaching Victoria Azarenka, who continues to be sidelined by a custody dispute. Here’s his statement:

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Phoenix1983

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Fedinkum said:
Who’s kid did she have?
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Was it Redfoo's? Or did she stop dating him?

In any case, this is a really rubbish situation for Vika.

Along with Serena's pregnancy, Kvitova's burglary stabbing incident and Sharapova's drug ban, a lot of the women who would make the game more interesting and competitive have been going through enforced absences/periods of recovery at present - leaving us with a bunch of pygmies at the top of the sport.
 
Red Rick

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What was the saga again? She gets a kid with an American dude, and they split when on American soil, and the dude demands custody?

Could've seen that coming from miles away. How long did she date the guy anyway?
 
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Mainad said:
For at least 9 months? ;)
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Seems I need to teach TTW some biology.

A pregnancy doesn't last 9 months
It is typically 9 months from the last menstruation till birth
Ovulation and conception usually happen around midway through the cycle

Ergo, a pregnancy lasts 8 and a half months.
 
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Red Rick said:
Seems I need to teach TTW some biology.

A pregnancy doesn't last 9 months
It is typically 9 months from the last menstruation till birth
Ovulation and conception usually happen around midway through the cycle

Ergo, a pregnancy lasts 8 and a half months.
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Nitpicker!
 
every7

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This Billy McKeague guy is an absolute scumbag.

It pains me to say this but Vika really does not know how to pick them. One deadbeat after another unfortunately.

Very sad situation and definitely not something such a great young woman should have to endure.

Big learning experiences from this, and I just hope she keeps saving up this time she's missing on court and puts the "strength in the bank" to hava a really back-ended career a la Clijsters.
 
Aussie Darcy

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Red Rick said:
What was the saga again? She gets a kid with an American dude, and they split when on American soil, and the dude demands custody?

Could've seen that coming from miles away. How long did she date the guy anyway?
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There's wanting custody and then there's not allowing the baby to leave the state to travel with the mother for her career. Baby couldn't leave California so she had to skip the US Open in New York and didn't play for the rest of the year. She had to forgo all potential income from these tennis tournaments because she couldn't bring her then 8 month old? Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Making a woman choose between her career and baby doesn't sit well with me. Fair enough he's entitled to some custody but what's going on is awful.
 
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every7 said:
This Billy McKeague guy is an absolute scumbag.

It pains me to say this but Vika really does not know how to pick them. One deadbeat after another unfortunately.

Very sad situation and definitely not something such a great young woman should have to endure.

Big learning experiences from this, and I just hope she keeps saving up this time she's missing on court and puts the "strength in the bank" to hava a really back-ended career a la Clijsters.
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some women are bored by "good guys" and are attracted to the "bad guys". many of those women know about the risk but they still don't feel attracted to the normal nice men so they always come back to the bad guy hoping that there maybe is one they can Change enough.
 
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dominikk1985 said:
some women are bored by "good guys" and are attracted to the "bad guys". many of those women know about the risk but they still don't feel attracted to the normal nice men so they always come back to the bad guy hoping that there maybe is one they can Change enough.
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Then it's really hard to feel sorry for them when stuff like this happens to them
 
SpinToWin

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None of our business in my book what happens between the parents. We don’t know the details anyhow.

Should be a lesson to girls though. Get married (and not in a rushed manner), then have kids.
 
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SQA333 said:
Then it's really hard to feel sorry for them when stuff like this happens to them
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well if you attracted to Girls that have big **** you don't suddenly feel attracted to small **** if you realize that big **** are bad for you (although I can't imagine a Scenario where that would be true:D). you can't really Chose what you feel attracted to.
 
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dominikk1985 said:
some women are bored by "good guys" and are attracted to the "bad guys". many of those women know about the risk but they still don't feel attracted to the normal nice men so they always come back to the bad guy hoping that there maybe is one they can Change enough.
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A woman always want to change the guy. If they had a “nice” guy, her job is done. Bad guy is more challenging.
 
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dominikk1985 said:
some women are bored by "good guys" and are attracted to the "bad guys". many of those women know about the risk but they still don't feel attracted to the normal nice men so they always come back to the bad guy hoping that there maybe is one they can Change enough.
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Hear hear.

I don't have much sympathy with women who get with a bad guy then complain when they're treated bad, even if she is a good tennis player. So my hearts not bleeding for her.

When women say "i want a nice guy with no drama" it's the biggest lie in the world :rolleyes:
 
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Mainad said:
Evidently not given that he's busy trying to keep her away from their baby!
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We don't know both sides so this seems a rash statement. Azarenka wanted the baby to travel with her to tournaments so is the father obliged to simply hand it over? Nearly always in custody battles the father gets screwed over, with the children automatically going to the mother and the father fighting for access. Thought feminism was about equal rights.....
 
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dominikk1985 said:
some women are bored by "good guys" and are attracted to the "bad guys". many of those women know about the risk but they still don't feel attracted to the normal nice men so they always come back to the bad guy hoping that there maybe is one they can Change enough.
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I know what you mean, but in this case this guy is not the classic "bad boy" style male template. If you see when they were together he is just a golf guy and Vika used to out-train him and was in better physical shape than him and seemed to have the power in the relationship.

To me the situation seems more like he is a nerd, and he has become really bitter and passive aggressive and hiding behind the legal systems to punish Vika after she broke up with him.

I do get what you mean about "Bad Boys" and also "Bad Girls", though. Many people are attracted to this dysfunctional character type for all sorts of reasons.

Vika seems to have been more attracted to goofy, nerdy creative type guys in the past, who are maybe a bit wacky or fun-loving. This guy seemed like another of those until he has turned very vindictive with the custodies and separation. Very disgusting behaviours.

Her dating history are people like Redfoo, Monfils and these sorts of quirky guys normally.
 
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ohiostate124 said:
So the guy is evil because they are in a custody battle?
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He is evil because he is manipulating the custody situation to negatively affect her career.

He is deliberately leveraging Vika's outright devotion to her child to keep her from performing her profession.

He is doing the exact thing people recommend against which is putting the child right in the middle of a difficult separation and legal process.

His sporting career is over, and he doesn't have nearly the same travel obligations as Vika. The least he could do is compromise so Vika can resume her career while prioritizing everything around their child, but instead he is doing the opposite. So Vika is prioritizing the child at the cost of her career. It's admirable that she is doing that. It's a sacrifice that even a lot of regular people don't make, let alone World #1 tennis players. If McKeague had co-operated she could have resumed her career and prioritized parenting, but he has elected not to.

Very stupid, selfish and vindictive behaviour imo.

The guy is showing himself to be a real passive aggressive b%&*h in front of the whole world. Embarrassing stuff for sure.......
 
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every7 said:
He is evil because he is manipulating the custody situation to negatively affect her career.

He is deliberately leveraging Vika's outright devotion to her child to keep her from performing her profession.

He is doing the exact thing people recommend against which is putting the child right in the middle of a difficult separation and legal process.

His sporting career is over, and he doesn't have nearly the same travel obligations as Vika. The least he could do is compromise so Vika can resume her career while prioritizing everything around their child, but instead he is doing the opposite. So Vika is prioritizing the child at the cost of her career. It's admirable that she is doing that. It's a sacrifice that even a lot of regular people don't make, let alone World #1 tennis players. If McKeague had co-operated she could have resumed her career and prioritized parenting, but he has elected not to.

Very stupid, selfish and vindictive behaviour imo.

The guy is showing himself to be a real passive aggressive b%&*h in front of the whole world. Embarrassing stuff for sure.......
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Resume her career but also prioritize the child? How is that going to work? When exactly is she supposed to find time to deal with this while trying to keep up with an extremely busy tennis schedule? You are just blindly defending the tennis player in this situation.
 
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ohiostate124 said:
Resume her career but also prioritize the child? How is that going to work? When exactly is she supposed to find time to deal with this while trying to keep up with an extremely busy tennis schedule? You are just blindly defending the tennis player in this situation.
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I am defending Vika, but I urge you to read more about the case before you assert that what I am doing is blindly defending her.

Agree resuming her career and prioritizing her child is already a difficult situation.

Also understand it is a very difficult situation for McKeague, too, and he has suffered tremendously from the separation.

With that said, there is a pretty clear exit strategy here in terms of what is best outcome for the child, Azarenka and McKeague. It involves a small compromise from McKeague, which he has elected not to follow for punitive reasons.
 
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You are probably right, but that is the way the game is normally played.

She wants to take the child around the world minded by nannies.

He obviously doesn't like that and perhaps in part for financial reasons.

But who knows?

every7 said:
He is evil because he is manipulating the custody situation to negatively affect her career.

He is deliberately leveraging Vika's outright devotion to her child to keep her from performing her profession.

He is doing the exact thing people recommend against which is putting the child right in the middle of a difficult separation and legal process.

His sporting career is over, and he doesn't have nearly the same travel obligations as Vika. The least he could do is compromise so Vika can resume her career while prioritizing everything around their child, but instead he is doing the opposite. So Vika is prioritizing the child at the cost of her career. It's admirable that she is doing that. It's a sacrifice that even a lot of regular people don't make, let alone World #1 tennis players. If McKeague had co-operated she could have resumed her career and prioritized parenting, but he has elected not to.

Very stupid, selfish and vindictive behaviour imo.

The guy is showing himself to be a real passive aggressive b%&*h in front of the whole world. Embarrassing stuff for sure.......
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Aussie Darcy

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People on this forum continue to astound me. As if it's somehow Azarenka's fault this is happening because she fell for a bad guy or should have gotten married before having a kid.

Instead of blaming the woman for who she fell for, blame the 'bad guy' as some of you call him. The blaming of women by certain members on this forum is so blatantly obvious and just plainly sexist.
 
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Aussie Darcy said:
People on this forum continue to astound me. As if it's somehow Azarenka's fault this is happening because she fell for a bad guy or should have gotten married before having a kid.

Instead of blaming the woman for who she fell for, blame the 'bad guy' as some of you call him. The blaming of women by certain members on this forum is so blatantly obvious and just plainly sexist.
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You have to shake your head at some of the people defending McKeague. Talk about "fighting the good fight" lol. If they took even a cursory look at the case and assessed McKeague's behaviour they would realise how ridiculous his behaviour has been. The people who are defaulting to defending him (maybe out of a men's / paternal rights agenda? I don't know....) is a terrible approach here. The guy is a deadbeat, passive aggressive loser who is working against the best interests of his own child just to fulfill a petty, self-serving agenda.

cc0509 said:
He's some nobody freeloader trying to sponge off her.
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Agree.
 
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Aussie Darcy said:
People on this forum continue to astound me. As if it's somehow Azarenka's fault this is happening because she fell for a bad guy or should have gotten married before having a kid.

Instead of blaming the woman for who she fell for, blame the 'bad guy' as some of you call him. The blaming of women by certain members on this forum is so blatantly obvious and just plainly sexist.
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I don't know enough about the situation to assign blame but I'll just say that it must have been a joint decision by them to have a child.
 
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Aussie Darcy said:
People on this forum continue to astound me. As if it's somehow Azarenka's fault this is happening because she fell for a bad guy or should have gotten married before having a kid.

Instead of blaming the woman for who she fell for, blame the 'bad guy' as some of you call him. The blaming of women by certain members on this forum is so blatantly obvious and just plainly sexist.
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Yes, she should have gotten married before having a kid. There almost never is a situation where there’s legitimately only one person at fault, but Azarenka made a poor choice which happened to result in a bad outcome.

It’s possible to say two things at once. Is the father being an ******* about this? Perhaps (or likely even), I do not know the details, and I’m not sure if anyone outside of those involved legitimately does. It is evidently clear though that it is not a good idea to have a child out of wedlock. That’s not victim blaming as you are framing it, it’s an important thing to point out so that others do not make the same mistake. Now that the bad situation has become reality, it’s a whole new question what to do about it, and I simply doubt we know enough to be able to say what is going on.
 
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dominikk1985 said:
does that mean a woman can't have a career and a child?
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Depends what it means to have a child and what it means to have a career. Many women want to spend a lot of time with their kids, and that is admirable. You might call that the canonical role of the mother, something which unfortunately seems to be scoffed at lately. A career correctly understood requires a lot of time, as you need to dedicate your abilities fully to it to achieve success. A career and a job are two different things.

Now, one thing I will say is that it is the height of egoism when parents both pursue careers while having kids. I know only rare exceptions which turned out well in such environments, several people I’ve gone to school with who grew up in such circumstances are drug addicts and 2 have already died.

Parenting is a demanding job, and in my mind the most admirable and praise-worthy job there is.
 
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SpinToWin said:
Now, one thing I will say is that it is the height of egoism when parents both pursue careers while having kids. I know only rare exceptions which turned out well in such environments, several people I’ve gone to school with who grew up in such circumstances are drug addicts and 2 have already died.

Parenting is a demanding job, and in my mind the most admirable and praise-worthy job there is.
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First of all persuing a carrer does not make you selfish and immediatly makes you a horrible parent. Being a good or bad parent has nothing to do with your carrer and there are so many horrible parents out there that treat their children badly it really has nothing to do with having a carrer.
Being a good parent is certainly not easy you must give your kid love and affection and be involved in his/her life and you can archieve being a great parent having a carrer or not having one. It all comes down to your dedication.
 
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Cecilia said:
First of all persuing a carrer does not make you selfish and immediatly makes you a horrible parent. Being a good or bad parent has nothing to do with your carrer and there are so many horrible parents out there that treat their children badly it really has nothing to do with having a carrer.
Being a good parent is certainly not easy you must give your kid love and affection and be involved in his/her life and you can archieve being a great parent having a carrer or not having one. It all comes down to your dedication.
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Sweet nothings.

Careers demand time and attention and so do children. The vast majority of people do not have enough of either to pursue both a career and raise their children in a way that aims for their good. I tip my hat to the parents who do manage to handle both, but they’re the absolute minute exception. The others are outside the house more often than inside and usually get nannies or something to raise their burdensome kids so that they can pursue self gratifying careers.
 
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