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Becker is just jealous. He sucks compared to all of them
saw Becker play on Tennis Classics against Agassi. It was a davis cup match from the 90's. Would love to see Boris compete against today's stars. He hit unbelievably hard of the ground and followed his serve in against on of the all time returniong greats. Because of the pressure he kept putting on players, (except on clay) I believe he would consistently beaten Nadal and most other players and given Federer all he wanted most days.
Becker is just jealous. He sucks compared to all of them
Becker was the first superathletic tennis players. Acoording to Brad Gilbert, Becker intimidated the other players. I remembre his bleeding knees and elbows in several matches. He had great matches against Sampras. The final of the Masters Cup in Hamburg in 1996 (not sure the date) is a classic.
I had the privilege of watching his last professional single match at the Ericsson Open at Key Biscayne. Lost to Safin 7/6 6/0. In the same tournament he reached the doubles semifinals partnering with Gambill.
He was an hybrid between Safin and Nadal plus Sampras volleys.
imagine if philiopoussis trained as hard as ferrer and you get an idea of becker.
why is becker not someone's coach?? he would make a great coach
it was hannover not hamburg*
his last professional match was wimbledon 1999 vs rafter*
Some of my favorite matches were Becker/Sampras. That was a collossal match up and one of the best rivalries of all time. Epic.
Hail to Becker - he is sorely missed.
Jet
Becker is 4-10 lifetime against Agassi with the first 3 wins coming before 1990 or before Agassi turned 20. Considering that Becker is only 2 and a half years older than Agassi and their careers had a great deal of overlap that's a rather pathetic record, plus Agassi slacked off during stretches in the 90s.
Becker lost to Sampras in the final of the 1996 ATP Tour World Championships in Hannover, Germany, 3-6, 7-6, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4. Becker saved two match points in the fourth set and held serve 27 consecutive times until he was broken in the penultimate game. Sampras, who had lost to Becker a month earlier in a five-set final in Stuttgart, later called Becker the best indoor player he ever faced. that says enough...
I'm guessing that he never had the pleasure of getting a beat down from Federer. He retired shortly after Federer turned pro.
Becker is 4-10 lifetime against Agassi with the first 3 wins coming before 1990 or before Agassi turned 20. Considering that Becker is only 2 and a half years older than Agassi and their careers had a great deal of overlap that's a rather pathetic record, plus Agassi slacked off during stretches in the 90s. Becker could'nt handle Agassi's return and could'nt consistently hang with him from the baseline. Federer returns pretty well and could outrally Agassi. Federer handles power very well too as evidenced by his consistent success returning Roddick's serve and handling the groundstrokes of power baseliners like Gonzalez. He also has great passing shots on both sides and is a very good volleyer himself. Federer is at or near the top in both holding and breaking serve stats and that probably makes him unique among all past great champions.
Federer does everything equal or better than Becker. The only area Becker is arguably better is maybe the serve but while his serve was considered among the biggest for most of his career more players with big serves started to come out in the 90s so that Becker did'nt even have as much of an advantage anymore even on his biggest weapon. Federer has an underrated serve and was 3rd on the tour in aces last year. Federer has a much better return and return game in general. His forehand is probably the best overall and his backhand one of the best.
In short, I think Federer would win at least 8 out 10 matches against Becker if both were in their prime. It would be closer on grass or fast indoor surfaces but Federer would still have an overall edge. Federer would win almost all of the matches on medium speed hardcourt and absolutely own Becker on clay or slow hardcourt.
The weakest part of Sampras' game was his backhand and his return game overall. Sampras relied so much on his serve and volley game that he did'nt break serve often and had many close sets and matches. While Sampras won most of those matches his backhand and return game cost him a number of matches every year which made it tough for him to keep his losses in the single digits in a year unlike Federer who has done it for 3 straight years and counting. Sampras had at least a few early round exits every year and while he finished number 1 for 6 straight years he temporarily gave up the top spot a number of times during those 6 years because his points advantage was usually slim compared to Federer's stranglehold in the rankings.
I think there's no question that Agassi was a greater player than Becker, and that the American posed particular match-up problems for the German. But we shouldn't overlook who Becker DID beat. He went 5-1 in Grand Slams against Lendl, one of the all-time baseliners; he beat Lendl at Wimbledon in 1986, 1988 and 1989, as well as at the US Open in 1989--and these were during Lendl's very best years! On the flipside, Lendl seemed to own Agassi on the big stages: he won easily in both of their Grand Slam meetings, at the US Open in 1988 and 1989. Of course, both of these matches were before Agassi really hit his stride, and he did manage to win his last two matches against Lendl in 1992 and 1993. But it's hard to say how these two would have done had they played each other in their respective primes; even harder to say how Becker would have fared against Federer. Pure, idle speculation.
ridiculous.By your logic federer should OWN Safin, but he doesn't, it's all about the match up.
I'm guessing that he never had the pleasure of getting a beat down from Federer. He retired shortly after Federer turned pro.
Becker is 4-10 lifetime against Agassi with the first 3 wins coming before 1990 or before Agassi turned 20. Considering that Becker is only 2 and a half years older than Agassi and their careers had a great deal of overlap that's a rather pathetic record, plus Agassi slacked off during stretches in the 90s. Becker could'nt handle Agassi's return and could'nt consistently hang with him from the baseline. Federer returns pretty well and could outrally Agassi. Federer handles power very well too as evidenced by his consistent success returning Roddick's serve and handling the groundstrokes of power baseliners like Gonzalez. He also has great passing shots on both sides and is a very good volleyer himself. Federer is at or near the top in both holding and breaking serve stats and that probably makes him unique among all past great champions.
Federer does everything equal or better than Becker. The only area Becker is arguably better is maybe the serve but while his serve was considered among the biggest for most of his career more players with big serves started to come out in the 90s so that Becker did'nt even have as much of an advantage anymore even on his biggest weapon. Federer has an underrated serve and was 3rd on the tour in aces last year. Federer has a much better return and return game in general. His forehand is probably the best overall and his backhand one of the best.
In short, I think Federer would win at least 8 out 10 matches against Becker if both were in their prime. It would be closer on grass or fast indoor surfaces but Federer would still have an overall edge. Federer would win almost all of the matches on medium speed hardcourt and absolutely own Becker on clay or slow hardcourt.
The weakest part of Sampras' game was his backhand and his return game overall. Sampras relied so much on his serve and volley game that he did'nt break serve often and had many close sets and matches. While Sampras won most of those matches his backhand and return game cost him a number of matches every year which made it tough for him to keep his losses in the single digits in a year unlike Federer who has done it for 3 straight years and counting. Sampras had at least a few early round exits every year and while he finished number 1 for 6 straight years he temporarily gave up the top spot a number of times during those 6 years because his points advantage was usually slim compared to Federer's stranglehold in the rankings.
To have an idea of how real S&Vers would attack and occasionally dismantle Federer, I refer you to the 2001 pasting (6-3, 6-1) Federer received at the hands of a late in his game Patrick Rafter. He made Federer look like a junior in that match and exposed Federer's weaknesses against a true, skilled S&Ver.
This match also showed how important for Federer's games the new, more powerful Wilson racquets are. Federer had virtually no pace from the ground or on his serve with the Sampras 85.
Boys, you've been decieved by the weakness and redundancy of today's players.
Federer would have taken many lumps from the great S&Vers of the 90s.
And if you want to see him handled by a baseliner, I refer you to the 2004 RG match against a still-recovering Kuerten.
Federer should be happy he's playing at a low-point in the men's game. His all-around skills make him next-to unbeatable against these cookie-cutter players.
Flame on, but if you have the guts, buy the match and watch your boy-idol have his azz handed to him on a silver platter. Rafter didn't do anything special, certainly nothing Becker, Edberg, Krajciek and a few others couldn't have done.
And Sampras would've done the same to him, BTW, just like he did to Safin and Roddick...
And an Agassi from '95-2000 would've been a toss-up against a Federer of today. Agassi would've have played him like Nadal and Kuerten, mentally and physically.
Becker lost to Agassi because he tried to S&V against Andre, which is Andre's strength. How many times have you seen Federer even play around with S&Ving against Agassi??? Maybe twice and he was smoked on both points. If Federer tried to S&V with Agassi he'd be lucky to take 4 out of 10.
At least Federer is smart enough to know how to attack the old man. All of it just goes to show how brilliant Sampras was.....
Tennis is a game of match-ups, likes and dislikes, strengths and weaknesses. Other than Nadal, Federer hasn't face a player with strengths that neutralize his and take advantage of his weaknesses.
Has Federer improved? Of course. Does he still have the same weaknesses that can be exploited? DEFINITELY.
Ask Nadal if you don't believe me. And he doesn't even have a serious serve or volley, let alone chip and charge.
If you watch this match against Rafter and still think Federer is the GOAT by judging him against today's competition, especially Roddick, you're delusional.
Cavaleer
becker had 2 issues that ruined a potentially greatER career:
1. issue with focus on career
2. stubbornness
becker had a poor record against agassi not because he played S&V. Rather, it's because he didn't play S&V. up until 1989, becker played agassi with pure serve-volley (at least on his own games) and was leading 3-0 H2H. their 1989 davis cup match was an all-time classic which fans of both becker and agassi should watch. becker won 6-7,6-7,7-6,7-5,6-3 or some thing of the sort.
from 1990, becker was not the same as he was before. he started having those distractions with women, liquor etc. on the day of the 1990 wim F against edberg, he said (in his autobiography) that he couldn't sleep till 10.30 PM. so, he took a sleeping pill with whiskey but he woke up at 4.30 while the match was still 8 hrs away. so, he took another pill with whiskey. so, when the time came to practice around 10.30, he was so groggy that he hardly did anything. he said it wasn't until the end of the second set that the effects of the drug wore off.
becker also was very stubborn right from the beginning. he used to get a kick out of beating baseliners like wilander, lendl etc. at their own game. agassi also mentioned a couple of things. in the book "winning ugly", agassi said he was often surprised about becker's strategy in rallying with him from the baseline, particularly bcos becker was a poor mover. in another interview after a match with sampras sometime in 1998-1999, agassi was asked if he feared sampras from the beginning or something of the sort. he replied in the negative. he said that becker was the guy he feared. his exact statement was "when i lost my first 3 matches against boris, i was like "how am i going to beat this guy ?". i've never felt that way about pete.".
pete also, during his Semi-final interview in the 1990 USO, said "becker had the wrong strategy. instead of trying to come to the net as soon as he can, he tried to play from the baseline against andre."
becker was a decently fast mover till 1989. due to his poor work ethics, his mobility took a serious decline from 1990 onwards and he never regained his earlier athleticism. otherwise, becker's game was good enough to beat agassi on grass and the faster HC.
Boys, you've been decieved by the weakness and redundancy of today's players.
Federer should be happy he's playing at a low-point in the men's game. His all-around skills make him next-to unbeatable against these cookie-cutter players.
If you watch this match against Rafter and still think Federer is the GOAT by judging him against today's competition, especially Roddick, you're delusional.
I don't think he'd be a good coach at all for the same reason I don't think Mac was a good coach -- the game came too easily to him. He played on instinct, pure talent, not saying he was a dummy but he never had to think out there the way a Gilbert did.why is becker not someone's coach?? he would make a great coach
Agreed. I posted a while back that with the dearth of grass court players in the world today - players that REALLY know how to play on grass - BB could come back right now and make an impact.
Some of my favorite matches were Becker/Sampras. That was a collossal match up and one of the best rivalries of all time. Epic.
Hail to Becker - he is sorely missed.
Jet
becker had 2 issues that ruined a potentially greatER career:
becker also was very stubborn right from the beginning. he used to get a kick out of beating baseliners like wilander, lendl etc. at their own game.
Interesting. It's the first time I heard this. Where did you hear this or get this from? I don't remember Becker beating these guys from the back court.
Your post however is right on about Becker. He had such an awesome game. I wished he lived up to his potential. I know 6 slams and being one of the greats is freaking awesome but I do believe he could have accomplished much more.
Interesting. It's the first time I heard this. Where did you hear this or get this from? I don't remember Becker beating these guys from the back court.
Your post however is right on about Becker. He had such an awesome game. I wished he lived up to his potential. I know 6 slams and being one of the greats is freaking awesome but I do believe he could have accomplished much more.
I'm disturbed.
I really shouldn't get into it now; there may be kiddies reading! Suffice to say that Internet slang can sometimes produce dubious results ...
Very sorry to hear about your leg, BTW. Do get well.
Becker was a fantastic player but I recall he did not have much luck against Sampras. He could beat everyone but not Sampras.