Australia said no to Tsitsipas

Last year while watching The Daily Serve (preview show for Grand Slams we have here on one of our cable channels) Wally Masur who is head of performance at Tennis Australia admitted he "dropped the ball" regarding Tsitsipas.

He explained that the Tsitsipas family had expressed interest in moving from the economically crippled Greece for a better future for the whole family and having Stefanos train and play for Australia.

Wally went to Athens to see the 16 year old Tsitsipas to see if he was worth the investment for Tennis Australa, he felt that Tsitsipas was an ok 16 year old but didn't feel he possessed what it took to be a top player so Wally Masur said no to Tsitsipas and the rest is history.

Good old Tennis Australia, always on the money.
 

cluckcluck

Hall of Fame
Ah, but if they had taken him and he and his family gotten out, had extra money, been more comfortable, etc, would he be the same player that he is now? Maybe something TA would have done with him would've held him back. Maybe they'd screw him up like Tomic, Kygrios, etc.
I'm pretty sure TA didn't screw up Tomic, i believe his dad did. NK on the other hand, oh boy, not even sure where to point the finger.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
He seems to suffer from an overly-indulgent mother, as does his brother, with his Greek father deferring to her running of the family ... as is usual.
I'm pretty sure TA didn't screw up Tomic, i believe his dad did. NK on the other hand, oh boy, not even sure where to point the finger.
 
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Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Last year while watching The Daily Serve (preview show for Grand Slams we have here on one of our cable channels) Wally Masur who is head of performance at Tennis Australia admitted he "dropped the ball" regarding Tsitsipas.

He explained that the Tsitsipas family had expressed interest in moving from the economically crippled Greece for a better future for the whole family and having Stefanos train and play for Australia.

Wally went to Athens to see the 16 year old Tsitsipas to see if he was worth the investment for Tennis Australa, he felt that Tsitsipas was an ok 16 year old but didn't feel he possessed what it took to be a top player so Wally Masur said no to Tsitsipas and the rest is history.

Good old Tennis Australia, always on the money.

What a failure. At least he admitted it though.
 

Indigo

Professional
Djokovic had offers to play for Great Britain, but he thanked them on their offers. Don't see that he missed anything. In fact, it made him better. He practiced in an empty swimming pool while USA and GB bombed his country. Now he can crush any player that had all sophisticated sports courts and equipment coming from the developed countries that bombed his country. What these countries have like half a billion of people and can't produce a player to beat one Djokovic? There is also a sense of national pride in this situations. You don't sell your faith for dinner and lose your soul. If Stefanos went and played for Australia he would always felt like a traitor in his heart. Now all Greece is proud of him, his motherland. From here to eternity.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Greeks in Greece (and elsewhere) are a very hard-working people, apart from the ones in public service jobs. And people say that of all public servants.

The Greek elite got stooged/bribed into joining the Eurozone by engaging in fraudulent misconduct with the European banking elite.

When their economy tanked from, essentially, an uncompetitive and over-valued currency the country was asset-stripped by the banks.

Yeah, Greek work ethics is prevelant in all the immigrants that left Greece for a better life, the ones back there are lazy as f**k which makes it even more bizarre that Tsitsipas has succeeded.

Must have something to do with his mother being Russian.
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Last year while watching The Daily Serve (preview show for Grand Slams we have here on one of our cable channels) Wally Masur who is head of performance at Tennis Australia admitted he "dropped the ball" regarding Tsitsipas.

He explained that the Tsitsipas family had expressed interest in moving from the economically crippled Greece for a better future for the whole family and having Stefanos train and play for Australia.

Wally went to Athens to see the 16 year old Tsitsipas to see if he was worth the investment for Tennis Australa, he felt that Tsitsipas was an ok 16 year old but didn't feel he possessed what it took to be a top player so Wally Masur said no to Tsitsipas and the rest is history.

Good old Tennis Australia, always on the money.

Wally being a complete Wally? Isn't the benefit of hindsight lovely? :laughing:
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Djokovic had offers to play for Great Britain, but he thanked them on their offers. Don't see that he missed anything. In fact, it made him better. He practiced in an empty swimming pool while USA and GB bombed his country. Now he can crush any player that had all sophisticated sports courts and equipment coming from the developed countries that bombed his country. What these countries have like half a billion of people and can't produce a player to beat one Djokovic? There is also a sense of national pride in this situations. You don't sell your faith for dinner and lose your soul. If Stefanos went and played for Australia he would always felt like a traitor in his heart. Now all Greece is proud of him, his motherland. From here to eternity.

Our Andy beat him a few times. :cool:
 
Which country you play for in tennis isn't as critical as in football for example. I wish it were but the only time nationality really matters is at the Olympics and Davis Cup - both of these could be much better than they currently are at playing on international rivarlies.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Which country you play for in tennis isn't as critical as in football for example. I wish it were but the only time nationality really matters is at the Olympics and Davis Cup - both of these could be much better than they currently are at playing on international rivarlies.

It can matter insofar as you need financial support and believe you can get a better deal from another countries tennis federation. Or in his case apparently wanting to move his entire family. And myth making stories aside I recall Djokovic went to Germany to develop his game ?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/jun/18/andy-murray-novak-djokovic-wimbledon
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic had offers to play for Great Britain, but he thanked them on their offers. Don't see that he missed anything. In fact, it made him better. He practiced in an empty swimming pool while USA and GB bombed his country. Now he can crush any player that had all sophisticated sports courts and equipment coming from the developed countries that bombed his country. What these countries have like half a billion of people and can't produce a player to beat one Djokovic? There is also a sense of national pride in this situations. You don't sell your faith for dinner and lose your soul. If Stefanos went and played for Australia he would always felt like a traitor in his heart. Now all Greece is proud of him, his motherland. From here to eternity.
riiiiiiight,
nothing says national pride more than avoiding paying taxes in said nation...
 

Adm

Rookie
He seems to suffer from an overly-indulgent mother, as does his brother, with his Greek father deferring to her running of the family ... as is usual.


I am really impressed by the wisdom of your words... even if I disagree with other posts of yours.

You speak like you know him in person, and you probably don't. But it happens to know him myself, and it is amazing how you described something soooo deep and real in such a small paragraph!
 
Greeks in Greece (and elsewhere) are a very hard-working people, apart from the ones in public service jobs. And people say that of all public servants.

The Greek elite got stooged/bribed into joining the Eurozone by engaging in fraudulent misconduct with the European banking elite.

When their economy tanked from, essentially, an uncompetitive and over-valued currency the country was asset-stripped by the banks.

Have spent 6-8 weeks there every year for the last 11 years. Yeah, the general mood over there is to do as little as you have to.

The immigrants that left Greece are totally different, they work till they drop and then work some more.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
Last year while watching The Daily Serve (preview show for Grand Slams we have here on one of our cable channels) Wally Masur who is head of performance at Tennis Australia admitted he "dropped the ball" regarding Tsitsipas.

He explained that the Tsitsipas family had expressed interest in moving from the economically crippled Greece for a better future for the whole family and having Stefanos train and play for Australia.

Wally went to Athens to see the 16 year old Tsitsipas to see if he was worth the investment for Tennis Australa, he felt that Tsitsipas was an ok 16 year old but didn't feel he possessed what it took to be a top player so Wally Masur said no to Tsitsipas and the rest is history.

Good old Tennis Australia, always on the money.
...then these dumb dumbs get what they deserve with Davis Cup & etc.
 
Djokovic had offers to play for Great Britain, but he thanked them on their offers. Don't see that he missed anything. In fact, it made him better. He practiced in an empty swimming pool while USA and GB bombed his country. Now he can crush any player that had all sophisticated sports courts and equipment coming from the developed countries that bombed his country. What these countries have like half a billion of people and can't produce a player to beat one Djokovic? There is also a sense of national pride in this situations. You don't sell your faith for dinner and lose your soul. If Stefanos went and played for Australia he would always felt like a traitor in his heart. Now all Greece is proud of him, his motherland. From here to eternity.
Djokovic is different, he had offers whereas Tsitsipas's wanted in and was declined
 
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Wally being a complete Wally? Isn't the benefit of hindsight lovely? :laughing:
Hindsight is fantastic for the average person but when your job is to identify talent then you need to do that job as that's what you're being paid for, Alicia Molik said yesterday that she remembers Tsitsipas at 16 playing on the European junior tour and that he had the same style game and massive desire to win in each match.

Patrick Mouratoglou saw a youtube video of him in juniors and invited him to is academy for a week, he went and never left.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You are simply wrong. Greeks work very hard, but have low levels of productivity.

They mostly want to work for themselves in small businesses that use antiquated work practices and pay little taxes.

Greeks who travel abroad work hard as paid employees in a job before buying into local small businesses that use antiquated work practices and pay little taxes.

Have spent 6-8 weeks there every year for the last 11 years. Yeah, the general mood over there is to do as little as you have to.

The immigrants that left Greece are totally different, they work till they drop and then work some more.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The two biggest Australian stars of the season, de Minaur and Popryn, were both trained in Europe ... so Tsitsipas was lucky he stayed.

Hindsight is fantastic for the average person but when your job is to identify talent then you need to do that job as that's what you're being paid for, Alicia Molik said yesterday that she remembers Tsitsipas at 16 playing on the European junior tour and that he had the same style game and massive desire to win in each match.

Patrick Mouratoglou saw a youtube video of him in juniors and invited him to is academy for a week, he went and never left.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Hindsight is fantastic for the average person but when your job is to identify talent then you need to do that job as that's what you're being paid for, Alicia Molik said yesterday that she remembers Tsitsipas at 16 playing on the European junior tour and that he had the same style game and massive desire to win in each match.

Patrick Mouratoglou saw a youtube video of him in juniors and invited him to is academy for a week, he went and never left.

Easier said then done. For all we know, Mouratoglou spreads his net very wide; maybe everyone gets a one week invite. And neither him or Molik are mentioning all the juniors they were impressed with that didn’t pan out and vice-versa.
 

-snake-

Hall of Fame
Last year while watching The Daily Serve (preview show for Grand Slams we have here on one of our cable channels) Wally Masur who is head of performance at Tennis Australia admitted he "dropped the ball" regarding Tsitsipas.

He explained that the Tsitsipas family had expressed interest in moving from the economically crippled Greece for a better future for the whole family and having Stefanos train and play for Australia.

Wally went to Athens to see the 16 year old Tsitsipas to see if he was worth the investment for Tennis Australa, he felt that Tsitsipas was an ok 16 year old but didn't feel he possessed what it took to be a top player so Wally Masur said no to Tsitsipas and the rest is history.

Good old Tennis Australia, always on the money.

NK , TK and BT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TitsyMUG. Sorry to tell ya, mate.
 
You are simply wrong. Greeks work very hard, but have low levels of productivity.

They mostly want to work for themselves in small businesses that use antiquated work practices and pay little taxes.

Greeks who travel abroad work hard as paid employees in a job before buying into local small businesses that use antiquated work practices and pay little taxes.
I live it and see it first hand.

Yeah, I agree, Greeks that are immigrants work extremely hard, as did my parents that immigrated from Greece,

But in Greece everyone in there office jobs always are boasting on doing as little as they possible can and now complaining they can no longer retire at 45

Taxi drivers not wanting to do their job because they have to drive in a different direction to what they prefer and leave you stranded on the streets

Try and get some paperwork organised over there, no one wants to do their jobs and they keep sending you off to someone else, after a day of BS you end up to the same person you started with.

Farmers do work hard but they start at 7am and work till lunch and then eat, sleep and then go out for the night, that's fine but it's not like in America or Australia where they work form dusk to dawn.

Don't get me wrong, if that's the way they want to live that's fine but for me it's infuriating when I'm there and I try and get things done and no-one wants to do their job.
 

Zara

G.O.A.T.
Little more than 7 hours to the highly anticipated match, can't wait : )

Question is, will the certified fans become uncertified should the unthinkable happen? Or will there be more certifications?

I can wait though. In fact, I will be sleeping through it.
 
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Ah, but if they had taken him and he and his family gotten out, had extra money, been more comfortable, etc, would he be the same player that he is now? Maybe something TA would have done with him would've held him back. Maybe they'd screw him up like Tomic, Kygrios, etc.

Same question could be asked about Joana konta, another one they let go and pulled funding from. Even though she's not done great recently, she's still the best out of that generation of tennis players that started in Australia
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I've lived and seen it too, but I see the situation differently.

Greeks don't like working in hyper-efficient businesses like Amazon or McDonalds, so they want to be their own boss mostly wherever they are.

Greeks in offices are not lazy. They work in a political and administrative environment however that is clientelistic and slow-moving so it's not Westminster.

Taxi drivers leave you stranded not because they are lazy, but because there is no money in the fare.

I've been treated badly for asking drivers for short trips even in first world countries, so it's hardly news.

The Greeks do indeed mostly have a siesta, but the idea that Australians work from dusk to dawn is an amusing one!

I live it and see it first hand.

Yeah, I agree, Greeks that are immigrants work extremely hard, as did my parents that immigrated from Greece,

But in Greece everyone in there office jobs always are boasting on doing as little as they possible can and now complaining they can no longer retire at 45

Taxi drivers not wanting to do their job because they have to drive in a different direction to what they prefer and leave you stranded on the streets

Try and get some paperwork organised over there, no one wants to do their jobs and they keep sending you off to someone else, after a day of BS you end up to the same person you started with.

Farmers do work hard but they start at 7am and work till lunch and then eat, sleep and then go out for the night, that's fine but it's not like in America or Australia where they work form dusk to dawn.

Don't get me wrong, if that's the way they want to live that's fine but for me it's infuriating when I'm there and I try and get things done and no-one wants to do their job.
 
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Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Qustion is, will the certified fans become uncertified should the unthinkable happens? Or will there be more certifications?

I can wait though. In fact, I will be sleeping thorugh it.

I don’t think there is a process for decertification. In any case, I expect him to be annihilated by VAMOS but still want my certification in effect.
 

Indigo

Professional
Qustion is, will the certified fans become uncertified should the unthinkable happens? Or will there be more certifications?

I can wait though. In fact, I will be sleeping thorugh it.
I just hope it is a great match. Stefanos is honoured to play with Rafa. What a good chance to show his skills once again. Tennis world expects him to shine. Rafa will be on a high level as usual. He's exemplary specimen of a pro. In my part of the world it will be 9:30 am and I will be drinking coffee and watching. I'm lucky to have my own business while working from home so I can sometimes do what I like, watching tennis of course.
 
I've lived and seen it too, but I see the situation differently.

Greeks don't like working in hyper-efficient businesses like Amazon or McDonalds, so they want to be their own boss mostly wherever they are.

Greeks in offices are not lazy. They work in a political and administrative environment however that is clientelistic and slow-moving.

Taxi drivers leave you stranded not because they are lazy, but because there is no money in the fare.

I've been treated badly for asking for short trips even in first world countries, so it's hardly news.

The Greeks do indeed mostly have a siesta, but the idea that Australians work from dusk to dawn is an amusing one!

No, they are lazy, they admit it themselves, there is no shame, they are actually proud of it, it's just the way it is. I'm from Greek immigrant parents and see the difference between how hard everyone that left works in comparison to what's it's like back home.

For this reason I can't get over how well Tsitsipas has done coming from Greece and that attitude, I say well done to him and I'm behind him 100%

I think he would be even further developed if he had come to Australia, he wouldn't have slacked off as being an immigrant with hard work ethics already in place, he would of benefited with being able to hit and train with Nick, Thanasi and all the rest of the Aussie crew, I think it's a huge loss for Australia to have let him slip through their fingers when he was on offer.
 

TennisBro

Professional
Djokovic had offers to play for Great Britain, but he thanked them on their offers. Don't see that he missed anything. In fact, it made him better. He practiced in an empty swimming pool while USA and GB bombed his country. Now he can crush any player that had all sophisticated sports courts and equipment coming from the developed countries that bombed his country. What these countries have like half a billion of people and can't produce a player to beat one Djokovic? There is also a sense of national pride in this situations. You don't sell your faith for dinner and lose your soul. If Stefanos went and played for Australia he would always felt like a traitor in his heart. Now all Greece is proud of him, his motherland. From here to eternity.
I can't agree more with this. Not that I want to bash the western world but it sucks for it's so materialistic. Everything turns around money. Those fine young talented athletes who have little in sense of financial means cannot break through there.
 
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OhYes

Guest
riiiiiiight,
nothing says national pride more than avoiding paying taxes in said nation...
Guess you all missing important point talking about those taxes.
Government in Serbia is corrupt and bureaucracy has grown out of proportion. System is flawed and it shouldn't be nurtured by taxes of hard working people. It has to collapse.
Novak is smart enough to distribute money where he wants and in his own terms, mainly through his foundation. Don't forget he gave all his prize money from winning Rome Matsers to flooded areas in Serbia.
Novak isn't first nor last who has residence in tax free country, and it is more honest way than to do things like Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Luka Modric, late Pavarotti, Nicolas Cage, Dolce and Gabanna, Lauryn Hill, Wesley Snipes, Boris Becker, Pamela Anderson, Sophia Loren, Chuck Berry, Shakira, Lindsay Lohan, Judy Garland, Keith Richards, Martin Scorsese, Val Kilmer, Ingmar Bergman, Andre Agassi, Nina Simone, Osbourne family, Robert Downey Jr., Lionel Richie....to name few :p who weren't very keen on paying their taxes and were caught and fined.
 
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Azure

G.O.A.T.
Last year while watching The Daily Serve (preview show for Grand Slams we have here on one of our cable channels) Wally Masur who is head of performance at Tennis Australia admitted he "dropped the ball" regarding Tsitsipas.

He explained that the Tsitsipas family had expressed interest in moving from the economically crippled Greece for a better future for the whole family and having Stefanos train and play for Australia.

Wally went to Athens to see the 16 year old Tsitsipas to see if he was worth the investment for Tennis Australa, he felt that Tsitsipas was an ok 16 year old but didn't feel he possessed what it took to be a top player so Wally Masur said no to Tsitsipas and the rest is history.

Good old Tennis Australia, always on the money.


Their loss
 
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OhYes

Guest
Djokovic had offers to play for Great Britain, but he thanked them on their offers. Don't see that he missed anything. In fact, it made him better. He practiced in an empty swimming pool while USA and GB bombed his country. Now he can crush any player that had all sophisticated sports courts and equipment coming from the developed countries that bombed his country. What these countries have like half a billion of people and can't produce a player to beat one Djokovic? There is also a sense of national pride in this situations. You don't sell your faith for dinner and lose your soul. If Stefanos went and played for Australia he would always felt like a traitor in his heart. Now all Greece is proud of him, his motherland. From here to eternity.
There are countries that simply do that - they are buying intelectuals, engineers, great sport talents, they are acting as landlord who has the right to pick most beautiful fruits you have raised in your garden and not paying you a penny. Such is USA, GB, Australia, even Slovenia offered Djokovic citizenship. And I am always glad to see when they misshit.
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
Qustion is, will the certified fans become uncertified should the unthinkable happens? Or will there be more certifications?

I can wait though. In fact, I will be sleeping thorugh it.
Oh cut it out Zara. If he wins, good for him. If he loses to Rafa he will learn. I don't think I can watch it myself because I have an important meeting at work around the same time. I will watch it on tape.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Last year while watching The Daily Serve (preview show for Grand Slams we have here on one of our cable channels) Wally Masur who is head of performance at Tennis Australia admitted he "dropped the ball" regarding Tsitsipas.

He explained that the Tsitsipas family had expressed interest in moving from the economically crippled Greece for a better future for the whole family and having Stefanos train and play for Australia.

Wally went to Athens to see the 16 year old Tsitsipas to see if he was worth the investment for Tennis Australa, he felt that Tsitsipas was an ok 16 year old but didn't feel he possessed what it took to be a top player so Wally Masur said no to Tsitsipas and the rest is history.

Good old Tennis Australia, always on the money.
Stepano should move to USA and become citizen. then he could make up to $100 million dollars in endorsements over his career.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
How can people be lazy in one country and then leave for Germany or Australia and instantly turn into someone industrious?

You are just suffering from the prejudices of those living in the diaspora. Working from dusk to dawn in Australia leaves you little time for complex reflection.

You do know of course that Greeks in Greece find the children of Greeks living in the diaspora to be ill-mannered and badly-behaved spoilt brats for the most part?

No, they are lazy, they admit it themselves, there is no shame, they are actually proud of it, it's just the way it is. I'm from Greek immigrant parents and see the difference between how hard everyone that left works in comparison to what's it's like back home.

For this reason I can't get over how well Tsitsipas has done coming from Greece and that attitude, I say well done to him and I'm behind him 100%

I think he would be even further developed if he had come to Australia, he wouldn't have slacked off as being an immigrant with hard work ethics already in place, he would of benefited with being able to hit and train with Nick, Thanasi and all the rest of the Aussie crew, I think it's a huge loss for Australia to have let him slip through their fingers when he was on offer.
 
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If he had moved to Australia, he would have been practicing with Kyrgios, Tomic and Kokk.

He would have lost 1st round this year.
To be fair, Bernard and Nick faced quality players in round one and Thanasi was injured.

All three of those guys would of been fantastic hitting partners for Stefanos but it wasn't meant to be.
 
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