Sudacafan
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Yes. This is like predicting stocks moves. Past performance not necessarily dictates future performance.
If Nadal wins the final against Djokovic it will be a huge upset
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Sudacafan
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You must be rich, uh.
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The current betting odds which imply the match at 60/40 in favor of Nole seem correct to me
BeatlesFan
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It's true that Rafa has won 2/3 of the last matches they've played, but Nole's won 13 of the last 17 matches they've played.
Northern
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It's not Federer-Roddick, and the recent developments in Nadal's game are intriguing, but Djokovic is back to top form and for Nadal to beat the AO GOAT in my mind would be a huge upset. Not when looked in isolation either, but looking at the big picture as well, if Nadal can deny Djokovic at his pet slam, then his (Djokovic's) aspirations to eventually overtake Federer in the Slam count would suffer a big setback, whereas Nadal losing wouldn't be as dramatic for his aspirations. Three slams at this late hour is a big gap to lose any opportunities to bridge it.
moonballs
Hall of Fame
No mental block really? If there hadn’t memtal block, Nadal would be the current champion of Wimbledon.
Sport
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Nadal lost the WB SF because of his worse ace conversion, not by any mental lapsus. He only made 9 aces while Djokovic made 23.
On the other hand, Nadal has made more aces than Djokovic this tournament so far. He has improved his serve.
Nadal has made 39 aces and Dokovic 37 this Australian Open:
https://i.imgflip.com/2s2hnd.jpg
Remember that in 2011/12 Djokovic beat him 7 times in a row,then Nadal turned around to win 6 of the next 7 matches with 3 of those wins coming in majors. The difference is,back then that 7 win streak was taking up real estate in Nadal's head for sure. They just haven't played each other that much the last few years,I don't feel like it's going to be a factor.
Sentinel
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Northern
Hall of Fame
Is that a Djokovic fan? He shows as banned.
Northern
Hall of Fame
He lost it because of the roof, let's be serious.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Plus the old serve.
Without a roof and the neo-serve he should have an argument tomorrow. But then again, AO is Djokovic's favorite court, he has never lost any single final there.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
That 2012 epic took place due to incredible efforts from murygoat only...
Otherwise result would have been the same as 2011 meetings... djoker in easy 4 or even 3
Nostradamus
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Hugely UPSETTING cause RAFA will be 1 step closer to breaking the GOAT's record ???????
MichaelNadal
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Northern
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I think it's only a matter of time. If it's not Nadal it will be Djokovic. The natural approach is to let Djokovic win now and worry later (since he is 3 slams behind,) but I don't think that will matter much. I just can't see Shapo, Thiem, Zverev and Tsitsipas doing Fed's work any time soon (though Tsitsipas is very promising.)
Pfabgon
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A huge upset is No. 2 beating No. 1 ??? Someone who's won AU Open and finalist a few times. Won USO 2 times and runner-up as well.
yes, that sounds like a huge upset.
Actually he has won the USO 3 times
Day_Tripper
Rookie
That is true. I am not saying that Nadal can't win (that would be silly) just that there is no reason (based on the facts) to consider him to be the favourite. Djokovic has absolutely dominated Nadal over the last five years. Furthermore they are playing on Djokovic's favourite surface - a slam he has won 6 times. It would be a huge upset if Nadal were to beat Djokovic in the final. I can't understand why so many on this forum think that Nadal will win - a case of heart over head I guess.
Sentinel
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A nadal fan who got banned, came back as @Sunny Ali and seems got banned again. A huge proponent of the Double Career Slam theory. Will be back shortly, if he already isn't but sadly it will take time to figure out his new username.
Actually i don't think it will take time. Subtlety isn't ksbh's middle name.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?members/sunny-ali.744633/
Pheasant
Legend
This would be the biggest upset in the history of sports if Nadal beat Djokovic. Nadal has dropped a ton of sets leading up to this final. His serve keeps getting broken. Also, he has never beaten Djokovic in a slam match before. And lastly, this guy has never won a slam title.
We are talking about an inexperienced rookie going up against Djokovic. Is Rafa Nextgen? Who is this Rafa guy that is a massive underdog? Has he ever played on hard courts before? It sounds like it’s 30/1 odds against this Rafa guy for betting purposes. That would be huge.
There is this other Spaniard guy. I wish that he was in the final. His name is Nafa Radal. When he is on, he can beat anybody on any surface. He ended Federer’s record 65 match winning streak on grass. Nobody else beat Federer on grass over a 7 year span. He also ended Federer’s record 56 match winning streak on hard courts. Radal beat Federer in an AO and a Wimbledon final, and Djokovic in a USO final(twice). And Radal is serving like a maniac right now. Radal would only be a slight underdog. I think Radal would have a decent shot of winning. When Radal is in great form, he is extremely dangerous to everybody. It’s too bad he isn’t playing. That makes so much sense that Nadal is a huge underdog. If he won, that would be a HUGE upset. Wait for it..........HUGE upset.
We are talking about an inexperienced rookie going up against Djokovic. Is Rafa Nextgen? Who is this Rafa guy that is a massive underdog? Has he ever played on hard courts before? It sounds like it’s 30/1 odds against this Rafa guy for betting purposes. That would be huge.
There is this other Spaniard guy. I wish that he was in the final. His name is Nafa Radal. When he is on, he can beat anybody on any surface. He ended Federer’s record 65 match winning streak on grass. Nobody else beat Federer on grass over a 7 year span. He also ended Federer’s record 56 match winning streak on hard courts. Radal beat Federer in an AO and a Wimbledon final, and Djokovic in a USO final(twice). And Radal is serving like a maniac right now. Radal would only be a slight underdog. I think Radal would have a decent shot of winning. When Radal is in great form, he is extremely dangerous to everybody. It’s too bad he isn’t playing. That makes so much sense that Nadal is a huge underdog. If he won, that would be a HUGE upset. Wait for it..........HUGE upset.
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This match could go either way just like the Wimby semi final.
MichaelNadal
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If both end up in a hospital, one with a dislocated ankle and the other with a dislocated shoulder after a 6-hour battle, Fed Will win the FO this year.
If Nadal wins the AO, he doesn't need to win anything else for me
Don't think either of them is a favourite. Almost all of their games in slams are very close, and even if Djokovic wins those edgy thrillers with Nadal more often than he loses them, it doesn't mean it can't change at any point, considering the margins here are very small.
The impressive part for Djokovic is how he seems to stay up there mentally with Nadal who is a warrior in this aspect, even getting the better of him plenty of times.
The impressive part for Djokovic is how he seems to stay up there mentally with Nadal who is a warrior in this aspect, even getting the better of him plenty of times.
Dimitris
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I'm a Djokovic fan, but it's ridiculous to say he is the clear favourite. They have played so many unbelievable matches together and I think both of them want to chase Roger's 20 and feel it's their chance tomorrow. Can't wait for this one, may the best man win. Just looking forward to an epic match.
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if Pouille had something in common with Rafael, then you'd have a point.....
but the only thing they have in common is they were both born on planet earth
if won't be a surprise to see Rafael beat Djokovic in straight sets, because Rafael is the absolute opposite to Pouille.
Rafael beat Djokovic at 2010 and 2013 US Opens, both were in 4 sets and extremely lopsided 4th sets.
the AO is now faster than the USO, we are essentially playing at 2010/2013 US Open now, and Djokovic hasn't won the AO since it became faster.....
TheGhostOfAgassi
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Novak never lost a final in AO. He is the the massive favourite
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even when the AO suited Djokovic, he needed 6 hours to beat Rafael - and Rafael was up a break in the 5th set
Best of 5 usually sees Nadal win on any surface bar grass if Nadal is fresh. That said Nadal is shortening points which may be suicidal v the Wall
NatF
Bionic Poster
Escanor >> Meliodas
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Yep, when Nadal was at his worst ever, he was battling away, and met Djokovic several times, and was hammered.
Its a pity we never seen Djokovic reach Nadal in 2017 hardly. Wouldve been murders.
Eren
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Huge plot armour bruh.
Peak Meliodas >> anyone (except for the demon lord and Supreme Deity).
NatF
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Escanor is the one mate sorry to tell you that.
Northern
Hall of Fame
Liked your post for the wish factor, but I think it will be the other way around. Nadal hasn't been tested at all and he came back from a long injury layoff. If Djokovic moves him just enough I don't think he stands a chance, but I'd love to be proved wrong.if Pouille had something in common with Rafael, then you'd have a point.....
but the only thing they have in common is they were both born on planet earth
if won't be a surprise to see Rafael beat Djokovic in straight sets, because Rafael is the absolute opposite to Pouille.
Rafael beat Djokovic at 2010 and 2013 US Opens, both were in 4 sets and extremely lopsided 4th sets.
the AO is now faster than the USO, we are essentially playing at 2010/2013 US Open now, and Djokovic hasn't won the AO since it became faster.....
Northern
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His avatar means something lewd. Of that I'm almost certain.
Mustard
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Nadal had to beat Federer in the 2012 Australian Open semis, who was unbeaten in official matches since the 2011 US Open loss to Djokovic.
moonballs
Hall of Fame
We will see. The best returner against improved serve. Something has got to give.
moonballs
Hall of Fame
There was eight months he took off from the tour. Frankly the 7:0 streak tells more about their match up than the eventual ending of it.
Adv. Edberg
Legend
He won’t win. Djokovic should win this in relatively easy 3 sets.
Federev
Legend
No. Not a huge upset. No2 beats No1 is not an upset.
Especially when they are both big 3 and off clay.
I don't think it would be a huge upset, but I don't expect it to happen, despite hoping that it will. Speaking in obvious terms, it boils down to who executes better. If Nadal can keep serving well, he stands a chance. If not, or if Djokovic's return game ends up being better, then it's lights out. Either way, it's cool because they are both playing well at the moment and seem to be "in form". Ultimately, I find it hard to see Djokovic losing this one. But then, I felt the same way when Fed and Rafa played in 2017 - couldn't see how Rafa would lose, and then he did! Not to say that is the same thing at all, but just goes to show that pre-match predictions aren't worth much.
CHillTennis
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One thing to look for in tomorrow's match is whether Djokovic can hurt Nadal on the second serve.
In many of their previous encounters, Djokovic would feast on Nadal's service games.
Nadal was always in trouble anytime he missed the first serve because Djokovic was such an adept returner and could run him ragged for hours on end.
This strategy worked well for Djokovic and he was able to dominate Nadal on every surface but clay.
Now that Nadal has improved his second serve and is keeping the rallies shorter during his matches, it's going to change up things up quite radically for Novak Djokovic, who is going to have to adjust to the new Nadal.
Djokovic is playing an opponent who has improved the former weak-points of his game.
Nadal is also playing some of the best tennis of his life right now.
All things considered, I think it's going to be a tough road for Djokovic on Sunday.
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TimeToPlaySets
Legend
Yes, it's quite simple.
Novak has dominated Nadal in the last 5 years.
Now if you think that trend will reverse, you have to have a clear reason.
Novak has dominated Nadal in the last 5 years.
Now if you think that trend will reverse, you have to have a clear reason.
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Deleted member 763691
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the media would view a Rafael win as almost the opposite of an upset, because its common knowledge that Rafael has played better than Djokovic at this AO
Djokovic is only the betting favorite because the AO is his favorite slam, even if he hasn't won it for 2 years and may never win it again....
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