At 32, both Fedal achieved their 17th...
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Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
If not CYGS, then he will hit 17 for sure! I can't see any other case scenario tbh...its either he wins an exhausting Roland Garros and doesn't have enough time to recover for WC and loses there, but then resurfaces again to defend USO or he loses at RG, but goes all gun blazing at both WC and USO...or neither happens he gets easy draws at both RG (avoids playing Nadal in finals for some reason!) and WC and blitzes all four!...one of these three cases scenarios! I don't even consider a two slam option! Given the form Novak is in, its just ridiculous...
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Either 16 or 17, but I'll err on the conservative side. 16.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
That is honestly quite ridiculous, given that Novak projected CYGS as his goal...when was the last time, when you seen him projecting goals and failing to reach them? LOL okay Olympyc gold...but what else?
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
If I recall correctly, at the end of last year you predicted Nole would win Shanghai, Paris, and WTF. I predicted only 1 or 2 of those. Nole won only one.
It might seem ridiculous now, but no one sees a decrease in form coming. All it takes is a bad day. A CYGS will not happen this year. If it does, I will eat a sock.
[Everyone can quote me on this: @TripleATeam will eat a sock if Djokovic wins a CYGS in 2019.]
If I recall correctly, RG was his goal for years and he only got it in 2016. I can guarantee you that going into 2013 RG SF, Djokovic wasn't planning on losing. Nadal stopped him, and no matter how he seemed in the AO, Nadal is the favorite for RG. 65-35 Nadal.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
What i predicted was my OWN projection, not Djokovic's! I never heard from him personally or his team, that his goal is to win everything until the end of the year...it was just my wishful thinking based on several factors (including his own form!)...
...now speaking of 2019 and his chances for CYGS and comapring it with the past...he doesn't have the SAME Nadal, that was in 2013, Nadal NOW and back then are two different kind of Nadals and i truly believe on his good day he can take him out now! (especially now! Considering the weight of responsibility of losing another career slam opportunity is gone now and he can play more relaxed and freely and when he does that he is nearly unstoppable! There is no reason to fear Nadal at RG anymore, first he straight setted him at RG once, even though on his bad day, second he won RG once, which will bring more confidence and the last but not least, he pulled off too many victories over Nadal ever since RG 2013 now not to know how to perform against him, RG or outside of it!) Federer seem to be a non-factor now and i don't see him pulling off a victory over Novak at grand slam anymore, that ship looks like sailed to me! Who else is there to stop him? Him and Nadal shown at AO perfectly, that they are both (unlike Federer) are still capable of taking out next gen yet, so my question is who or what can stop Djokovic NOW?...
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
1. Sickness
2. Loss of form
3. Nadal
4. Weather conditions
5. Zverev learning how to play BO5.
6. Federer.
7. Bad draw
8. Injury
9. Accident
10. Sudden amnesia
11. Tries eating gluten again
12. Children sit on him and don't get up. He misses his match and ends up forfeiting.
13. Literally anything else.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Actually, Federer was the younger of the Big Three to achieve his 17th Slam. (Considering that if Nole reaches 17, he will be older than Fed was at the time he achieves it)
I think Fed peaked too fast.
raph6
Semi-Pro
Again and again... When will you guys learn ? It's not because a player shows a good form at the beginning of the year that he will win every tournament of the season. Remember Rafa in 2009, Roger in 2010, 2018, Novak in 2012, 2013, 2016 etc... His level will drop, it's obvious. IMO he will win one more this year.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
1.He will win what he projected to win even standing on nothing, but his pinkie toe if needed! Sickness won't stop him! not at grand slam at least! He will find solution!
2.Not going to happen until at least second half of 2020! You don't just reach your peak for a couple of months just to lose it in a couple more!...not seeing it being a factor at all! If anything his form from now on will only improve, not the other way around!
3.Like i said he played too many matches against him not to know how to deal with him RG or not...i am tired of repeating that...
4.Wasn't an issue last year at USO...at least not big enough for him to overcome it and win the title...
5.Zverev just lost in the 4th round to Raonic of all people, what the hell are you talknig about?! LOL
6.Like i said Federer isn't a factor anymore...at least not at grand slams! At best he can take Nole out at Cincinnati or Shanghai, but thats about it...
7.Doesn't really matter if he enters his "Ultron mode"...never really was an issue...i thought people would learn by now...but no...here we go again, singing the same old tune...LOL
8.Like i said he would find a way to win even standing on his pinkie toe if he wants CYGS...do not underestimate the power of motivation!
9.LOL i just can't...
10.WHAT??! LOL
11.And why on Earth would he? LOL
12.He has his wife for that...he isn't a babysitter, is he? And babysitting isn't much of a man's job anyway so...
13.like what?!
Please do everyone a favor and stop posting...your pessimism does Nolefam huge disservice!
Sport
G.O.A.T.
17/18 seems a more accurate number. Djokovic is playing like a God right now and we are in the Weak Next Gen Era.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Last time i checked EVERY TOURNAMENT isn't a requirement for CYGS, but it rather only includes 4 biggest tournaments of the season! Since when Has it changed?...And you have no evidence other than your own bias to back up your theory of Novak starting slowing down later into the season...there is literally ZERO evidence for that! What i have seen instead is one of the best performances of his career against his archrival in the final...that sure didn't look like any kind of signs of decline to me...
CYGS
Legend
And he stayed 17 for a very long time.Actually, Federer was the younger of the Big Three to achieve his 17th Slam. (Considering that if Nole reaches 17, he will be older than Fed was at the time he achieves it)
I think Fed peaked too fast.
raph6
Semi-Pro
The FO is in 4 months, WB in 5 and the US in 7, it's a lot of time for a level to drop. Also, he was beaten in Paris, London and Doha in the last 3 months so it cleary shows he is not unbeatable. Do you remember what happened after RG2016 ?
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Relatively young for current sport.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Paris, London and Doha aren't grand slams and he won everyone of those, winning more doesn't make any difference at this point, so the motivation is non-existent...and oh btw those are the all Bo3...in a BO5 format he has more time to back into the match in case something goes wrong...his 2016 AO match against Simon and his comeack from a 0-2 against Anderson at the WC 2015 are clear proofs of that! grand slams is the whole different beast...any more arguments left? LOL
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic will have 0 bad draws on hard courts. Look at the Weak Next Gen Era: Medvedev, Khachanov, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Shapovalov. All of them can beat Djokovic in Masters 1000 when he is at 50% of his level, sick or tired. But none of them stands a chance against him at the US or the AO. And we all saw how Djokovic toyed with Nadal at the AO.
At Wimbledon, maybe if he faces an in form Del Potro and Nadal in a row, he can lost. But I doubt it. The only Grand Slam where he can potentially have a bad draw is Roland Garros, if he faces Thiem and Nadal in a row.
raph6
Semi-Pro
That was not a problem of motivation, equaling Nadal's Masters 1000 records and Federer's Masters record are surely motivating enough for Novak. Also you could see he was happy winning the Abu Dabi exhibition so I don't think he was not motivated to win Doha.
In 2015 he also won WB, the USO, the OA and then was a beast until the FO. We all know what happened then. And no player in history has won 6 slams in a row, especially a 32 yo player with other ATG playing at the same time.
You know your prediction will be wrong. I will bump this in a few month for sure, I hope you will still be there to talk about it.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
It tends to happen when you're 31-35 years old and you play against 10+ Slam winners who are in their primes.
Unlike now.
CYGS
Legend
Budge won 6 slams in a row.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
CYGS
Legend
Consistent with the observation that Fed collected most of his slam trophies until prime Djokodal emerged - he is just inferior to the other two.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Their careers as far as the rate they won their slams is so similar you would almost think it was God
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Deleted member 688153
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Saying it lots of times doesn't make it true
The thread topic is a fair point though. So I guess we'll see.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Wimbledon or UO + AO
He can do that. After that the road will get tougher I'd say. Slams won't come as easily.
He can do that. After that the road will get tougher I'd say. Slams won't come as easily.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
And Djokovic won 80% of his Slams after Federer's 30th birthday.
And all but one when Federer was 29,5 years old+
WEAK STAIN
CYGS
Legend
Prime Djokodal had each other. All prime Fed had was Nadal in his diaper.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
2007 = baby Nadal.
2015 = full peak Bulldall.
CYGS
Legend
2010-2013 Nadal = Peak Nadal
2005-2009 Nadal = Baby to pre-Prime Nadal
Spencer Gore
Legend
Why is Federer turning 30 such a big deal? Laver won the open era Grand Slam after his 30th birthday. It's winning against baby ATGs that's the easy part. And Federer even struggled at that.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
30 is not per se, it's old when you have to go through ATGs who are 25 years old.
Djokovic doesn't have that, the current 25-year olds suck.
It could happen in 2-3 years depending on Zverev figuring out how to play in the Slams or not.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
"2008/2009 pre-prime Nadal"
lmao
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
I believe Novak Djokovic shall win one more slam this year, to get him to 16 by the end of the year in which he turns 32.
Btw, Federer won his 17th slam at age 30 (Wimbledon 2012).
Btw, Federer won his 17th slam at age 30 (Wimbledon 2012).
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
True.
Its between Novak and Rafa now.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
If Nadal was not young in 2004-09, Federer was not old in 2011-16.
Djokovic is coetaneous with Nadal and Murray.
Federer is coetaneous with Roddick and Hewitt.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
And Murray.
JacksonColt
Rookie
Seriously? Jajaja.
Federer beat an all time great in only 8 of his 20 grand slams. Do you see that number? 8, and most of those were well before they became all time greats. Connors and Lendl beat an all time great in 7 of their 8 grand slams. Djokovic did it in 11 of his 15 and Nadal did it in 12 of his 17? Weak stain you say. Yes the weak stain is Federer.
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Federer was actually a month away from his 31st birthday when he won his 17th Slam.
It's definitely possible for Djokovic. Needs to win two of the next four Slams, I can definitely see that happening.
It's definitely possible for Djokovic. Needs to win two of the next four Slams, I can definitely see that happening.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Why include 2004 Nadal? He didn't do crap that year.
2005-2008 was very much prime Nadal on clay.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic 12 of 15Seriously? Jajaja.
Nadal 10 of 17
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Except Djokovic beat a 34-year old Federer in a Slam when he was at his peak. You think peak Federer wouldn't handle a 34-year old Djokovic LMAO?Seriously? Jajaja.
Huge age advantage for Djokovic here.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
And Wawrinka.
JacksonColt
Rookie
I counted aussie 2013, aussie 2015, french 2016 and us open 2018 as grand slams that Djokovic didn't face an all time great. You may be missing a few on Nadal.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Wawrinka was ''made'' by Djokovic, unlike Murray.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Yep. Murray did a lot of effort to improve his clay game. He was training in Spain to improve his clay skills and did reach the Roland Garros final. He also beat Nadal in Madrid 2015.
But Murray does not count as an all-time great on clay.
JacksonColt
Rookie
Federistas are such whining babies. Did you forget that Federer beat aging Agassi in the us open back in 2004 and 2005 when he was 11 years younger than him? That's a lot more than 6 years like between Djokovic and Federer, and almost double that. Federer was in his early 20's and Djokovic was in his late 20's, and I smell a double standard.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
With Murray:
Djokovic 12 of 15 (80%)
Nadal 10 of 17 (58.8)
Federer 8 of 20 (40)
Without Murray:
Nadal 10 of 17 (58.8)
Djokovic 7 of 15 (46.7)
Federer 5 of 20 (25)
JacksonColt
Rookie
I'm not talking about beating an all time great in a final. I mean beat them at any point in the tournament. I think that's where our wires are crossed and Murray does not count in this.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
What difference does it make - 2005 Federer or 2015 Djokovic? They were both at their peaks. Djokovic at the age of 28 player a lot betted than at the age of 25.
Both peak Federer/Djokovic beat an ATG in his mid 30s. I see no difference here when it comes to level of play. Besides, Agassi was a late bloomer.
Djokovic built his legacy on beating an old Federer.
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