Phantom Pro 100P setup

adso1973 · Feb 7, 2019

Hi all,
I've been playing with PCG 100 for some time and wanted to switch to the new phantom pro 100P, in between frames I've played some time with a leaded up Ezone 98 (matching the PCG weight and balance). So right now, I am enjoying the PP100P feel although is not as solid and comfortable as the PCG however I get more easy points with the Ezone (more power and spin).

As I really like the princes as compared to the ezone is more comfortable, has better feel, also paintjob is better, which string/ tension would you suggest?

I currently have the PP100P with tour bite/ sensation @50, the Ezone with Hiper G @50.

Thanks

Dartagnan64 · Feb 7, 2019

adso1973 said:
Hi all,
I've been playing with PCG 100 for some time and wanted to switch to the new phantom pro 100P, in between frames I've played some time with a leaded up Ezone 98 (matching the PCG weight and balance). So right now, I am enjoying the PP100P feel although is not as solid and comfortable as the PCG however I get more easy points with the Ezone (more power and spin).

As I really like the princes as compared to the ezone is more comfortable, has better feel, also paintjob is better, which string/ tension would you suggest?

I currently have the PP100P with tour bite/ sensation @50, the Ezone with Hiper G @50.

Thanks

If you want more power and spin with the Phantom 100P, add some lead at 12 O'clock (4gms) and go to Hyper-G at 45 lbs.

marsh · Feb 7, 2019

I've been experimenting with mine. Currently, I have YPTP in 17 at 48 in mine, but I have also added about 9 grams distributes between 12, 3 and 9 and about 9 grams in the butt cap. Easing my way up to my 93P specs. It does play much, much better.

adso1973 · Feb 9, 2019

Hi all, I've tried adding 4 grams total at 3 & 9, still I get more deep and plow with the Yonex.
I am a little frustrated as I prefer the feel and comfort of the prince but I play better with the Yonex...

Maybe should go for the textreme tours 100p or the phantom with ports...

tata · Feb 9, 2019

For plow you should target 10 and 2 or even 12, although 12 becomes a pain when getting restrung. It takes more weight at 3 and 9 to get the same effect with less weight at the other spots. I tried weight at 3 and 9 and much prefer the upper hoop locations. 3 grams total at 10 and 2 gave me a noticeable boost in power and plow.

CosmosMpower · Feb 9, 2019

Phantoms are much softer flex, Ezone is stiffer with more pop and spin.

Dartagnan64 · Feb 10, 2019

adso1973 said:
Hi all, I've tried adding 4 grams total at 3 & 9, still I get more deep and plow with the Yonex.
I am a little frustrated as I prefer the feel and comfort of the prince but I play better with the Yonex...
Maybe should go for the textreme tours 100p or the phantom with ports...

Big surprise. Most players these days come from the light stiff world where they honed their strokes on these types of frames and take time to adjust to the heavier softer frames that are actually easier on their arm.

Do you make money at tennis? If not then the racket you play better with is irrelevant if its going to cause pain. Feel and comfort is the primary concern to a rec player and TBH it's a big concern to pros as well. You don't find very many pros at all playing light stiff sticks. Overwhelming majority are in the 12-14 oz range with RA's in the 55-65 range. The thing about pros is they have plenty of power from their technique. They need control and feel.

Rec players want pro power and they prefer to get it from the racket rather than lessons since that's cheaper and easier. But it comes at a price.

Anyway, enough ranting. Put lead in the upper hoop of your phantom, not at 3 and 9. And lower your string tensions. Until you've done that there is no sense continuing your racket hunt. The Phantom with ports and Textreme Tours also need lower tensions and a little weight at the end of the hoop.

marsh · Feb 11, 2019

I have to report that after not being very happy with the stock play of this racquet it is now playing amazingly.

Dartagnan64 · Feb 11, 2019

marsh said:
I have to report that after not being very happy with the stock play of this racquet it is now playing amazingly.

I'm pleased the new Pro 100 18x20 has specs a little closer to the 93P. I think all the 100's should have been a little more head light with a bit more swing weight.

jonestim · Feb 11, 2019

Dartagnan64 said:
I'm pleased the new Pro 100 18x20 has specs a little closer to the 93P. I think all the 100's should have been a little more head light with a bit more swing weight.

I do wish the new 18x20 came with a leather grip at that weight. 340g after leather, OG and damp is more appealing to me.

Dartagnan64 · Feb 11, 2019

jonestim said:
I do wish the new 18x20 came with a leather grip at that weight. 340g after leather, OG and damp is more appealing to me.

Nothing to stop you from putting a leather grip on yourself.. Might be just perfect with 4g lead at 10 and 2 and a leather grip.

Shangri La · Jan 13, 2020

adso1973 said:
Hi all,
I've been playing with PCG 100 for some time and wanted to switch to the new phantom pro 100P, in between frames I've played some time with a leaded up Ezone 98 (matching the PCG weight and balance). So right now, I am enjoying the PP100P feel although is not as solid and comfortable as the PCG however I get more easy points with the Ezone (more power and spin).

As I really like the princes as compared to the ezone is more comfortable, has better feel, also paintjob is better, which string/ tension would you suggest?

I currently have the PP100P with tour bite/ sensation @50, the Ezone with Hiper G @50.

Thanks

How would you compare the power level and maneuverability of the PCG 100 and PP 100P?

flanker2000fr · Jan 13, 2020

adso1973 said:
Hi all,
I've been playing with PCG 100 for some time and wanted to switch to the new phantom pro 100P, in between frames I've played some time with a leaded up Ezone 98 (matching the PCG weight and balance). So right now, I am enjoying the PP100P feel although is not as solid and comfortable as the PCG however I get more easy points with the Ezone (more power and spin).

As I really like the princes as compared to the ezone is more comfortable, has better feel, also paintjob is better, which string/ tension would you suggest?

I currently have the PP100P with tour bite/ sensation @50, the Ezone with Hiper G @50.

Thanks

I would start by dropping the tension to perhaps 48lbs, adding 2g at 12, and maybe 2g in the butt cap if you want to maintain the balance. If this isn't enough, then drop the tension to 46lbs.

flanker2000fr · Jan 13, 2020

Shangri La said:
How would you compare the power level and maneuverability of the PCG 100 and PP 100P?

Was wondering that too, as I have played a few months with the PP100P, and I was considering the PCG100. Well, I guess I will find out, as I am getting a PCG 100 delivered this Thursday, hopefully just in time for my team training. What I am hoping for is something similar to the PP100P, with more power on serve and a bit more stability outside the sweet spot.

Shangri La · Jan 13, 2020

flanker2000fr said:
Was wondering that too, as I have played a few months with the PP100P, and I was considering the PCG100. Well, I guess I will find out, as I am getting a PCG 100 delivered this Thursday, hopefully just in time for my team training. What I am hoping for is something similar to the PP100P, with more power on serve and a bit more stability outside the sweet spot.

I'm a big fan of the POG 100. Too bad it was short-lived and I wish it was a bit more maneuverable and powerful. Looking at current Prince lineup, the PP100P seems to be the closest thing. Interested in your thoughts on the comparison.

tata · Jan 13, 2020

Shangri La said:
I'm a big fan of the POG 100. Too bad it was short-lived and I wish it was a bit more maneuverable and powerful. Looking at current Prince lineup, the PP100P seems to be the closest thing. Interested in your thoughts on the comparison.

Those were my 2 main gripes on the pcg100. I would say the phantom 100p addresses those things but doesn't have the same bite due to dense main spacing on the 100p.

Shangri La · Jan 13, 2020

tata said:
Those were my 2 main gripes on the pcg100. I would say the phantom 100p addresses those things but doesn't have the same bite due to dense main spacing on the 100p.

That's great to hear! How would you compare the ball feel? Does the 100P have the classic feel of the POG100? Can't wait to have a demo.

tata · Jan 13, 2020

I would say the feel is there. But again the wider main spacing feels like the ball sinks in and stays on the strings a fraction longer on the pcg100. Be sure not to string too high or it feels dead and unresponsive on the 100p. Multi in below mid tension is what I go with and it works for me. Power is fairly similar but it is easier to accelerate which gives the impression of easier power?

Shangri La · Jan 14, 2020

tata said:
I would say the feel is there. But again the wider main spacing feels like the ball sinks in and stays on the strings a fraction longer on the pcg100. Be sure not to string too high or it feels dead and unresponsive on the 100p. Multi in below mid tension is what I go with and it works for me. Power is fairly similar but it is easier to accelerate which gives the impression of easier power?

That is helpful info. Interesting that 100P has higher listed SW yet still swings fater. I really have high hopes for the racquet. As for dwelling/pocketing effect, stringing mains higher than you normally do relative to the crosses may solve the issue.

flanker2000fr · Jan 17, 2020

Shangri La said:
I'm a big fan of the POG 100. Too bad it was short-lived and I wish it was a bit more maneuverable and powerful. Looking at current Prince lineup, the PP100P seems to be the closest thing. Interested in your thoughts on the comparison.

I hit 2.5 hours between Thursday and Friday with the PCG100, strung with Hyper G 16 at 48/50 (same set up I use on the PP100P). Honestly, there isn't one area where I feel the PP100P is superior to the PCG100, and the PP100P is a good frame to start with.

Main points, for me at least:

- I find the PCG100 easier to accelerate on serve. For some reason, I've struggled to achieve my normal racquet head speed on serve with the PP100P. It might be a combination of the very polarised balance, and very round / wide head which I find unwieldy on the PP100P. Some might say this is down to the swing weight being lower on the PCG100, but I am not sure I will agree, as I serve really well with the 93P, which has a similar SW as the PP100P

- I did not find any harshness outside the sweet spot, like I sometimes feel with the PP100P

- The PCG100 doesn't spiral as much in my hand as the PP100P on off center hits. I attribute this to the head shape, which is slightly narrower on the PCG100

- As mentioned earlier on serve, I find the PCG more manoeuvrable in general play. Again, this is probably due to the head shape

- Power level is quite similar on both frames, they both pack a pretty decent punch for control oriented frames

- But the main difference is in feel. The PCG is unbelievably silky at contact, more than anything I have ever played with

I was really, really impressed with this frame.

Shangri La · Jan 17, 2020

flanker2000fr said:
I hit 2.5 hours between Thursday and Friday with the PCG100, strung with Hyper G 16 at 48/50 (same set up I use on the PP100P). Honestly, there isn't one area where I feel the PP100P is superior to the PCG100, and the PP100P is a good frame to start with.

Main points, for me at least:

- I find the PCG100 easier to accelerate on serve. For some reason, I've struggled to achieve my normal racquet head speed on serve with the PP100P. It might be a combination of the very polarised balance, and very round / wide head which I find unwieldy on the PP100P. Some might say this is down to the swing weight being lower on the PCG100, but I am not sure I will agree, as I serve really well with the 93P, which has a similar SW as the PP100P

- I did not find any harshness outside the sweet spot, like I sometimes feel with the PP100P

- The PCG100 doesn't spiral as much in my hand as the PP100P on off center hits. I attribute this to the head shape, which is slightly narrower on the PCG100

- As mentioned earlier on serve, I find the PCG more manoeuvrable in general play. Again, this is probably due to the head shape

- Power level is quite similar on both frames, they both pack a pretty decent punch for control oriented frames

- But the main difference is in feel. The PCG is unbelievably silky at contact, more than anything I have ever played with

I was really, really impressed with this frame.

That is quite an endorsement of the PCG! I've ordered a demo of the P100P along with a few other new Phantoms. I'm going to string up my PCG100 and have a comparison. It's been a long time since I last hit. It was my top 5 all-time best frames in terms of feel, though I dont have the string that worked great in it. I was thinking about settling on either the PCG or the 100P until I saw the talk of the Phantom Graphite 100! It has the same specs as the PCG except for the beam width. This is too tempting.

flanker2000fr · Jan 17, 2020

Shangri La said:
That is quite an endorsement of the PCG! I've ordered a demo of the P100P along with a few other new Phantoms. I'm going to string up my PCG100 and have a comparison. It's been a long time since I last hit. It was my top 5 all-time best frames in terms of feel, though I dont have the string that worked great in it. I was thinking about settling on either the PCG or the 100P until I saw the talk of the Phantom Graphite 100! It has the same specs as the PCG except for the beam width. This is too tempting.

My only concern is that they keep the very round head of the 100P. As you have read above, I find it too wide, and this detracts from manoeuvrability. This shape is really good in the 93P, as it widens the sweet spot and makes it play like a 95 sq. in. But it is not required in a 100 sq. in. frame, which is forgiving enough to start with. The trade off between that extra bit of tolerance and the reduced manoeuvrability is not positive in my view.

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