750$ for a serve clinic?

Rubens · Mar 30, 2019

The folks from Online Tennis Instruction are giving one-day serve clinics (actual duration 5 hours, in-person, not online) for 750$ per student, maximum of 4 students per clinic.

Anyone here been to one of those clinics? Maybe if you throw in two new racquets of of my choice I might consider it, but this price tag is exaggerated IMO. How much can you improve your serve in such a short time? 5 hours divided by 4 students gives you roughly 1 1/4 hours for yourself. Maybe if they hire Sampras to give the clinic. With the two racquets. Maybe.

Dondon · Mar 30, 2019

Great for beginners wanting a fast serve of tennis
Might save em a few years of waiters tray

Rubens · Mar 30, 2019

I'm wondering who would actually benefit from such clinics. IMO, the serve is one of the hardest shots to improve, because there is only so much you can change in one lesson. In fact, I think the best way to improve any stroke with lessons would be to have just 15-20 minutes of instruction per lesson dedicated to that stroke, then you spend the next week practicing the changes, then come back for the next lesson the week after to build on the changes you managed to make during the week. But maybe some people did improve dramatically in a one-day clinic.

Topspin Shot · Mar 30, 2019

I can't know for sure without seeing the clinic, but I'd bet $750 that it's a rip-off.

Kevo · Mar 30, 2019

I got to say that's pretty bold. I would certainly not recommend spending that much on a single day's instruction on serve. It would be much better, if you're that committed to learning it, to find a good coach and set up 7 private lessons. That would give you a chance to work on one or two aspects of the serve, go away and practice, and come back again to repeat the process. I would be surprised if most people could hold on to all aspects of the serve after a single day's instruction.

NuBas · Mar 30, 2019

How can you remember all they taught and reproduce that for yourself after the session?

Maybe if you have the money and really trust the instructors to do a good job but personally that's so expensive.

Mountain Ghost · Mar 30, 2019

There are a LOT of really good sources of information (and demonstrations) out there that are certainly free ... which makes sincere observers feel VERY knowledgeable about the general "engineering" of tennis. But the size ... or the accuracy ... of one's personal mental "library" can't hold a candle to the blazing value of a really good coach seeing and telling you EXACTLY what YOU should be putting YOUR attention on. Every player will have a different "checklist" ... and each person's must be COSTOMIZED. Once identified ... that "Vision" (from a qualified "Visioneer" .. as in a PAID PRO) can be visualized over and over and over again in the mind ... BETWEEN coaching and hitting sessions. I would tell my students to write it down and read in at night before they slept ... and in the morning when they woke up ... and whenever tennis came to mind ... ... ... One BIG NOTE: If your "checklist" is the ENTIRE LIBRARY ... it's just way TOO much distracting information. Sorry guys ... it takes a truly practiced professional tennis instructor ... ONE on ONE ... to "whittle" it down ... ... ... Oh ... and by the way ... my European and Asian students would always do their "write-it -down-and-read-it" itemized stroke correction checklist assigment ... but many American students often would NOT ... thinking that having the generalized information somewhere in their mental "hard drive" ... was ALREADY enough ~ MG

mcs1970 · Mar 30, 2019

Dondon said:
Great for beginners wanting a fast serve of tennis
Might save em a few years of waiters tray

IMO spending that much money is better for high level juniors and players who have a pretty good serve but are looking for some very specific professional help to get that slight increase in performance that separates them from their peers.

For beginners and lower level players, there is no substitute for months and maybe years of practice. Spending $1000 for a single day's instruction is not magically going to help much.

Rubens · Mar 30, 2019

So, nobody here spent $$$$$$$ on a clinic?

Rubens · Mar 30, 2019

...or aren't you the kind that tells?

dominikk1985 · Mar 30, 2019

Dondon said:
Great for beginners wanting a fast serve of tennis
Might save em a few years of waiters tray

I'm sure the clinic is good but I don't see that much sticking long term from a one day clinic. Two weeks later you will probably fall back to your old serve.

acintya · Mar 30, 2019

there is no way this could be worth so much.

Moveforwardalways · Mar 30, 2019

That’s $150 per hour. May seem outrageous to some, but not if you live in NYC or London. But it is still a good bit more expensive than a typical 1-on-1 lesson with your club pro in most of America.

a12345 · Mar 30, 2019

$150 per hour is steep but if there are other people helping out, i.e its not just 1 coach then they need to get paid as well so it depends.

a12345 · Mar 30, 2019

Actually if its 4 students in a class and its not even a 1-2-1 session, then it is excessive.

Curious · Mar 30, 2019

Better watch this video before spending money on their clinic!!

Raul_SJ · Mar 30, 2019

Rubens said:
The folks from Online Tennis Instruction are giving one-day serve clinics (actual duration 5 hours, in-person, not online) for 750$ per student, maximum of 4 students per clinic.

Anyone here been to one of those clinics? Maybe if you throw in two new racquets of of my choice I might consider it, but this price tag is exaggerated IMO. How much can you improve your serve in such a short time? 5 hours divided by 4 students gives you roughly 1 1/4 hours for yourself. Maybe if they hire Sampras to give the clinic. With the two racquets. Maybe.

750 sounds steep. I like the Essential Tennis VIP private videos with Ian and Kevin...no idea what they cost.

Raul_SJ · Mar 30, 2019

Moveforwardalways said:
That’s $150 per hour. May seem outrageous to some, but not if you live in NYC or London. But it is still a good bit more expensive than a typical 1-on-1 lesson with your club pro in most of America.

150 x 5 with a good coach could well be justified over the course of a month.
Not likely to learn that much in a single 5 hour session. Information overload.

I could see the single day session approach possibly working after you are familiar and already comfortable with a particular coach, but not right off the bat.

Rubens · Mar 30, 2019

Raul_SJ said:
150 x 5 with a good coach could well be justified over the course of a month.
Not likely to learn that much in a single 5 hour session. Information overload.

Yes for one month with a very good coach. Or with Sampras, so we can go hang out at the local pub after each lesson to enjoy a few beers and trash-talk Agassi.

r2473 · Mar 30, 2019

Topspin Shot said:
I can't know for sure without seeing the clinic, but I'd bet $750 that it's a rip-off.

@J011yroger said he only charges $700 for his serve clinic.

And you get a free can of balls

Hmgraphite1 · Mar 30, 2019

Does it include pizza lunch? I'm in

JohnYandell · Mar 30, 2019

I think group instruction no matter what the ratio is not ideal when you are trying to make fundamental technical change. I prefer to do one one on one with a high speed video camera and side by side high speed pro video models. You let guys hit a few unsupervised serves or whatever and when you turn around you see they are where they started.

jacob22 · Mar 30, 2019

Raul_SJ said:
750 sounds steep. I like the Essential Tennis VIP private videos with Ian and Kevin...no idea what they cost.

About 5K for two days of instruction

rogerroger917 · Mar 30, 2019

I have to lol at these guys paying 5k just to get better at 3.5. You can get to 4.0 just by running 1 mile 5 days a week if you are already a 3.5.

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Rubens · Mar 30, 2019

5K?!

Seriously though, if no one goes to those clinics, why do they still ask such ridiculous fees??
A funny thing is that these courses/clinics are usually advertised with testimonials from people who apparently paid for them and were happy with the results. Who are these people?

S&V-not_dead_yet · Mar 30, 2019

Rubens said:
5K?!

Seriously though, if no one goes to those clinics, why do they still ask such ridiculous fees??
A funny thing is that these courses/clinics are usually advertised with testimonials from people who apparently paid for them and were happy with the results. Who are these people?

People with a lot of disposable income?

FRV · Mar 30, 2019

Rubens said:
A funny thing is that these courses/clinics are usually advertised with testimonials from people who apparently paid for them and were happy with the results. Who are these people?

My gut instincts tell me those are usually people just trying to be nice. Not saying clinics aren't worth it (when priced reasonably) though. I would think you should take it for something you have already spent many hours on, and just use the clinic to work out the kinks.

S&V-not_dead_yet said:
People with a lot of disposable income?

That too

FRV · Mar 30, 2019

rogerroger917 said:
I have to lol at these guys paying 5k just to get better at 3.5. You can get to 4.0 just by running 1 mile 5 days a week if you are already a 3.5.

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It's really hard getting from 3.5 to 4.0 for a lot of people, including myself. I'm more of a 3.0 now, I would think, but in high school I was probably a 3.5. I was 140 lbs and incredibly fit. My issues stemmed from not having tennis lessons (I'm guessing) and a lack of experience handling shots hit with a lot of pace and spin.

I would agree though that 5k is a little too much.

Edit: In hindsight, perhaps this post was too finicky. Also, 5k is way too much for a 2-day clinic. Maybe 5k a year on lessons would be better (I know one would probably spend more, just saying what I would spend).

Rubens · Mar 30, 2019

This is a video of the Essential Tennis (ET) 2-day clinic that occured at the Indian Wells tournament.

The fee for that clinic was $1997 per person.
If the students in the video are real, then I tip my hat to the ET team for their out-of-this-world marketing skills.

Tennis_Hands · Mar 31, 2019

5 hours of serves for beginners in one day?

Ouch!

moonballs · Mar 31, 2019

Moveforwardalways said:
That’s $150 per hour. May seem outrageous to some, but not if you live in NYC or London. But it is still a good bit more expensive than a typical 1-on-1 lesson with your club pro in most of America.

That's outrageous for NYC price if you consider this is a group lesson. I am paying my kids $135 per hour weekly lessons indoor which includes the high court fees during winter time. I am in westchester which is cheaper than Manhattan but should be similar to other boroughs in the city. Also this is five hour straight, and nobody can maintain mental focus and physical peak over that long a period. I'd say it is a no brainer to take five one-hour lessons from the best pro in established local clubs.

Dan Huben · Mar 31, 2019

I took the class with EAN. My wife and I registered for the same class and we got a discount. The clinic teaches some good fundamentals and is more than the local pro teaching serves out of a basket. My wife is a 3.0, I'm a 3.0 to 3.5. There was another person that took it about a 4.5 level.

I'm a big fan of Eans movement videos so I really wanted to take this class. I got some things out of it. I cant say I would spend the money again but I don't regret it. Again, most pros teach the serve by grabbing balls out of a basket and letting me bash it until one goes in. Ean had progression that made sense. It's not a one day cure.

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sureshs · Mar 31, 2019

Does it include lunch?

mcs1970 · Mar 31, 2019

sureshs said:
Does it include lunch?

FAQs ABOUT SERVE CLINICS WITH NADIM NASER
What will the Clinic look like?

Work on getting your serve to the next level.
Hands-on, in-depth technical analysis of your serve with state-of-the art equipment.
Instant on-court video feedback.
Use of OTI progressive system to identify and fix your critical problem areas.
Personalized voice over serve analysis sent to you via email.

How much will the clinic cost?
The price for the one-day serve clinic is $750.
What's the schedule?

The clinic consists of about 4 hours of working on your serve and about 1 hour of video reviews of your own serve as well as serves of the best players in the world.
We will provide some snacks and drinks for the breaks during which we do video reviews.

https://go.onlinetennisinstruction.com/serve-clinics-nadim-denver/

mcs1970 · Mar 31, 2019

So basically it's 4 hours of actual court time with a group of 3 other students.

Wonder who forks up prices that steep for a 4 hour group lesson where you might be getting 15 mins of individual attention per hour.

Rubens · Mar 31, 2019

I'll even sweeten the deal for you sureshs. I'll pay you 100$, + your lunch (max. 10$), if you go to one of those clinics, record the whole thing (I have to see both the coach and you for the whole 5-hours duration of the video, in HD picture and sound), and forward me all the subsequent emails between the coach and you. I pay you after you send me the video, if I'm happy with it.Think about it. Think about the lunch.

Hmgraphite1 · Mar 31, 2019

Rubens said:
I'll even sweeten the deal for you sureshs. I'll pay you 100$, + your lunch (max. 10$), if you go to one of those clinics, record the whole thing (I have to see both the coach and you for the whole 5-hours duration of the video, in HD picture and sound), and forward me all the subsequent emails between the coach and you. I pay you after you send me the video, if I'm happy with it.Think about it. Think about the lunch.

Covert operations taking form

sureshs · Mar 31, 2019

For 750 bucks, you can take a few individual serve lessons as part of a resort package of that cost.

If it included a farm2fork lunch with wine, it may be worth it.

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Topspin Shot · Mar 31, 2019

mcs1970 said:
FAQs ABOUT SERVE CLINICS WITH NADIM NASER
What will the Clinic look like?

Work on getting your serve to the next level.

Hands-on, in-depth technical analysis of your serve with state-of-the art equipment.

Instant on-court video feedback.

Use of OTI progressive system to identify and fix your critical problem areas.

Personalized voice over serve analysis sent to you via email.

How much will the clinic cost?
The price for the one-day serve clinic is $750.
What's the schedule?

The clinic consists of about 4 hours of working on your serve and about 1 hour of video reviews of your own serve as well as serves of the best players in the world.

We will provide some snacks and drinks for the breaks during which we do video reviews.

https://go.onlinetennisinstruction.com/serve-clinics-nadim-denver/

Hmm I wish we could find the people who went to this clinic who aren't providing testimonials on the website.

zalive · Mar 31, 2019

mcs1970 said:
So basically it's 4 hours of actual court time with a group of 3 other students.

Wonder who forks up prices that steep for a 4 hour group lesson where you might be getting 15 mins of individual attention per hour.

Obviously if they get folks to pay, they're right.
Who knows. Perhaps some are appealed for the group lesson format, as they don't face the coach alone lol.

This is a ridiculous price...how much would you pay in the US for 4-5 hrs of individual service lesson with a good coach (not necessarily a 'name', just a coach who knows his sh...er, stuff)?

Rubens · Mar 31, 2019

TimeToPlaySets said:
Cognitive dissonance

Absolutely. If you paid $$$$$$ for something, you wouldn't want to admit that you got ripped off.

Deleted member 120290 · Mar 31, 2019

For $750, I can get 25 hours of serve instructions from an authentic Craigslist pro.

mcs1970 · Mar 31, 2019

Topspin Shot said:
Hmm I wish we could find the people who went to this clinic who aren't providing testimonials on the website.

I like how they put the disclaimer below each that individual results may vary.

Rubens · Mar 31, 2019

Actually, $750 for 5 hours one-on-one instruction is NOT exaggerated.

However, as I said earlier, if the 5 hours are dedicated to mastering one single stroke, they would have to be cut into short segments - 20 mins max. - given weekly, with time for the student to practice/implement the changes between lessons and build on those changes in the following lesson. So if one is willing to pay, say, $150 for one hour, then $750 would pay for 15 weekly mini-lessons of 20 mins each. Not realistic, of course. That's why most people take lessons to work on more than one stroke.

J011yroger · Mar 31, 2019

r2473 said:
@J011yroger said he only charges $700 for his serve clinic.

And you get a free can of balls

Jolly serve clinic 2 hours, 4 players max per court, $65/person, beer and barbeque complimentary.

J

Rubens · Mar 31, 2019

J011yroger said:
Jolly serve clinic 2 hours, 4 players max per court, $65/person, beer and barbeque complimentary.

J

Make it serve and forehand, and I'm in.

r2473 · Mar 31, 2019

J011yroger said:
Jolly serve clinic 2 hours, 4 players max per court, $65/person, beer and barbeque complimentary.

J

If that’s all you charge, you must suck

Make it $1,000 and I’ll do it

J011yroger · Mar 31, 2019

Rubens said:
Make it serve and forehand, and I'm in.

Serve Saturday, Forehand Sunday, $65 each day $120 if you sign up for both.

J

J011yroger · Mar 31, 2019

r2473 said:
If that’s all you charge, you must suck

Make it $1,000 and I’ll do it

I'm negotiable.

$1,000 is fine.

J

Hmgraphite1 · Mar 31, 2019

J011yroger said:
Jolly serve clinic 2 hours, 4 players max per court, $65/person, beer and barbeque complimentary.

J

Take it on the road, im in

750$ for a serve clinic?

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