brian anderson
Semi-Pro
looked old slow and out of breath
Damaging loss for Djokovic
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Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
I think it is equally stupid to overestimate OR underestimate players. I think fans are currently overestimating the level of Djokovic. I don't see him nearly as invincible now as he was in 2011 and during his 4 slam run.
TheAssassin
Legend
Obviously, he was playing better and winning more back then. We all know that. Nowadays though there aren't many players who can take advantage of his average days, which are still decent. So he is still the favorite at most events for now.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh, he cursed alright, he told the crowd to STFU...
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
haha, no he did not. He always looks a little out of breath, but he never looked slow or old.
Sephiroth
Hall of Fame
Bombing second serves isn't a pattern that's a YOLO play because he had literally no other play apart from going for broke. It's actually a compliment to Djokovic that someone has to play no ****s given tennis to win.
Those second serve bombs could've easily turned into DFs and we'd all be discussing how much of an incompetent mug Mad Lad is.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
This
Nobody cares or ever cared about the Masters record. The Big three are skipping them and Djokovic/Nadal never really got enthusiastic when surpassing the other. At some points I didn’t even know whether Nadal or Djokovic were holding the record at the moment. Masters are second tier tournaments and completely pale compared to slams.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Djokovic at slams is a completely different animal. The next gen players have already beaten the big three at masters before only to get destroyed by them at slams.
Milehigh5280
Professional
If that's a damaging loss then how damaging was the Wimbledon final for Fed?
Federer-25
New User
Very damaging.
Djokovic was just better
What lol? Nadal bagelled and breadsticked his greatest rival when masters 1000 record up for grabs...is 9-6 ahead in majors. What mental cracks are there outside australia? Lmao.
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Deleted member 762343
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He got destroyed 6 times in a row, even on clay. Djokovic was the better player but he was clearly in Nadal’s head.
When did Nadal in 2011 get himself into a winning position but then choke?
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Deleted member 762343
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You can underperform during an entire match because the opponent is too much in your head, you don’t have to choke from a winning position for that.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
I think both of you are looking at this wrong. It is not a mental thing, but a tactical one.
Rafa was not in Feds head early on (maybe for a match here and there), his game was a bad matchup for Fed. That changed when Fed improved his backhand wing. The matchup now favored Fed more.
For Rafa v Djoker, same can be said. Djoker has always been defensive, but Rafa and Fed could still run around and hit "one more" offensive shot. Nowadays, neither Fed nor Rafa are as quick as they used to be, so hitting "one more" shot is more difficult.
I see it as a matchup issue, not a mental thing.
jackdaw
Rookie
Like I have constantly said, Nadal only needs to worry about Djokovic, but Djok needs to worry about all the new guys.
Nadal beats Medvedev 6-3 6-0
Medvedev beats Djokovic.
NONE of the new guys can beat Nadal - NONE of them.
All the new guys can beat Djokovic.
Nadal just needs one of them to do him a favour and then he meets the same lad in the final and blows him away 6-1 6-0 6-0 .
I don't care that Djokovic has won 4/5 last slams, Nadal is the dominant figure in tennis right now, and will be for years and years - perhaps decades.
And he gets stronger and stronger and STRONGER.
The game is a total parody at this stage.
Nadal will finish on approx. 30 slams.
Nadal beats Medvedev 6-3 6-0
Medvedev beats Djokovic.
NONE of the new guys can beat Nadal - NONE of them.
All the new guys can beat Djokovic.
Nadal just needs one of them to do him a favour and then he meets the same lad in the final and blows him away 6-1 6-0 6-0 .
I don't care that Djokovic has won 4/5 last slams, Nadal is the dominant figure in tennis right now, and will be for years and years - perhaps decades.
And he gets stronger and stronger and STRONGER.
The game is a total parody at this stage.
Nadal will finish on approx. 30 slams.
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We're talking about 2011 Rafa, he was only 25. We can't say he was already unable to run around like crazy, given what he did a year later at 2012 AO, where he was 26.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
While you are correct for the most part... Rafa lost to Tsits... on clay... This year.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Ah, I did not see that, my bad.
So are you saying nadal is a better player and should have won those matches?
My own view is Nadal got complacent after 2010, spent too much time on his book, and got caught with his pants down by Djokovic and it took until 2012 for him to get back to where he needed to be.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
So Djokovic will fear NADAL because Djokovic lost to MEDVEDEV? And the 2-1 that Nadal has (from aeons earlier in a different era of tennis 2010-2013) is somehow a useful measuring stick despite the fact Novak dominates Rafa for half a decade on all surfaces except clay?
Is that what you're saying here?
Quite a bizarre line of reasoning. There is no logic there.
Well when was last time Djokovic beat Nadal on north American hardcourts then?
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
That would make things even more terrible than they currently are.What if Federer finishes with a better record on the season than Djokovic?
At age 38.
A sign of life’s futility.
Noleberic123
G.O.A.T.
Medvedev was incredible. I was pissed but that loss isn't that bad
RaulRamirez
Legend
Are they now worth 999 points?
Kidding...I get your point, though not sure if I agree. For The Big 3, at this stage of their careers, perhaps, it's true, and for the ATP Finals as well.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Lol at people acting like Djokovic doesn't care in a masters final. Im sure he was just there for the wings
Genious at Work
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If Likes were working I still wouldn't give you one.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
During Cinci? I didn't see that.
Yeah you would......
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
To be honest, Djokovic doesn't seem to be giving a damn to non-GS titles.
I think he wants to win every m1000 he plays..but im not sure when he loses the pain of defeat lasts much longer than an hour or so. Same with Nadal and Federer I suspect. I guess they may have certain events outside the majors they have a big affinity for though.
justinmarcos1976
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Damaging loss...sure.
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Deleted member 762343
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That’s not what I said.
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Deleted member 629564
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Don't forget Sascha "The Best BH On Tour" Zverev.Rafa should be a massive massive favourite for the USO right now. Then is between Federer, Medvedev, Djokovic and Thiem.
Its like he gives a dam till second set. And if it goes beyond he doesn't gives a damn.
But lets be rational here. A Best of three format just gets over in the blink of an eye. A player catches heat and the match is over. I mean what are the odds that Medvedev would have hit 120 + second Serves continuously over 3 Sets?
None..he would have lost next two sets 6-2, 6-1. He was gassed.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Since losing to Rafa in USO13, Novak beat him ALL EIGHT TIMES on HC, including two on American soil.
And he beat Rafa FOUR times on clay during this period, while losing 4.
To sum up:
Since 2013 USO:
Djokovic - Rafa
8-0 on HC (in America, Asia, Europe and Jupiter)
4-4 on clay
1-0 grass
13-4 overall.
I believe that settles that...
You haven't answered the question...I asked when was the last time they played on North American HC? Anything over a year ago is utterly irrelevant tbh.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Anything before 2018 is irrelevant...
... yet you focus on 2010-2013!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Call. Me. Guffaw.
Btw, HC is HC, America isn't planet Neptune.
You have zero arguments. Quit while you're still... well not ahead, but before you're light-years behind.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
When he got broke in the second set I think.
Dude...I have already defeated your argument lol. Fact you don't know the difference between North American Hard courts and Australasian hard courts suggests to me you have limited knowledge of tennis.
You cannot have it both ways...if you want to rely on hard court matches from Beijing 2013 on wards...then you have to include Nadal 2-1 Djokovic at USO..it is that simple. Quit being bitter you got owned. lmao.
N01E
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jackdaw
Rookie
The point is Nadal won't even need to worry about facing Nole, some pleb will do him a favour and then he will just beat them - or some other pleb that beats pleb #1 6-1 6-0 6-0 in 52 minutes in the USO final.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
The reason the Masters record is not talked about a lot is because Fedfan commentators have ignored it as Fedr does not hold the record. The GOAT debate is centered around Fedr's achievements.
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