Which one was a better match? W 19 F or USO 19 F?

Which one was a better match?

  • Wimbledon Final 19

    Votes: 39 49.4%
  • USO Final 19

    Votes: 23 29.1%
  • Goffin - Berdych (6-0,6-0)

    Votes: 17 21.5%

  • Total voters
    79
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ForumMember

Hall of Fame
Okay, this question has been heavy on my heart ever since I witnessed that epic 5 hour long drama at USO. So letting it out.

General convention would clearly go with W Final. A 38 yr old GOAT contender going at what could have been dream finale of his glittering career against another GOAT contender. A match full of drama. Two missed match points. Going to maximum length possible with 5th set ending in TB at 12-12. TBs make for lot of drama and this match had three of them. In comparison to this USO final was rather low key. One of the participants was a rookie playing first time major final. Match didn't go the distance as it could have. So pales in comparison.

However, with every repeated viewing I am getting convinced that quality wise USO final would triumph W final rather easily. Though match didn't seem to be as dramatic a W one but Med comeback after being down 2 sets and a break is nothing short than stuff of movies. You throw in shot clock in the final set, when Nadal seems to be playing as much against shot clock as he did against Med, drama quotient go even higher.

But what actually tilts scale in favor of this match, which also makes this match best match of year 2019, is the sheer quality of Tennis 3rd set onwards. Med had got his engine on somewhere in middle of 3rd set, may be triggered by that silly overhead miss by Nadal and after that he was unstoppable. I don't think Nadal could have done much to save that 3rd set. In the final game of 3rd set Med played like a man possessed and bludgeoned ball for back to back forehand down the line winners. As a reward he was able to break Nadal to take the match to 4th set. There were many other moments in the match which would make for the reel of classic tennis moments. Both players were brilliant tactically and kept changing their pattern of play. Nadal brought two outstanding changes which proved to be masterstroke - Sliding wide serve from the ad court on the backhand side of Med and wicked use of slices particularly once he sensed lethargy that Med was showed in getting that 6'6'' down to deal with low slices. On his part Med was very good with droppers and net play and exploited Nadal return position to some extent.

In comparison in W 19 , Djokovic form was just lukewarm only which kind of put a ceiling on the overall quality of the match. He was kind of hanging on in the match most of the time. I don't think there are many shots from the match which will be part of highlight reels for shot-making. Though I agree those two match points that Fed missed will be most watched moments on youtube from year 2019.

I could be little biased here because of the extent to which I was involved emotionally in USO final. But even if I use some discounting factor to offset my obvious bias, I would vote for USO final as the match of the year.
 
2019 Wimbledon Final, was legendary encounter, match that defines an era with historical effects, similar to the 2008 Wimbledon final, or 2012 and 2017 AO finals.
2019 USO final was great dramatic match in terms of one season- the 2019. Similar to 2018 USO Nadal-Thiem match, 2013 AO Djokovic Wawrinka, or the 2009 Wimbledon final.
 

ForumMember

Hall of Fame
2019 Wimbledon Final, was legendary encounter, match that defines an era with historical effects, similar to the 2008 Wimbledon final, or 2012 and 2017 AO finals.
2019 USO final was great dramatic match in terms of one season- the 2019. Similar to 2018 USO Nadal-Thiem match, 2013 AO Djokovic Wawrinka, or the 2009 Wimbledon final.
Not denying legendary status of the W final match. But in terms of quality I would say it was much inferior to USO 19.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Obviously OP, a well-known doll worshipper, would like to try and convince the sheeple the uso final was the true goat match of time and space while grasscourtery was filled by disgusting servebotting in OPee's terms which doesn't count because it's so disgusting. I wonder if OP even wants to be taken seriously, surely he knows he's known as a staunch vamosbrigadier, which precludes real discussion by definition.
 

ElChivoEspañol

Hall of Fame
Obviously OP, a well-known doll worshipper, would like to try and convince the sheeple the uso final was the true goat match of time and space while grasscourtery was filled by disgusting servebotting in OPee's terms which doesn't count because it's so disgusting. I wonder if OP even wants to be taken seriously, surely he knows he's known as a staunch vamosbrigadier, which precludes real discussion by definition.

I’m sure you’re going somewhere with this pathetic rant.

We’ll wait.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
In the 4th round, no the SF. Federer played Nadal in his SF lmao.

Schwartzman, Berrettini, Medvedev. The grand 3.
Slam finals/semifinals played against Big3:

Djokovic 28/61 (45.9%)
Nadal 27/60 (45%)
Federer 29/76 (38.2%)

against Big4:

Djokovic 37/61 (60.7%)
Nadal 33/60 (55%)
Federer 34/76 (44.7%)
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Obviously OP, a well-known doll worshipper, would like to try and convince the sheeple the uso final was the true goat match of time and space while grasscourtery was filled by disgusting servebotting in OPee's terms which doesn't count because it's so disgusting. I wonder if OP even wants to be taken seriously, surely he knows he's known as a staunch vamosbrigadier, which precludes real discussion by definition.
According to you every match Nadal ever won in his career was an ugly match which involved terrible choking from his opponent.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
According to you every match Nadal ever won in his career was an ugly match which involved terrible choking from his opponent.

Mixed me up with tennis_amateur or something. Nadal's opponents are more likely to exhibit proverbial signs of choking because his style invites it (defence, protracted points), not really because they turn into mental midgets playing nadal specifically.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
USO final had much higher quality, it's not even close. You can talk about drama and history, but if we only discuss level of play then Wimbledon final was nothing special. Djokovic played bad, Federer was too afraid to take advantage of it. During the whole final only for 3 minutes I thought Federer might win it, when he served for the match. When it became 8-8 I knew he was going to lose.
 

Linelicker

Rookie
USO final had much higher quality, it's not even close. You can talk about drama and history, but if we only discuss level of play then Wimbledon final was nothing special. Djokovic played bad, Federer was too afraid to take advantage of it. During the whole final only for 3 minutes I thought Federer might win it, when he served for the match. When it became 8-8 I knew he was going to lose.

Especially the 3 last sets were terrific at the Open.

Agree on Wimbledon. All along I was thinking 'Federer should win, but I don't think he will'. Djokovic was lackluster. Embarrassing for Federer not to take advantage, despite being an oldie. Obviously a mental hurdle for him to face Djokovic.
 
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Pheasant

Legend
No match with Medvedev is epic. Nadal blinked for a couple of sets. That’s it. Order was restored in the 5th set for the most part. 2010 Nadal would have embarrassed Medvedev in straight sets. 2019 Nadal blinked for 2 sets, yet still won.

I expect that a man 1 month shy of being 38 years old to get shredded by an ATG player. However, Djoker was way off his game for some reason. It’s almost as though he tanked a couple of sets, just to make it interesting. Luckily for him, the dinosaur choked massively.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
USO Final. Wimby was epic though, but the emotions were crazier at the US Open, Nadal looked done :p
You have got to be kidding me. Nadal beating Berrettini 6-0 6-0 6-0 in the final would bring more emotions according to you.

The Wimbledon final could easily be one of the best if not the best Slam final ever.

A Slam final involving Medvedev? LOL so epic. Expected result from start to finish, Nadal just turned on the choke mode for a while.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
You have got to be kidding me. Nadal beating Berrettini 6-0 6-0 6-0 in the final would bring more emotions according to you.

The Wimbledon final could easily be one of the best if not the best Slam final ever.

The best thing about the Wimby final is how close the score was. It was emotional only for the fact that we actually thought Federer would beat Djokovic and Nadal back to back.... the fact that he didn't really puts a downer on it.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
The best thing about the Wimby final is how close the score was. It was emotional only for the fact that we actually thought Federer would beat Djokovic and Nadal back to back.... the fact that he didn't really puts a downer on it.
There isn't a single person who thought about Nadal during the Federer-Djokovic final.
 

aman92

Legend
In the 4th round, no the SF. Federer played Nadal in his SF lmao.

Schwartzman, Berrettini, Medvedev. The grand 3.
The same Medvedev who had recently beaten Djokovic and was the outstanding player of the North American Hard court season is a mug now? Who asked Federer to lose to freaking Dimitrov then... He could have faced the Medvedev mug in the semi finals
 

Linelicker

Rookie
That's right. Federer had it easier in his early years.

You don't choose when you're born.

Federer couldn't meet them when they were not on tour. So his numbers look "weaker" the way you present them.

The tour has been very weak the last couple of years...
 

Linelicker

Rookie
The same Medvedev who had recently beaten Djokovic and was the outstanding player of the North American Hard court season is a mug now? Who asked Federer to lose to freaking Dimitrov then... He could have faced the Medvedev mug in the semi finals

I'm not sure Federer would have beaten Nadal, but if his back hadn't checked out, he would never have lost to Dimitrov.

A first time finalist is never considered a big challenge. That said, Medvedev delivered and then some! Great final, happy Nadal won :)
 
The only way the U.S. final could've been better than Wimbledon is if Medvedev had came back from 2 sets down to win. Instead, he lost like everyone thought he would anyway. It was a good match, but not in the same hemisphere as Djokovic/Federer. Nadal fans celebrate everything as the greatest ever bs just because Nadal was there.
 

Roddick85

Hall of Fame
Wimbledon 2019. It basically had all the ingredients one can ask for, 2 great rivals and legends of the game fighting for the trophy with the match going the distance along with some drama (40-15). I think this match will be remembered forever. Even though I really enjoyed the USO final as Medvedev fought and went the distance, you can't say Nadal/Medvedev have much of a rivalry/history going for it to be really special at this point.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
The same Medvedev who had recently beaten Djokovic and was the outstanding player of the North American Hard court season is a mug now? Who asked Federer to lose to freaking Dimitrov then... He could have faced the Medvedev mug in the semi finals
Fed beat Medvedev in late 2018 while being in absolute crap form LOL
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Yeah and there's no difference between Medvedev of 2018 and Medvedev of 2019. Didn't Fed get absolutely thrashed by Rublev in Cincinnatti, the same player who Nadal thumped at the USO in 2017?
Well 1 vs 2 years is pretty big for guys who are just beginning to reach their primes.

Like compare 2006 Djokovic to 2007 Djokovic to 2008 Djokovic.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not sure Federer would have beaten Nadal, but if his back hadn't checked out, he would never have lost to Dimitrov.

A first time finalist is never considered a big challenge. That said, Medvedev delivered and then some! Great final, happy Nadal won :)

Agree with everything, except for the laste sentence...

Would have loved if the Mad Lad had turned 0-2 to victory in his first final. Not THAT would have been epic. And he got very close.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
You don't choose when you're born.

Federer couldn't meet them when they were not on tour. So his numbers look "weaker" the way you present them.

The tour has been very weak the last couple of years...
No, he didn't choose to be luckier.
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
Just looking at the stats USO > Wimby. Both RAFA and Sheet were almost +20 in the winners to UFEs ratio. Joker was actually pretty average to below average (only +2 and almost had a 1:1 ace to DF ratio) that entire match which was a big factor in why it went 5 sets. If Joker had played the way he had all tournament leading up to the final, that thing ends in 4.
 
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