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twohandedslice

twohandedslice

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Hey guys, can anyone compare the K7 Lime with the TC97 V3? 18x20. I have read some older posts on this but it would be great to have some fresh input.

I currently have the Lime, and I really like it. But I've heard some great stuff about the TC97 and would love to hear opinions?

Thanks guys.
 
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Jouke

Professional
LeeCMB said:
Hey guys, can anyone compare the K7 Lime with the TC97 V3? 18x20. I have read some older posts on this but it would be great to have some fresh input.

I currently have the Lime, and I really like it. But I've heard some great stuff about the TC97 and would love to hear opinions?

Thanks guys.
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The biggest advantage of the lime imho is the lower swingweight. Its more manouverable than the TC97. The V3 TC97 has a lower swingweight than the V2 and I only tried the V2. But my V2 TC97 18x20’s had a swingweight of around 340 and were too cumbersome. Lime feels a little softer
 
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Tennis Passionate

Rookie
Anyone has experience of playing with TC95 63 RA 16x19 with high swing weights like between 305-310 unstrung? Will that be too much to handle? Just trying to understand if it feels like a club and too cumbersome or manageable. I can handle RF97 swing weight and its in the range of 335-340 strung i guess
 
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Jouke

Professional
Tennis Passionate said:
Anyone has experience of playing with TC95 63 RA 16x19 with high swing weights like between 305-310 unstrung? Will that be too much to handle? Just trying to understand if it feels like a club and too cumbersome or manageable. I can handle RF97 swing weight and its in the range of 335-340 strung i guess
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My advise would be to take a normal swingweight angell and add lead to it if you feel like you need a higher swingweight. you can always up the swingweight by adding leading. Reducing the swingweight of an unleaded racket sucks. (Cutting grommets or sanding down paint)

Go to a pro store to have your RF97 put on a swingweight machine. With the Wilson QC your Rf97 could be 320 swingweight or 350 swingweight.
 
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ed70

Professional
emhtennis said:
Just played some fantastic tennis with 17g Head Lynx Tour in my TC97 18x20. Strung 2 piece at 48lbs. Not on my radar at all, but couldn't pass up the TW blowout sale of $4 a set.

Lynx Tour is a hexagonal poly and the package says it is made for control and spin (as opposed to power and comfort). Well, it still felt really comfortable and true to marketing I felt extremely dialed in.

I'm going thru my Tier 1 promo package playtest. Firewire boost feels like it gives me more spin and more comfort, but less power and less control. Havent put Black Knight in yet. Unless BK blows me away I might be a Lynx Tour guy. The champagne color of the string also looks great in the Black/Copper racket.

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using Head lynx edge In one of my tc97’s strung it at 50 very impressive, especially spin serves... although I’ve a little discomfort in forearm That’s a bit odd. Might try lower tension. They only do 17g but seems thicker than 17g BK.
 
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ed70

Professional
Jouke said:
My advise would be to take a normal swingweight angell and add lead to it if you feel like you need a higher swingweight. you can always up the swingweight by adding leading. Reducing the swingweight of an unleaded racket sucks. (Cutting grommets or sanding down paint)

Go to a pro store to have your RF97 put on a swingweight machine. With the Wilson QC your Rf97 could be 320 swingweight or 350 swingweight.
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Worth buying the Octane paint for extra SW (3-5pts) probably take TC95 to 330SW & save his shoulder & arm too. 330’s more than enough unless your in the Worlds Top 100.
 
BPlain

BPlain

Semi-Pro
Fellow K7 Red users: What are you stringing with and at what tension(s)? I'm enjoying every stroke with the exception of my topspin forehand. Everything is either really short or just long.

I started with HALO Hybrid K7 Red at 50lbs but just broke them today. I'm now trying my previous go-to – Volkl Cyclone Tour 18 (1.20) – at 50lbs and hoping that will do the trick. I've had elbow issues in the past and Cyclone Tour is one of the softest polys with the most spin potential I could find but more than anything, I need my forehand! Any help you would be appreciated.

PS: Anyone know if Paul shares his string specs? I usually use the Tennis Warehouse String University tool to research. Thanks!
 
Caol-ila

Caol-ila

Rookie
PigPen said:
Received mine in early 2018. The frame is very soft.
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Me too, it was too soft. I sold it, then I purchased an used one one year later, and it was OK. Now it is my favorite reacquet.

As for Red and Lime power, I understand that customization changes their behaviour, even if I worked similarly on both, adding a leather grip and taking the balance at 32 for both. Anyway a difference in weight remained - 10 grams - maybe that explains my perceived difference in power. Now I have changed something taking away the leather grip from the Lime. Still I feel the Lime as more powerful, but they have different strings, Gosen AK PRO CX 16 for the Red, 17 for the Lime. 21/20 kgs, 4 knots.
The Red launch angle is higher than the Lime one, maybe part of the energy goes into that, who knows.
I admit this is not very scientific.
 
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PigPen

Professional
Caol-ila said:
Me too, it was too soft. I sold it, then I purchased an used one one year later, and it was OK. Now it is my favorite reacquet.

As for Red and Lime power, I understand that customization changes their behaviour, even if I worked similarly on both, adding a leather grip and taking the balance at 32 for both. Anyway a difference in weight remained - 10 grams - maybe that explains my perceived difference in power. Now I have changed something taking away the leather grip from the Lime. Still I feel the Lime as more powerful, but they have different strings, Gosen AK PRO CX 16 for the Red, 17 for the Lime. 21/20 kgs, 4 knots.
The Red launch angle is higher than the Lime one, maybe part of the energy goes into that, who knows.
I admit this is not very scientific.
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What was the difference in stiffness between the old and new K7 Red? Were there any other differences (i.e. weight, swingweight, feel, etc)?
 
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PigPen

Professional
Caol-ila said:
Me too, it was too soft. I sold it, then I purchased an used one one year later, and it was OK. Now it is my favorite reacquet.

As for Red and Lime power, I understand that customization changes their behaviour, even if I worked similarly on both, adding a leather grip and taking the balance at 32 for both. Anyway a difference in weight remained - 10 grams - maybe that explains my perceived difference in power. Now I have changed something taking away the leather grip from the Lime. Still I feel the Lime as more powerful, but they have different strings, Gosen AK PRO CX 16 for the Red, 17 for the Lime. 21/20 kgs, 4 knots.
The Red launch angle is higher than the Lime one, maybe part of the energy goes into that, who knows.
I admit this is not very scientific.
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I have arm issues as well and am liking Wilson Control mains and Creme crosses. I find that the frame plays much better with weight added. I tend to hit the ball high on the frame, so I need lead on the upper part of the hoop.
 
Caol-ila

Caol-ila

Rookie
PigPen said:
What was the difference in stiffness between the old and new K7 Red? Were there any other differences (i.e. weight, swingweight, feel, etc)?
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The weight was the same. All the differences came from the stiffness one. The older one felt softer, the SW somewhat lower but just because it was more flexible.
 
twohandedslice

twohandedslice

New User
Hey guys, I'm going to buy a TC97. However, I'm not entirely sure how to customise it to have it play close to my K7 Lime.

My current thoughts are:

18x20
310g, 315mm, 9pts HL.

How do you guys this is spec will compare against the Lime - 315g, 310mm,10pts HL?
 
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emhtennis

Professional
LeeCMB said:
Hey guys, I'm going to buy a TC97. However, I'm not entirely sure how to customise it to have it play close to my K7 Lime.

My current thoughts are:

18x20
310g, 315mm, 9pts HL.

How do you guys this is spec will compare against the Lime - 315g, 310mm,10pts HL?
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How much customizing after you get it do you plan on doing?

I have the 97 in the exact spec you listed. Ordered with a regular synthetic base grip. I have since switched all of them to leather and now my frames all weigh 315g and are more HL.


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twohandedslice

twohandedslice

New User
emhtennis said:
How much customizing after you get it do you plan on doing?

I have the 97 in the exact spec you listed. Ordered with a regular synthetic base grip. I have since switched all of them to leather and now my frames all weigh 315g and are more HL.


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Hey there,

Pretty much just adding the leather grip, which I also do with the Lime.
 
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emhtennis

Professional
I would assume adding leather to a lime woukd make it closer to 320 unstrung and 11 or 12pt HL?

If you can handle the weight you may just want to order the 320g TC97 with leather grip in the most HL balance they offer? Then you wouldn't have to do any more work.

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Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
LeeCMB said:
Hey there,

Pretty much just adding the leather grip, which I also do with the Lime.
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My suggestion would be to go with the 310g/315mm specs with the leather already applied by Angell. You might be surprised how dynamic the TC frames play a little lighter than the Lime, but everyone is different. If I ever buy TC95s again, they will be 310g/315mm with leather.
 
twohandedslice

twohandedslice

New User
emhtennis said:
I would assume adding leather to a lime woukd make it closer to 320 unstrung and 11 or 12pt HL?

If you can handle the weight you may just want to order the 320g TC97 with leather grip in the most HL balance they offer? Then you wouldn't have to do any more work.

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I have considered this too. Thanks for the suggestion
 
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KelownaTennis

New User
Thanks for the helpful advice! I ended up just adding a leather grip and a touch of tungsten putty in the trap door instead of messing with the weights in the pallets. My TC95 18X20 is now 353g strung and 8.5 pts head light. A bit heavy, but still amazing!

New question: my TC95 16x19 and 18x20 have a slightly different sound on contact. I like the sound of the 16x19, but LOVE the sound of the 18x20! Is the difference in sound normal? Or is it just the strings? (both poly, but different brands and different tensions between the two racquets)

Thanks!
 
twohandedslice

twohandedslice

New User
Hey TC97 owners, could you possibly give me a little advice?

I'm going to buy my first TC97, and I'm debating on either the 320g 12pts HL 18x20, or the lighter 310g 9pts HL.

I'm coming from the K7 Lime, which I play and feel good with.

My questions are, do you guys know what the swing weight would be for these two specs?

Thanks again guys.
 
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emhtennis

Professional
LeeCMB said:
Hey TC97 owners, could you possibly give me a little advice?

I'm going to buy my first TC97, and I'm debating on either the 320g 12pts HL 18x20, or the lighter 310g 9pts HL.

I'm coming from the K7 Lime, which I play and feel good with.

My questions are, do you guys know what the swing weight would be for these two specs?

Thanks again guys.
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I would shoot Paul a message on Facebook. He'll probably answer it within 20min.

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tennis347

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sf3655 said:
Can anyone compare the ASL2 to the K7 red.
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I have played with both the ASL2 and the K7 Red. The main differencei in the feel aspect. The ASL2 plays a bit firmer and is foam filled. The ASL2 has more of modern racquet feel where as the K7 Red has a more plush feel and better ball pocketing. In terms of power they have similar power levels but the ASL2 might have a tad more in stock form. The control is also very close but would give a slight edge to the K7 Red. Both racquets are very arm friendly. The SW are pretty close but I would say that the ASL2 is a little more HL and is 5 grams heavier. I personally prefer the K7 Red due to the old school plush feel. I have ASL2 that I am looking to part with if you are interested. Send me a DM if you are inclined. Hopefully this gives you some good insight.
 
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Jouke

Professional
LeeCMB said:
Hey TC97 owners, could you possibly give me a little advice?

I'm going to buy my first TC97, and I'm debating on either the 320g 12pts HL 18x20, or the lighter 310g 9pts HL.

I'm coming from the K7 Lime, which I play and feel good with.

My questions are, do you guys know what the swing weight would be for these two specs?

Thanks again guys.
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Why are you moving away from the lime?
 
twohandedslice

twohandedslice

New User
Jouke said:
Why are you moving away from the lime?
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The Limes are great, but I would like a little more more power, plough and spin. Maybe a little more feedback too. I'm not sure I'd get anymore spin with the TC97 (18X20), but I'm hoping to get a bit more power, plough, and feedback.

I'm also extremely intrigued with the TC line and the foam filled racket concept. I've never tried one before, and have read great things in regard to stability and feel (and sound).
 
Classic-TXP-IG MID

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Just strung both of my TC95 and TC97 16x19s with Babolat Origin 1.30mm in the Mains @ 53.5 and 53 lbs respectively and MSV Focus Hex Plus 38 1.25mm in the crosses @ 46 lbs.

The Dynamic Tension (DT) on the TC95 was 36 and on TC97 it was 35... which is lower than I prefer. The racquets are quite powerful, so if I like how they feel overall, I will probably string them tighter in the future.

Both racquets were very comfortable and I could hit all my shots with them, but even though the TC95 had a higher DT (I know it's not much) it was the one that I had to be more present with otherwise the ball would sail long. Out of the two though I found myself gravitating towards the TC97 as it had a lower ball trajectory due to the flex profile.

This was opposite to my experience with my TC95 and TC97 18x20s where I felt that the TC97 needed to be a couple of lbs softer (in both the Mains and Crosses) in order to both soften the stringbed (in comparison to the TC95) and increase the launch angle. I could play with both of the 18x20s but enjoyed the TC95 more and felt the TC97 demanded more focus and attention to my technique in order to get the same out of it.

One thing is for sure... all the racquets are phenomenal and I'm getting closer to being comfortable with both string patterns. I am more confident that with the right string and tension combos I will be able to extract the best out of all of them and have four serious weapons in my tennis bag.
 
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rider4ever

Rookie
Classic-TXP-IG MID said:
Just strung both of my TC95 and TC97 16x19s with Babolat Origin 1.30mm in the Mains @ 53.5 and 53 lbs respectively and MSV Focus Hex Plus 38 1.25mm in the crosses @ 46 lbs.

The Dynamic Tension (DT) on the TC95 was 36 and on TC97 it was 35... which is lower than I prefer. The racquets are quite powerful, so if I like how they feel overall, I will probably string them tighter in the future.

Both racquets were very comfortable and I could hit all my shots with them, but even though the TC95 had a higher DT (I know it's not much) it was the one that I had to be more present with otherwise the ball would sail long. Out of the two though I found myself gravitating towards the TC97 as it had a lower ball trajectory due to the flex profile.

This was opposite to my experience with my TC95 and TC97 18x20s where I felt that the TC97 needed to be a couple of lbs softer (in both the Mains and Crosses) in order to both soften the stringbed (in comparison to the TC95) and increase the launch angle. I could play with both of the 18x20s but enjoyed the TC95 more and felt the TC97 demanded more focus and attention to my technique in order to get the same out of it.

One thing is for sure... all the racquets are phenomenal and I'm getting closer to being comfortable with both string patterns. I am more confident that with the right string and tension combos I will be able to extract the best out of all of them and have four serious weapons in my tennis bag.
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What’s the weight and balance of your two setups?
 
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rider4ever

Rookie
LeeCMB said:
The Limes are great, but I would like a little more more power, plough and spin. Maybe a little more feedback too. I'm not sure I'd get anymore spin with the TC97 (18X20), but I'm hoping to get a bit more power, plough, and feedback.

I'm also extremely intrigued with the TC line and the foam filled racket concept. I've never tried one before, and have read great things in regard to stability and feel (and sound).
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Exactly how I felt going from Lime to Tc97. You won’t be disappointed
 
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Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
rider4ever said:
What’s the weight and balance of your two setups?
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I'm not able to check right now, but all of my racquets have added weight in the head and handle. I won't be able to give you SW as I don't have the machine (but will get them measured at some point).

I know that my TC95 18x20 is 369g static weight. I've added a bit of weight to the head at 3,9, and 12 o'clock, as well as, adding weight at the 7" above the butt cap position. My racquets are also 4 3/8 and have two overgrips on them (first with no overlap and the second as normal).

The TC97 18x20 would be somewhere around there... maybe 363g (from memory).

The TC95 and TC97 16x19s I modified some time back so I will have to check tomorrow (as it is after midnight here in Australia). TC95 is 353g static weight; TC97 is 355g (seem identically balanced using the edge of table method)

Both of my 18x20s started as 330g static weight unstrung. The TC95 had a 305mm balance and the TC97 a 310mm balance prior to modification. They feel similarly balanced post-modification as I've tried to counterbalance any additions to the head with equal weight in the handle. I will check these at some point too but I'm happy with how they feel when swinging.

EDIT: Measured the static weights for those I was not sure of... in bold
 
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rider4ever

Rookie
I had both string patterns in 330gms 12 pts headlight. I customized them to 310gms 9 pts headlight and like the lighter setup a lot. I loved the extra kick and topspin I got from the 16x19 but the control from the 18x20 is at another level. I am currently playing with the 18x20 although I feel its kinda demanding at times especially on my off days.
 
twohandedslice

twohandedslice

New User
rider4ever said:
I had both string patterns in 330gms 12 pts headlight. I customized them to 310gms 9 pts headlight and like the lighter setup a lot. I loved the extra kick and topspin I got from the 16x19 but the control from the 18x20 is at another level. I am currently playing with the 18x20 although I feel its kinda demanding at times especially on my off days.
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You bought a 330g, and customised down to 310g? I didn't even know you could do that?

or did you mean you bought the 310g and customised up to 330g?
 
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Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
LeeCMB said:
You bought a 330g, and customised down to 310g? I didn't even know you could do that?

or did you mean you bought the 310g and customised up to 330g?
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Look at post 23,359 above by Haqq777. See those lead chunks at the bottom of the hairpin. That's how Angell modifies the weight of the custom frames ... all in those chambers (top/bottom ... both sides). So yes, you remove lead chunks, and you reduce your weight, typically 10-15g at a time.
 
twohandedslice

twohandedslice

New User
Pneumated1 said:
Look at post 23,359 above by Haqq777. See those lead chunks at the bottom of the hairpin. That's how Angell modifies the weight of the custom frames ... all in one of those various chambers. So yes, you remove lead chunks, and you reduce your weight, typically 10-15g at a time.
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That's impressive. So would you say it makes sense to buy the heaviest option and modify the weight yourself as to what fits your game the most?
 
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Pneumated1

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LeeCMB said:
That's impressive. So would you say it makes sense to buy the heaviest option and modify the weight yourself as to what fits your game the most?
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No, I would not recommend that. It's best to know your specs beforehand and much easier to add weight than remove it. I removed 10g from a 320g frame to make it 310g, and it's much easier to add weight. I still suggest that you go with the 310g/315mm option of the TC97. It will likely punch bigger than the Lime's stock specs, and you'll have room to add weight as you desire/find necessary.
 
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rider4ever

Rookie
LeeCMB said:
You bought a 330g, and customised down to 310g? I didn't even know you could do that?

or did you mean you bought the 310g and customised up to 330g?
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Here's the post with some details of my customization:

If you know exactly what you want, then just get that configuration. I have always bought used from fellow members here, so I never had the chance to pick. I always played with heavier racquets but have been open to playing with lesser weight after a lot of positive review for the lower weight Angells. I am happy with the TC97 18x20 in the 310gm 315mm setup except I sometimes feel the lack of weight while volleying. My volley skills are also to blame there
 
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Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
@LeeCMB, do you have your Lime modified at all?

Edit: the reason I ask is if you do, then the 320g/310 TC97 would also be a natural fit for you, but the swing weight of it will probably exceed that of the Lime, so you have the double adjustment of higher static and swing weight. That's my reasoning behind the 310g/315mm suggestion.
 
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twohandedslice

twohandedslice

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Just a leather grip, which I'll probably add to the TC97 too.

I'm currently thinking the 310 is the way to go, but I am also debating the 320 too. I've emailed Paul to ask about the swing weight of both rackets and the Lime, and I'll make a decision on what he gets back to me with. I think the 310 might be the all round option, but I know I'd just love the 320 on volleys.
 
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Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
LeeCMB said:
Just a leather grip, which I'll probably add to the TC97 too.

I'm currently thinking the 310 is the way to go, but I am also debating the 320 too. I've emailed Paul to ask about the swing weight of both rackets and the Lime, and I'll make a decision on what he gets back to me with. I think the 310 might be the all round option, but I know I'd just love the 320 on volleys.
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That's the rub: volleys and bh slice (at least for me) ... better with the 320g, but not a huge compromise at 310. You have to know your game, and in my experience with Paul, he'll set you on a straight path.
 
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Rysty

Rookie
KelownaTennis said:
Thanks for the helpful advice! I ended up just adding a leather grip and a touch of tungsten putty in the trap door instead of messing with the weights in the pallets. My TC95 18X20 is now 353g strung and 8.5 pts head light. A bit heavy, but still amazing!

New question: my TC95 16x19 and 18x20 have a slightly different sound on contact. I like the sound of the 16x19, but LOVE the sound of the 18x20! Is the difference in sound normal? Or is it just the strings? (both poly, but different brands and different tensions between the two racquets)

Thanks!
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Now that you mentioned it, yes, they sound different. I think it is just a difference between open and dense stringbed.
 
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dalebooher

New User
New to Angell racquets and just finally settling in on specs. I have been a long time player of more classic style player frames and the TC97 is absolutely perfect for my game. This thread has helped convince me to try out Angell and I doubt I will ever play with anything else, thank you. Ex-D3 college player who played 1 Singles and Doubles all four years, graduated a few years ago.

TC97
330 Grams
310mm Balance 10 pts HL
4 3/8" Grip Shape A
16X19 String Pattern
27" Standard Length
66RA Stiffness
Octane Paint Job
*3 Grams of lead at 12 O'clock

I string with Luxilon Alu Power 16L at 55lbs for reference

I am also selling my TC95 in the FS section: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...c95-custom-4-3-8-16x19-9-10-condition.675702/
 
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emhtennis

Professional
dalebooher said:
New to Angell racquets and just finally settling in on specs. I have been a long time player of more classic style player frames and the TC97 is absolutely perfect for my game. This thread has helped convince me to try out Angell and I doubt I will ever play with anything else, thank you. Ex-D3 college player who played 1 Singles and Doubles all four years, graduated a few years ago.

TC97
330 Grams
310mm Balance 10 pts HL
4 3/8" Grip Shape A
16X19 String Pattern
27" Standard Length
66RA Stiffness
Octane Paint Job
*3 Grams of lead at 12 O'clock

I string with Luxilon Alu Power 16L at 55lbs for reference

I am also selling my TC95 in the FS section: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...c95-custom-4-3-8-16x19-9-10-condition.675702/
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Your specs sound like the "Andy Murray PT57A Special" haha [emoji1]

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