Thiem will win at least 5-10 grand slams

JohanLiebert

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Once Djokovic stops dominating, Thiem will be the first to capitalise. Unlike the others, he will have the least likelihood of being knocked out in the first few rounds of tournaments. He will be making it deep everywhere. As Ivan Lendl noted recently, "33 is the new 27 in tennis". Regardless, Thiem might play at this level for at least the next 5-8 years. He is already the next king of clay. After Nadal, he might own RG. Even now, he is the guy for Djokovic and Nadal to beat on HC (case in point being the 2020 AO apart from other instances). Moreover, he is going to be the next consistent guy. The likes of Zverev, Tsitsipas, Medvedev might challenge him—every now and then, however, Thiem will be the guy who will be making it the furthest in each tournament on average.

Edit: I made this post after Thiem had just won his first slam.
 
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Waterwater

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If I can have such a bet, I will bet Thiem will be done winning GS before Djokovic and Nadal are done, even considering the age difference
 
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if he stays focused and keeps himself fit enough for the next 4 or 5 years, i see no reason why he can't sit on 5 - 10 slams........he's definitely got the tools to succeed for a long time on clay and hardcourts........even though his first slam is a hardcourt victory, he will be remembered for his prowess on clay in the coming years........
 
Krish0608

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He needed some luck to break through. He needed to play a non big 3 in the finals. He got that luck with USO. I hope he goes on a roll now and wins quite a lot. He has the hunger, the will and the game to be the very best.
 
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Waterwater said:
If I can have such a bet, I will bet Thiem will be done winning GS before Djokovic and Nadal are done, even considering the age difference
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I think he is basically done already. He needed everything to align for himself to win a GS. Next time there won't be Christmas for that guy.
 
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Krish0608 said:
He needed some luck to break through. He needed to play a non big 3 in the finals. He got that luck with USO. I hope he goes on a roll now and wins quite a lot. He has the hunger, the will and the game to be the very best.
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your fave needed massive luck for his first 10 slams........
 
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Tennisbg said:
I think he is basically done already. He needed everything to align for himself to win a GS. Next time there won't be Christmas for that guy.
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No, he will play at this level for the next half a decade, at the least. He is the most consistent player right now. Second Best at clay. Probably second best at HC. He is more consistent than anyone else who can stop him in the future.
 
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Start da Game said:
your fave needed massive luck for his first 10 slams........
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Your favorite needed the tennis federation intervening (under Tio Toni's pressure) to slow down courts and allow him to win anything other than RG

and lol at Djokodals competition being strong.....Fed had 5 and 6 years younger all time greats at his heels all the time...Who did Djokodal have? Raonic, Dimitrov and Nishikori? Injured Delpo? What a joke!
 
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Tennisbg said:
I think he is basically done already. He needed everything to align for himself to win a GS. Next time there won't be Christmas for that guy.
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I don’t think Thiem is done yet he will have a couple of years I think. GS win is GS win no matter how you do it. But the moment he has his first big injury he will be done. Like Murray who is a better player in his prime than Thiem btw. They all do. And the only ones who could come back from big injury are the Big 3 and they are much much better and more all around players than Thiem is and will ever be
 
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Krish0608 said:
He needed some luck to break through. He needed to play a non big 3 in the finals. He got that luck with USO. I hope he goes on a roll now and wins quite a lot. He has the hunger, the will and the game to be the very best.
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Thiem will beat Federer anywhere besides Wimbledon, but admittedly that's not a hard ask right now. He beat Nadal the last time they met at Slam, playing the big points much better, hence winning all 3 tiebreaks! Oh, he beat Novak twice at RG! To me, that's plenty evidence he's up to the job.

He just needs equal rest, instead of having no rest days, while his fellow Slam finalist has 2 rest days out of last 4, as happened at '19 RG.
 
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Start da Game said:
your fave needed massive luck for his first 10 slams........
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you need some help and I mean that literally "clueless about da game". He simply stated the reality about Thiem's first slam and you drag in fed with your delusional evaluations ? that's why I say you need help.
federer's competition was only relatively weak in 06 from 2003-07.
also reminder your guy is the "always gets a cakewalk to the final when I win USO" guy.
And by your level of knowledge/perspective had an absolutely pathetic clay court field to deal with.
 
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Nope. If Zod wasn't uber nervous, he wouldn't have any yet. He does have the game but his head is not there yet. Unless he can bring the level he's capable of when playing Djoko, Rafa into finals against Zverevs, he can only dream about 5, let alone 10.
 
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joohan said:
Nope. If Zod wasn't uber nervous, he wouldn't have any yet. He does have the game but his head is not there yet. Unless he can bring the level he's capable of when playing Djoko, Rafa into finals against Zverevs, he can only dream about 5, let alone 10.
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Except now he has one so he should loosen up a lot.
 
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Well he's got 2 years (3 tops) to do it in, after which he will be in decline and the younger ones will take over. Unfortunately Thiem is not on the same level as the Big 3, were even when post-prime, at 70-80% are still better than the field. Thiem at 75% peak level will be struggling to break into the top 50.
 
Aussie Darcy

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That's a real hot take. I mean I know the men's tour is in dire straits without the big 3 but 5-10 slams? That's at minimum Sharapova territory and more than Agassi and Lendl.
 
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Thiem will win at least 5-10 grand slams
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SonnyT said:
Thiem will beat Federer anywhere besides Wimbledon, but admittedly that's not a hard ask right now. He beat Nadal the last time they met at Slam, playing the big points much better, hence winning all 3 tiebreaks! Oh, he beat Novak twice at RG! To me, that's plenty evidence he's up to the job.

He just needs equal rest, instead of having no rest days, while his fellow Slam finalist has 2 rest days out of last 4, as happened at '19 RG.
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The point is, in a few years Thiem will be an old man himself who will be beaten up by guys younger than him, like he’s beating the old Big 3. And he doesn’t own the field like any of Big 3 own theirs
 
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Considering he's 27, it's highly doubtful. Nadal won first slam at 18, Djoker won first slam age 20, Fed won first slam age 21.
 
FatHead250

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Dont see him winning regularly players like Tsitsipas Zverev Berettini. They are both similar talent level to thiem
 
uscwang

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Zverev once said he would be fine if he wins half of what Novak has.

I would like to see if Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev can win half of what Novak wins FROM NOW ON.
 
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uscwang said:
Zverev once said he would be fine if he wins half of what Novak has.

I would like to see if Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev can win half of what Novak wins FROM NOW ON.
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There is just no way any of the people mentioned accomplish half as much as Djokovic career wise. The talent gap is just so plain huge to see. Not to mention the mental side, the dedication etc. A Djokovic level player doesn’t come around that often. I suspect someone half as good as Djokovic probably hasn’t turned pro yet. As if there is someone so good, I have yet to see it
 
JohanLiebert

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Waterwater said:
Are you just going to say Thiem can do something only Big 3 have done? That’s just stupid
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Precedents hold limited value with time. Sampras had won all 14 slams by 30. Look at the short period, in which he has been surpassed by 3 people. And look at Djokovic's tally after 30.

Edit: Moreover, the point being; winning 5+ slams for Thiem now, is no longer going to be an unanticipated tennis anomaly. Comparing those 3 is also not relevant in this case. They have added this much to their tally by competing with each other. Thiem is as good as the field, he will compete with if not better.
 
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JohanLiebert

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ravenousRublev said:
Thiem is clearly nowhere near that level. He will be very competitive maybe win 1 slam per year but wont dominate the tour.
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At the moment, Thiem is at their level roughly. He has defeated Djok at RG; Nadal at AO, and almost battered Djoko at AO. Anyway, Thiem doesn't have to be at "their level" to win 5-10 more slams. He has to be at the level of the field, that he will compete with. He is the most consistent player of his gen. Fedalovic could have individually added many more slams, in the absence of the other two. Thiem doesn't have that to deal with. He is more consistent than the rest, and can do it, if he remains fit.
 
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JohanLiebert said:
Precedents hold limited value with time. Sampras had won all 14 slams by 30. Look at the short period, in which he has been surpassed by 3 people. And look at Djokovic's tally after 30.

Edit: Moreover, the point being; winning 5+ slams for Thiem now, is no longer going to be an unanticipated tennis anomaly. Comparing those 3 is also not relevant in this case. They have added this much to their tally by competing with each other. Thiem is as good as the field, he will compete with if not better.
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That the Big 3 can do it doesn’t mean everyone after them can do it. The Big 3 could do something Sampras couldn’t do because they are all better than him. Thiem can’t do it because he’s worse than any of them, way worse
 
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Thiem didn't peak yet. But Djokodal won't retire for the next 5 years, that is very tough competition. After that, he will have the bagage to beat anyone.
 
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JohanLiebert said:
At the moment, Thiem is at their level roughly. He has defeated Djok at RG; Nadal at AO, and almost battered Djoko at AO. Anyway, Thiem doesn't have to be at "their level" to win 5-10 more slams. He has to be at the level of the field, that he will compete with. He is the most consistent player of his gen. Fedalovic could have individually added many more slams, in the absence of the other two. Thiem doesn't have that to deal with. He is more consistent than the rest, and can do it, if he remains fit.
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Just no. Thiem will be an old man himself in 3 years and not only he will have to compete with the Big 3 who he has yet to surpass. He will have to compete with younger players who will be in their prime and who he has never owned. Not to mention every player will get a big injury at some point in his career. No one has escaped it. So your point of him staying fit past 30 years of age is a big if. No one stays fit for whole career. I doubt Thiem will be the first one
 
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Jonesy said:
Thiem didn't peak yet. But Djokodal won't retire for the next 5 years, that is very tough competition. After that, he will have the bagage to beat anyone.
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Thiem himself will be near retirement in 5 years. Look at Murray. Look at Cilic or JMDP. Things get much tougher after 30 years of age as a high level athlete
 
daggerman

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When Novak and Nadal are no longer slam contenders, they'll be replaced by other players who, by that point, will be better than Thiem.
 
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JohanLiebert said:
Once Djokovic stops dominating, Thiem will be the first to capitalise. Unlike the others, he will have the least likelihood of being knocked out in the first few rounds of tournaments. He will be making it deep everywhere. As Ivan Lendl noted recently, "33 is the new 27 in tennis". Regardless, Thiem might play at this level for at least the next 5-8 years. He is already the next king of clay. After Nadal, he might own RG. Even now, he is the guy for Djokovic and Nadal to beat on HC (case in point being the 2020 AO apart from other instances). Moreover, he is going to be the next consistent guy. The likes of Zverev, Tsitsipas, Medvedev might challenge him—every now and then, however, Thiem will be the guy who will be making it the furthest in each tournament on average.
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Nope. Thiem has a window right now because of Zverev’s 2nd serve folly. The rest of NextGen will soon swamp him. Tim would have to win 4 in a row right now which is possible, but not probable.
 
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