Prince Provides NO Instructions for Phantom. Need Help!

I'm new to stringing and have been able to string my Prince Warrior 100 without problems with my Klippermate.

However, with the Phantom 100, Prince offers no stringing instructions. All I see on TW is:

16 Mains / 18 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,8H
One Piece
No Shared Holes

What does 8H mean?
 

kkm

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8H means that when stringing the mains you skip the 8th hole at the top. 8T means that when stringing the mains you skip the 8th hole at the bottom.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
KM uses T=Tip and B=Throat; The T/H combo used by everyone else uses T=Throat and H=Tip. Tie offs for mains and crosses are similar to the Prince Tour 100 [16x18].
 
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am1899

Legend
Should be the same pattern as the EXO3 Tour 16x18. From Klippermate site:

Skip: 8T (top / hoop), 8B (throat)
Tie off Mains: 7T
Start Crosses: 8T
Starting Knot: 9T
Bottom Cross tie off: 7B

It’s important that you start the crosses on the correct side (right or left) of the racquet. If you start on the wrong side, you will see that it will be impossible to finish. If you tie your starting knot in the grommet that is labeled as such, you shouldn’t have a problem. If you string it 1pc, you will have to observe the “short side” and “long side” instructions on the racquet - assuming Prince still paints those instructions on their newer models.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
If Prince is being cheap and do not print SS or LS, the side with the Starting Knot should be the Long Side because mains end at the tip. FWIW, I don't believe they would be THAT CHEAP since it means you could be wrong 50% of the time if you do not pay attention to what is on the frame. With the weird stuff that been going on the last 3-5 years, I have paid attention to markings on frames because even Babolats and Dunlops had asymmetric stringing.
 
Should be the same pattern as the EXO3 Tour 16x18. From Klippermate site:

Skip: 8T (top / hoop), 8B (throat)
Tie off Mains: 7T
Start Crosses: 8T
Starting Knot: 9T
Bottom Cross tie off: 7B

It’s important that you start the crosses on the correct side (right or left) of the racquet. If you start on the wrong side, you will see that it will be impossible to finish. If you tie your starting knot in the grommet that is labeled as such, you shouldn’t have a problem. If you string it 1pc, you will have to observe the “short side” and “long side” instructions on the racquet - assuming Prince still paints those instructions on their newer models.

Thanks all for the clarification. Does this mean I can string the Phantom in 2 pieces instead of one? If so, why does TW say it's a 1-piece?
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Because the instructions make it is a natural for a one piece and 2 knots. Only time I would do 2 piece on 'Naturals' would be if they're hybrids. I am almost certain if TW was to string this frame up, they would do it 1 piece unless it was a hybrid request. Noticed that about TW. ;)
 
Because the instructions make it is a natural for a one piece and 2 knots. Only time I would do 2 piece on 'Naturals' would be if they're hybrids. I am almost certain if TW was to string this frame up, they would do it 1 piece unless it was a hybrid request. Noticed that about TW. ;)

Interesting, I'm learning. Now one question if I want to string this one-piece:

I start at the middle with the mains, and work my way out to the sides. When I reach the last main on each side, I'd be left with two long pieces of string on either side. How are those then strung in the crosses? That's where 1-piece confuses me.
 

MAX PLY

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Interesting, I'm learning. Now one question if I want to string this one-piece:

I start at the middle with the mains, and work my way out to the sides. When I reach the last main on each side, I'd be left with two long pieces of string on either side. How are those then strung in the crosses? That's where 1-piece confuses me.

If you string one piece, you leave one end of the only string long enough to complete half the mains--the other end will be long enough to string the other half of the mains and the crosses. There are some decent videos on how to do a one-piece, including ATW patterns to ensure you start the crosses at the top.
 
If you string one piece, you leave one end of the only string long enough to complete half the mains--the other end will be long enough to string the other half of the mains and the crosses. There are some decent videos on how to do a one-piece, including ATW patterns to ensure you start the crosses at the top.

I will look into it, thanks.
 

gmatheis

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8H means that when stringing the mains you skip the 8th hole at the top. 8T means that when stringing the mains you skip the 8th hole at the bottom.
KM uses T=Tip and B=Throat; The T/H combo used by everyone else uses T=Throat and H=Tip. Tie offs for mains and crosses are similar to the Prince Tour 100 [16x18].

This is almost more confusing

If T/H is used it's (T)hroat / (H)ead
if B/T is used it's (B)ottom / (T)op
 
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gmatheis

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If you string one piece, you leave one end of the only string long enough to complete half the mains--the other end will be long enough to string the other half of the mains and the crosses. There are some decent videos on how to do a one-piece, including ATW patterns to ensure you start the crosses at the top.

Stringing one piece you start with about 10 feet on one side and 30 feet on the other side for the mains.
 

KickVicious

Semi-Pro
Hey guys/gals: following up on this thread, has anyone strung up a 93P? Grommet holes are pretty small - does anyone now 1) if the mains end at the head or the throat and 2) where are the tie off's for each. Thanks all. - KV
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Hey guys/gals: following up on this thread, has anyone strung up a 93P? Grommet holes are pretty small - does anyone now 1) if the mains end at the head or the throat and 2) where are the tie off's for each. Thanks all. - KV
I have never strung one but I looked at a picture. Mains start at head, skip 8&10H&T, tie off at 9T, no shared holes, and crosses tie at 7H&T.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Should be similar to the Tour 100P Textreme on the KM site. There are 8 holes thru the throat - start central mains at the tip. TW posted

18 Mains / 20 Crosses; Mains skip: 8T,10T,8H,10H; One Piece; No Shared Holes [T/H=Throat/Hoop]

Mains tie off at 9 top if 2 piece. 1st cross is 8 top. X tie offs are 7 top and 9 bottom. Pay attention to any markings on the frame. TW says 1 piece because you can go directly from last main to 1st cross at top.
 
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Irvin

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Should be similar to the Tour 100P Textreme on the KM site. There are 8 holes thru the throat - start mains at the tip. TW posted

18 Mains / 20 Crosses; Mains skip: 8T,10T,8H,10H; One Piece; No Shared Holes [T/H=Throat/Hoop]

Mains tie off at 9 top if 2 piece. 1st cross is 8 top. X tie offs are 7 top and 9 bottom. Pay attention to any markings on the frame. TW says 1 piece because you can go directly from last main to 1st cross at top.
Better rethink that. It’s an 18x20 racket so there are 9 mains per side. If you start on top you will end at the throat.

@TW Staff better check your pattern or you’ll have people stringing the racket bottom up. Is that ok on a Prince racket? Or are you suggesting an ATW pattern?
 

KickVicious

Semi-Pro
Better rethink that. It’s an 18x20 racket so there are 9 mains per side. If you start on top you will end at the throat.

@TW Staff better check your pattern or you’ll have people stringing the racket bottom up. Is that ok on a Prince racket? Or are you suggesting an ATW pattern?

When I first started playing again 3-4 years ago I had a highly reputable local stringer do my jobs for me. He did my new PCG 100’s using a normal 1 piece job, starting the crosses from the top. Needless to say, that frame went “dead” much sooner than it should have bc of all the stress that method puts on the frame. I bought my own stringer and never went back. No problems since.


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Irvin

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Should be similar to the Tour 100P Textreme on the KM site
The Tour 100P starts in the throat not the head like the 93T does.

@TW Staff because the mains on this racket you could string it 1piece but you suggest 2 piece. Are you sure you don’t have thiese patterns flipped?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
When I first started playing again 3-4 years ago I had a highly reputable local stringer do my jobs for me. He did my new PCG 100’s using a normal 1 piece job, starting the crosses from the top. Needless to say, that frame went “dead” much sooner than it should have bc of all the stress that method puts on the frame. I bought my own stringer and never went back. No problems since.


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Your racket is a 16x18 racket. How does starting the crosses at the top put too much stress on the frame?
 

KickVicious

Semi-Pro
When I first started playing again 3-4 years ago I had a highly reputable local stringer do my jobs for me. He did my new PCG 100’s using a normal 1 piece job, starting the crosses from the top. Needless to say, that frame went “dead” much sooner than it should have bc of all the stress that method puts on the frame. I bought my own stringer and never went back. No problems since.


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Sorry, I meant starting the crosses from the bottom and putting all the stress at the top of the frame instead of starting the crosses from the top.
 

KickVicious

Semi-Pro
@KickVicious when I said your racket is 16x18 I meant the PCG 100

Understood. That’s the frame I was talking about. The guy I used to go to strung it one piece w/ crosses starting from the bottom. That frame went considerably dead long before it should have. The others I strung either 2 piece or myself and no problems.


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Irvin

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Understood. That’s the frame I was talking about. The guy I used to go to strung it one piece w/ crosses starting from the bottom. That frame went considerably dead long before it should have. The others I strung either 2 piece or myself and no problems.


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That racket I would not ever string one piece because 1) I don't like bottom up crosses and 2) with rackets that skip 8H&T I don't like ATW patterns. I would always string it 2 piece and I would use a Yonex loop on the mains since they tie off at 6T.
 

KickVicious

Semi-Pro
That racket I would not ever string one piece because 1) I don't like bottom up crosses and 2) with rackets that skip 8H&T I don't like ATW patterns. I would always string it 2 piece and I would use a Yonex loop on the mains since they tie off at 6T.

Many thanks Irvin et al. I’m in business. Now 2 more to go...
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Yamin

Hall of Fame
Should be the same pattern as the EXO3 Tour 16x18. From Klippermate site:

Skip: 8T (top / hoop), 8B (throat)
Tie off Mains: 7T
Start Crosses: 8T
Starting Knot: 9T
Bottom Cross tie off: 7B

It’s important that you start the crosses on the correct side (right or left) of the racquet. If you start on the wrong side, you will see that it will be impossible to finish. If you tie your starting knot in the grommet that is labeled as such, you shouldn’t have a problem. If you string it 1pc, you will have to observe the “short side” and “long side” instructions on the racquet - assuming Prince still paints those instructions on their newer models.

Sorry to bump an old thread, but was this accurate for the Phantom 100? Also has anyone found over 40 ft of string is needed (using a drop weight)? Klippermate has some rackets going over 40 feet needed if poly in the same head size and string pattern. Is there anywhere else Prince stringing instructions can be found aside from Klippermate?
 

Wes

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Sorry to bump an old thread, but was this accurate for the Phantom 100? Also has anyone found over 40 ft of string is needed (using a drop weight)? Klippermate has some rackets going over 40 feet needed if poly in the same head size and string pattern. Is there anywhere else Prince stringing instructions can be found aside from Klippermate?

@Yamin,

If the Phantom 100 (O-Ports) is what you're going to be stringing, then these 2 videos should help you quite a bit.
Even though I'm stringing an O3 Tour MP (100" 16x18) in the video, don't let that throw you off. The Phantom 100 gets strung the exact same way as the O3 Tour MP.
In fact, it's fair to say that the Phantom 100 was/is based off of the O3 Tour MP.

You will not need more than 40' of string (even on a drop-weight). It's likely that you will need a fair bit less than 40'.
Are you going to be cutting string from a reel, or do you have a set/pack that you're planning to use?

Exactly how much string you'll need depends on a few factors.
Exactly which machine are you going to be using?
Exactly which string(s) are you going to be using?

In case you need the info...
The tie-offs for the Phantom 100 are 7Head for the mains, 9Head for the top cross, and 7Throat for the bottom cross. The skips are 8H and 8T.


 

Yamin

Hall of Fame
@Yamin,

If the Phantom 100 (O-Ports) is what you're going to be stringing, then these 2 videos should help you quite a bit.
Even though I'm stringing an O3 Tour MP (100" 16x18) in the video, don't let that throw you off. The Phantom 100 gets strung the exact same way as the O3 Tour MP.
In fact, it's fair to say that the Phantom 100 was/is based off of the O3 Tour MP.

You will not need more than 40' of string (even on a drop-weight). It's likely that you will need a fair bit less than 40'.
Are you going to be cutting string from a reel, or do you have a set/pack that you're planning to use?

Exactly how much string you'll need depends on a few factors.
Exactly which machine are you going to be using?
Exactly which string(s) are you going to be using?

In case you need the info...
The tie-offs for the Phantom 100 are 7Head for the mains, 9Head for the top cross, and 7Throat for the bottom cross. The skips are 8H and 8T.



Thank you very much for the detailed response. Somehow lost this thread and wasn't getting notifications for it. I'm just considering for a Poly on a Gamma progression 2. I am stringing from a pack.
 
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Irvin

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Thank you very much for the detailed response. Somehow lost this thread and wasn't getting notifications for it. I'm just considering for a Poly on a Gamma precision 2. I am stringing from a pack.
Assuming you meant a Gamma Progression II, you should be able to string a Prince Phantom 100 with a single set of poly string using either 1 piece or 2 piece with a single set. I suggest you do not cut the set in half but use a short side long enough to reach the gripper (about 10.5 feet.) If you want to string 2 piece after tying off the long side what you cut off will be enough to string the crosses especially if you use a starting knot.

move one support to the end of the turntable bar. Then mount the racket with the throat on that lower support. This will move the turntable pivot high on the racket. If the pivot is above the first cross that goes through 2 ports you won’t have any issue stringing all crosses from top to bottom.

lowering the racket on the machine will mean for the short side you need a longer string to reach the gripper so be careful. On the bottom cross though you won’t need as much string so it’s a wash. If you have no issues stringing ported rackets you can just string it the way you normally do.
 
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loosegroove

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I suggest you do not cut the set in half but use a short side long enough to reach the gripper (about 10.5 feet.) If you want to string 2 piece after tying off the long side what you cut off will be enough to string the crosses...

No need. You can string the Phantom with under 38ft of string.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Just cut the set in half and string the sucker two-piece! No need for adjusting the machine for the current phase of the moon, etc. :)
Cutting a set of poly in half and trying to string the mains on a mid+ 18 main racket with a Gamma Progression II is a bad idea unless you have a starting clamp to bridge the last mains. If the Phantom 100 is as 16 main racket you may be ok. If the racket does not have any ports on the side there is no need for adjusted the position of the racket.
 
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Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Just cut the set in half and string the sucker two-piece! No need for adjusting the machine for the current phase of the moon, etc. :)
@Irvin - I repeat, just cut the set in half and string the sucker. It ain't rocket science! We're not writing War & Peace, we're using crayons on a coloring book.

The racket ain't 18 X 20, it's 16 X 18 as clearly stated by the OP. Why you'd want to turn this into a task akin to the Manhattan Project is....well SOP for you. :)

Don Meredith said:
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
 
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Irvin

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@Irvin - I repeat, just cut the set in half and string the sucker. It ain't rocket science! We're not writing War & Peace, we're using crayons on a coloring book.

The racket ain't 18 X 20, it's 16 X 18 as clearly stated by the OP. Why you'd want to turn this into a task akin to the Manhattan Project is....well SOP for you. :)
I was not replying to the OP from 2 years ago. I‘m assuming he got his racket strung. I was replying to to a more recent post. This person did not identify which Phantom racket he was stringing he just said it was a Phantom 100. Some are 16 main some are 18 main. Some have O ports some don’t. Reading is fundamental.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@Irvin point taken, but likewise @loosegroove stated that the frame could be strung with less than 38 feet of string. When reading that, it became clear to me that cutting the set in half was a safe bet. My point is and remains: why over complicate what is at its heart a simple process? @Yamin is clearly looking for some direction, why confuse or obfuscate what is a simple process especially for someone new?
 

Irvin

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@Irvin point taken, but likewise @loosegroove stated that the frame could be strung with less than 38 feet of string. When reading that, it became clear to me that cutting the set in half was a safe bet. My point is and remains: why over complicate what is at its heart a simple process? @Yamin is clearly looking for some direction, why confuse or obfuscate what is a simple process especially for someone new?
You’re assuming loosegrove was correct and he very well could be. @Yamin may find it impossible to string an 18 main mid+ Racket with a half set of ‘poly’ On a Progression II. OTOH he may be ok with only 1/2 set. I think it’s best not knowing how much string you need to give yourself a margin of error.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@Irvin and you're assuming that it's an 18 main racket. Personally, I haven't had an problem halving a set of string and stringing an 18 main frame. Prince makes the Phantom in one version of 18 X 20, the 93P. IART indicates that the length of string needed for the mains is twenty (20) feet. For a 93 square inch frame, the only 18 main Prince makes in this model, half a set of string is sufficient. Ergo, anyone would be safe in cutting a standard set of 40' in half.
 

struggle

Legend
I always "halve" my sets by adjusting my halve point by 6 inches, which makes the longer piece one foot longer (for the mains)
than the shorter piece for the crosses..

Hasn't failed me yet, no matter the pattern. Not saying i haven't ever made mistakes or had to bridge, but this method works well
for me.

I always string 2 piece, cause I'm like that, i don't like working with that much string.
 

Irvin

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^^ sage advice, but you're not stringing on a Gamma Progression II which sometimes requires a little more string because of the length of string needed to reach the rotary gripper. A rotary gripper can require as much as 18" of string to be grip the string. Saving 18' for one main and the top gcross by not cutting the string in half and using a starting knot can save you about 3' of string in a set. I would rather not cut the set first as opposed to wasting a set of string. Better safe than sorry.

EDIT: If you needed 38' of string and wasted 3' on 1 main and and top cross from a 40' set of string you end up 1 foot short.
 
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Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@struggle you either agree 100% or you're wrong, it's just that simple. Amen



It has been brought to my attention that Prince indeed make a 100 that is 18X20. However, halving the string should still be fine for stringing. To @Yamin my advice is the KISS method - Keep It Simple Stupid.
 
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loosegroove

Hall of Fame
EDIT: If you needed 38' of string and wasted 3' on 1 main and and top cross from a 40' set of string you end up 1 foot short.

Yeah, because of course when I said it only needs 38ft to string, I was just talking about the string actually in the finished racket, and not accounting for string required to tie knots and reach the tensioner, so that you could, ya know, actually string the racket ;)
 

struggle

Legend
I've yet to waste a set of string via this method. Yes, i've had to bridge, but it's fine. I don't care to string one piece
and have no compelling reason to do so.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, because of course when I said it only needs 38ft to string, I was just talking about the string actually in the finished racket, and not accounting for string required to tie knots and reach the tensioner, so that you could, ya know, actually string the racket ;)
Please don't confuse the issue with trivial facts!
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
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Yeah, because of course when I said it only needs 38ft to string, I was just talking about the string actually in the finished racket, and not accounting for string required to tie knots and reach the tensioner, so that you could, ya know, actually string the racket ;)
if you needed 38’ of string for a racket and 18” for each tie off it would be impossible to string that racket with a set. In that case you’ll need 44’ of string.
 

loosegroove

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I

if you needed 38’ of string for a racket and 18” for each tie off it would be impossible to string that racket with a set. In that case you’ll need 44’ of string.

Bingo! My point being that when I stated 38 feet, that included "wasting" 18 inches on EVERY tie off.
 

loosegroove

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@struggle you either agree 100% or you're wrong, it's just that simple. Amen



It has been brought to my attention that Prince indeed make a 100 that is 18X20. However, halving the string should still be fine for stringing. To @Yamin my advice is the KISS method - Keep It Simple Stupid.

Don't worry, your inital stance was correct Yamin was speaking of the Prince Phantom 100, which is only 16x18. The Phantom Pro 100 came in 18x20 as does the new Phantom 100x. And I know for sure he was speaking of the Phantom 100 from another thread.
 
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loosegroove

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Okay, so my post was deleted. If anyone, particularly @Irvin, thought I was truly trying to be inflammatory, then my apologies. The term I used was actually a reference to some ridiculous thread on here where we were disccusing the proper way to refer to a part of a stringing machine.
 
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