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We can only take so much. Let’s not tempt fateI’d laugh if Zverev took Nadal out, then lost to Djokovic in the final . I think this place would go up in flames.
We can only take so much. Let’s not tempt fateI’d laugh if Zverev took Nadal out, then lost to Djokovic in the final . I think this place would go up in flames.
Read the OP, he writes everything correctly. Even before that Zverev was troubling Nadal a lot, including in a slam meeting in AO 2017. This is truly a nightmare matchup.
There is no such thing as "match-up". Zverev has defeated Nadal in the last 3 meetings because 2 of them were on indoor hard (Nadal's worst condition) and the other one in Madrid (Nadal's worst clay toournament).
The last time Zverev faced Nadal in favorable conditions for the Spaniard (outdoor slow clay with big court dimensions), Nadal destroyed him.
OP wrote about that as well. It doesn't matter how Zverev plays against others. He lost to Ivashka last week after failing to serve for the match. But when he met Nadal today he served it out without any problems. He just always plays his absolute best against Nadal.Zverev has shown mental strength with that epic USO final choke, two sets up and even served for it and still lost, and it was not like his opponent was playing great either. You think Zverev would not blink if he comes close to a historical feat in beating Rafa at RG, and being only one of three men to do it? I can see double fault city if he approached the finish line.
I’d laugh if Zverev took Nadal out, then lost to Djokovic in the final . I think this place would go up in flames.
Can't believe I even miss 2018 Nadal these days.It's was 2018 Nadal, which was much better. 2018 Nadal is underrated, he was also strong as 2017. We are talking about 35 years old 2021 Nadal.
And Zverev nearly beat Nadal in Rome 2018. He has figured how to play Nadal.
yeah , i so much agree with youCan't believe I even miss 2018 Nadal these days.
How is it flawed? Give me Safin’s, Djoker’s or Agassi’s BH over Wawa’s, Gasquet‘s or Fedr’s any day. And don‘t get me wrong, as I love the 1H-BH, especially that of the aforementioned...but we’re not talking about being aesthetically more pleasing here.The OHBH is objectively superior in all meaningful ways to the two handed. Your reasoning is flawed.
Nadal doesn't win by exploiting technical weakness. He wins because his deal with the ATP means he is guaranteed to be objectively greater in endurance than anyone else can be, until such time as a new chosen one emerges and gets the same freedom from monitoring.
Call me when he wins at least one set against Zverev on any surface. He can't do it for 3 years now. So stop writing about "insignificant" matches.Can’t believe what I’m reading...Nadal loses an insignificant match, and this place including his fans go on as though he’s going to lose RG. How many times has this happened (where is that Jerzy Janovic clip “how many times” when you need it) were he loses the odd FO tune-up event, then blasts everyone on PC court.
It is insignificant for Nadal, especially Madrid.Call me when he wins at least one set against Zverev on any surface. He can't do it for 3 years now. So stop writing about "insignificant" matches.
When you can't win a set against your opponent for 3 years it IS significant. Zverev just owns the matchup.It is insignificant for Nadal, especially Madrid.
Ok. Come back to me on 13th June.When you can't win a set against your opponent for 3 years it IS significant. Zverev just owns the matchup.
That is probably one of the worst hot takes you can take when it comes to tennis lol. Tennis is all about matchups. That’s what makes the sport so interesting.There is no such thing as "match-up". Zverev has defeated Nadal in the last 3 meetings because 2 of them were on indoor hard (Nadal's worst condition) and the other one in Madrid (Nadal's worst clay toournament).
The last time Zverev faced Nadal in favorable conditions for the Spaniard (outdoor slow clay with big court dimensions), Nadal destroyed him.
Interesting post from a person who TOTALLY ignores the obvious fact that Zverev owns the matchup against Nadal.That is probably one of the worst hot takes you can take when it comes to tennis lol. Tennis is all about matchups. That’s what makes the sport so interesting.
Matchups matter, but nothing matters against Rafa at RG. Djokovic matches up well against Rafa, but we all saw what happened last year.Interesting post from a person who TOTALLY ignores the obvious fact that Zverev owns the matchup against Nadal.
Right now Zverev is maybe even a tougher matchup than Djokovic. Even on clay Nadal can't win a set. I don't see why anything should change in RG. When Nadal was playing well he dominated in all clay tournaments. Now he is on a heavy decline, and is being totally owned by young players.Matchups matter, but nothing matters against Rafa at RG. Djokovic matches up well against Rafa, but we all saw what happened last year.
Right now Zverev is maybe even a tougher matchup than Djokovic. Even on clay Nadal can't win a set. I don't see why anything should change in RG. When Nadal was playing well he dominated in all clay tournaments. Now he is on a heavy decline, and is being totally owned by young players.
Yeah, keep making wrong predictions. You know Djokovic is a lock for RG this year, just as for the other slams, but you keep acting like it isn't the case.Naturally
Matchups matter, but nothing matters against Rafa at RG. Djokovic matches up well against Rafa, but we all saw what happened last year.
Yeah, keep making wrong predictions. You know Djokovic is a lock for RG this year, just as for the other slams, but you keep acting like it isn't the case.
So declined on clay that he won Madrid 2019, Rome 2020 and reached RG final last year. Also, young players have absolutely no idea how to play him in BO5. I don't care if Tsitsipas can win 2 sets against him if he loses the other sets 6-3 6-2 6-1 like a total mug. I'll not believe for a moment any of them can win 3 sets against Djokovic. Given that Nadal is now close to his 2015 form, yes, Djokovic looks like a lock.Here we go again with this bs. How is Djokovic a lock for RG when everybody and their mama can see he has declined on clay and is not the force he once was, not like RG was ever his best tournament. A number of players could beat him at RG if we are going by his recent form on clay. Djokovic's game is suited for faster surfaces now, not clay.
why you're not answering my qustion , thiem can beat djokoivc in RG , didn 't he 2017 and 2019 RG ?So declined on clay that he won Madrid 2019, Rome 2020 and reached RG final last year. Also, young players have absolutely no idea how to play him in BO5. I don't care if Tsitsipas can win 2 sets against him if he loses the other sets 6-3 6-2 6-1 like a total mug. I'll not believe for a moment any of them can win 3 sets against Djokovic. Given that Nadal is now close to his 2015 form, yes, Djokovic looks like a lock.
So declined on clay that he won Madrid 2019, Rome 2020 and reached RG final last year. Also. young players have absolutely no idea how to play him in BO5. I don't care if Tsitsipas can win 2 sets against him if he loses the other sets 6-3 6-2 6-1 like a total mug. I'll not believe for a moment any of them can win 3 sets against Djokovic. Given that Nadal is now close to his 2015 form, yes, Djokovic looks like a lock.
2017 doesn't tell us anything, Djokovic was terrible in that match. In 2019 Thiem won, but he was choking like crazy in the last 3 sets. It's a miracle he managed to win 2 of them given that. Do you trust him to win 3 sets against Djokovic again? For sure I don't. He maybe has the best chance, but it doesn't tell much.why you're not answering my qustion , thiem can beat djokoivc in RG , didn 't he 2017 and 2019 RG ?
2020 AO final , thiem almost beat novak djokovic2017 doesn't tell us anything, Djokovic was terrible in that match. In 2019 Thiem won, but he was choking like crazy in the last 3 sets. It's a miracle he managed to win 2 of them given that. Do you trust him to win 3 sets against Djokovic again? For sure I don't. He maybe has the best chance, but it doesn't tell much.
As if Nadal was any better in this clay season. Call me when he finally wins at least one set against Zverev, on any surface. Nadal looks done. Djokovic on the other hand is for sure not done, as he already won a slam this year. Who cares about him losing in MC or Belgrade after that? In BO5 nobody can beat Djokovic in the current tour, this is what matters.Madrid 2019 was 2 years ago dude. We're in 2021, at least the rest of us. Yea he looked good in RG 2020 and then had nothing left for the final. I can think of at least 4 players that could beat Djokovic at RG based on what I have seen of him this clay season. Your reverse jinxing is so freaking annoying and comical at this point if you believe the bs you write.
strongrule , so you think wimbledon is lock for novak djokovic also ?As if Nadal was any better in this clay season. Call me when he finally wins at least one set against Zverev, on any surface. Nadal looks done. Djokovic on the other hand is for sure not done, as he already won a slam this year. Who cares about him losing in MC or Belgrade after that? In BO5 nobody can beat Djokovic in the current tour, this is what matters.
As if Nadal was any better in this clay season. Call me when he finally wins at least one set against Zverev, on any surface. Nadal looks done. Djokovic on the other hand is for sure not done, as he already won a slam this year. Who cares about him losing in MC or Belgrade after that? In BO5 nobody can beat Djokovic in the current tour, this is what matters.
Federer to win? He will be more evolved than ever with more experience and practice.One thing is for sure..... no matter who wins the FO, TTW Is going up in flames lol, the only question is who's holding the torches.
Matchup dynamics change according to surface. Surfaces preferences > matchup dynamics. Zverev is NOT the favorite against Nadal at RG, whereas I would favor Zverev over Nadal both at the AO and WB, and roughly 50-50 at the USO.That is probably one of the worst hot takes you can take when it comes to tennis lol. Tennis is all about matchups. That’s what makes the sport so interesting.
He's got it, just needs confidence and will. I didn't watch today's match, but he was crushing the ball against Nishikori.If Zverev had a bigger FH like Soderling, I would be inclined to agree.
He doesn't hit with consistent power like Soderling.He's got it, just needs confidence and will. I didn't watch today's match, but he was crushing the ball against Nishikori.
And against Federer. Zverev also isn't the classic choker. He implodes from time to time, but contrary to "classic" chokes this doesn't have much to do with not being able to handle a big match occasion. It can happen against anyone, and on another day he can serve home a match against a Big 3 player as if he was Sampras.Yes, somehow Zverev always brings his best against Nadal. He can be a total mug against others, but against Nadal he somehow always serves perfectly.
Novak will never win another RG title (unless Nadal withdraws injured from the tournament as in 2016).Don't write off Novak.
Keep dreaming.Zverev can exhaust Nadal in a QF and Djokovic can finish him in the SF.
Against Fed it's expected considering he is 16 years younger than the Swiss LOL.And against Federer. Zverev also isn't the classic choker. He implodes from time to time, but contrary to "classic" chokes this doesn't have much to do with not being able to handle a big match occasion. It can happen against anyone, and on another day he can serve home a match against a Big 3 player as if he was Sampras.
Keep dreaming.
Let Zverev prove himself at RG for a change since he's suffered some pretty nasty and bad defeats.
Old Verdasco in 1R in 2017
Demolitions at the hands of Thiem and Novak in 2018 and 2019
Loss to teenage Sinner in 2020.
Ban this person for being libellous and risking the entire site.The OHBH is objectively superior in all meaningful ways to the two handed. Your reasoning is flawed.
Nadal doesn't win by exploiting technical weakness. He wins because his deal with the ATP means he is guaranteed to be objectively greater in endurance than anyone else can be, until such time as a new chosen one emerges and gets the same freedom from monitoring.
Not really. Its too late nowI’d laugh if Zverev took Nadal out, then lost to Djokovic in the final . I think this place would go up in flames.
The lack of knowledge of some on this thread is embarrassing. Conditions in Madrid are totally different to RG and big servers do much better in Madrid.It'll be like this basically: