Agassi is better at YEC and has 6 more masters but Nadal has a extra slam.Agassi. Off clay also includes indoors, and we know how Nadal stacks up there to other ATGs. Agassi has a WTF win to his name, along with Paris Indoors.
Overall off clay?Nadal on grass Agassi on HC
Agassi is better at YEC and has 6 more masters but Nadal has a extra slam.
This kinda reminds of the Djokovic vs Nadal who is greater debate.
You set the record straight on 04-06 vs 14-16 as well but now the comments have been blockedNadal is clear on grass (2 titles, 3 finals, 2 semis vs 1 title, 1 final, 2 semis), they split the hard court slams, and Agassi is clear on indoor hard (1 title and 3 Fs vs 2 Fs). Agassi possibly has a better M1000 resumé too but Nadal has superior overall outdoor win %
basically anyone not voting “by a bit” or “even” is being cheeky
NooooooYou set the record straight on 04-06 vs 14-16 as well but now the comments have been blocked
Nadal. Double the Uso is all you need to know as in Agassis day the USO was the main HC event which meant the field was stronger there which is why he only won twice.Agassi is better at YEC and has 6 more masters but Nadal has a extra slam.
This kinda reminds of the Djokovic vs Nadal who is greater debate.
Indoors tennis is utterly irrelevant anyway. Nobody cares one bit about the indoor season in truth.The indoor big title tally is Agassi 4 (1 masters cup, 2 Paris, 1 Madrid) vs Nadal 1 (1 Madrid)
Rafa has 5 additional finals (1 madrid, 2 paris and 2 WTF) and Agassi 2 (TMC)
the gulf is not so big actually, although Andre clearly leads particularly if you include smaller events that Rafa kinda neglected
You have to consider AO as well.Nadal. Double the Uso is all you need to know as in Agassis day the USO was the main HC event which meant the field was stronger there which is why he only won twice.
Nadal also has double the wimbledons.
Anyone saying different is just bitter towards Nadal. Nadals resume off clay is ATG level and he has the same Majors as Agassis whole career number and more than Mcenroe. Add clay into the mix, well it is why Nadal is undisputed GOAT albeit Federer I think is very close.
It is what it is.Noooooo
Agassi USO 01 or Nadal USO 13?Nadal has won more majors and imo had a higher peak than Agassi reached at all 3 non clay slams.
AO09 slightly above AO95
WIM08 > WIM92
US10 > US99
What’s wrong with this?Ban OP
If Nadal gets one more slam will you put him ahead?Here are all the big titles that you can win outside of clay.
AO, IW, Miami, Wimbledon, Canada, Cincinnati, USO, Madrid Indoors, Paris Indoors, WTF - Agassi won all of them, Nadal is lacking Miami, Paris Indoors and WTF.
It should not be hard to see who is the better player off clay, Agassi has shown he can win anywhere outside of clay, fast and slow outdoor hard, fast and slow indoor hard, and fast grass. (Though Nadal didn't have a chance to play on fast grass to show he can do it also.)
Nadal will be seen as greater, as his slam count is higher overall, but off clay record as a whole across the season is lacking. - He is 0-8 in finals from Miami-Paris Indoors-WTF combined.
If Nadal gets one more slam will you put him ahead?
Agassi
better on HC outdoors. agassi clearly higher peak and prime at AO. USO is close.
better on HC indoors. again, agassi with higher peak and prime indoors.
grass - Nadal had his luck with consistent higher bouncing grass. Granted, his prime/peak on 2000s grass is better than agassi's on older grass.
Agassi
better on HC outdoors. agassi clearly higher peak and prime at AO. USO is close.
better on HC indoors. again, agassi with higher peak and prime indoors.
grass - Nadal had his luck with consistent higher bouncing grass. Granted, his prime/peak on 2000s grass is better than agassi's on older grass.
Think it is close at the least.I like Andre, but the answer to this question is clearly Nadal - and it's not even close.
GOAT avatar.
Think it is close at the least.
Wasn’t thinking H2H. Anyway even so hard disagree considering the trouble Agassi gave great players like Roger and Pete even in non clay matches.Come on.
If you could somehow teleport the late 2000s/early 2010s version of Rafa onto a hard-court in the 90s, against Andre, then it's not really going to be particularly close.
Who do you think had tougher competition overall off clay?Agassi
better on HC outdoors. agassi clearly higher peak and prime at AO. USO is close.
better on HC indoors. again, agassi with higher peak and prime indoors.
grass - Nadal had his luck with consistent higher bouncing grass. Granted, his prime/peak on 2000s grass is better than agassi's on older grass.
GOAT avatar.
As far as the games go, Ms. Pac man is the real GOAT though, soooo fun.
Wasn’t thinking H2H. Anyway even so hard disagree considering the trouble Agassi gave great players like Roger and Pete even in non clay matches.
2004 | ATP Masters 1000 Cincinnati OH, U.S.A. | Outdoor Hard | SF | Andre Agassi | 75 672 762 |
2003 | London / Queen's Club Great Britain | Outdoor Grass | SF | Andy Roddick | 61 675 766 |
2003 | Houston TX, U.S.A. | Outdoor Clay | F | Andre Agassi | 36 63 64 |
2002 | San Jose CA, U.S.A. | Indoor Hard | SF | Andre Agassi | 63 61 |
2000 | Washington DC, U.S.A. | Outdoor Hard | QF | Andre Agassi | 64 64 |
2000 | ATP Masters 1000 Miami FL, U.S.A. | Outdoor Hard | R64 | Andre Agassi | 62 63 |
Q | I Heuberger | 0 | 3 | 6 | 6 | 3 | |||||||||||||
R Nadal | 6 | 6 | 4 | 2 | 6 | R Nadal | 0 | 3 | 4 | ||||||||||
A Roddick | 6 | 6 | 6 |
This is way off. Andre won 5 titles on indoor carpet alone. He won 46 HC titles in his career.Agassi is clear on indoor hard (1 title and 3 Fs vs 2 Fs).
Agassi
better on HC outdoors. agassi clearly higher peak and prime at AO. USO is close.
better on HC indoors. again, agassi with higher peak and prime indoors.
grass - Nadal had his luck with consistent higher bouncing grass. Granted, his prime/peak on 2000s grass is better than agassi's on older grass.
Agassi: ~60% vs top 10 on HC
Nadal: ~50% vs top 10 on HC
More depth which will be considered tougher by some but what about Djokovic and Fed?Agassi most likely seeing that it was a tougher era back in the 90s.
Be civil man. I have had a few threads axed recently.Of course you're entitled to your lousy opinion...
But that's absolute horse **** that Agassi clearly had a higher peak at the AO... no way was his 95AO (his best AO) clearly higher level than Nadal of AO09 no matter how salty of a Fed fan you are....
Just proving you're nothing but a dishonest propagandist...
The higher bouncing grass you speak of is what Federer won all of his WImbledon titles on... so yeah, he must've had his luck on it too then, so clearly Petros better than Fed on grass yeah? Or will you backpedal on that too?