That’s right. That in fact is how it’s defined on TRN. Don’t know if that definition is also used in other sports like football and basketball
Big 10 Tennis
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kvan
Semi-Pro
Was at the championship match yesterday. Close matches all around! Good tennis.
Collegetennisrules
Rookie
Still think Stanford is going to win it all?
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Oh yes definitely. with Goldstein leading, definitely
Collegetennisrules
Rookie
Are you serious?
Don't feed the troll.
vandre
Hall of Fame
it looks like the illini will be in the market for an assistant coach for their men's team...
Asse Stepping Away From Illinois Tennis - University of Illinois Athletics (fightingillini.com)
Asse Stepping Away From Illinois Tennis - University of Illinois Athletics (fightingillini.com)
vandre
Hall of Fame
Great “payback” win for the Buckeyes last night over the Wolverines. Thought it was going to be tough after UM win the dubs point, but the singles contingent just wouldn’t be denied. Can’t wait for Saturday Final Four. Hoping we get better “coverage” than the atrocious TennisOne garbage so far.
jrtennisparent
New User
Some news outlets are reporting that USC & UCLA may be leaving Pac-12 for Big 10. Possibly as early as 2024
I don't doubt it, but it is ridiculous.
Looking for a better pay day. If true says a lot about the PAC-10 and current state of high cost (FB & BB salaries) college sports.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
I heard rumblings and dismissed it, but apparently it's further along than I thought. Pete Thamel from ESPN says it's all but a done deal. I guess this improves Big 10 Tennis - assuming UCLA and USC can maintain in light of the news and the reality to recruits that they might have to play a dual match at Purdue in February.
www.espn.com
USC, UCLA approved to move to Big Ten in 2024
USC and UCLA were notified Thursday night that their application to join the Big Ten has been accepted.
Larry Duff
Legend
Yes tennis teams flying from LA on Tuesdays to play at Penn State will help their academics.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like schools/conferences have cared every since the big money started coming into college athletics. These wildly expansive conferences should probably really only be for football and men's bball only - which function as semi-pro or near-pro sports - but the other sports are along for the ride. It's not like many non-revenue sports teams don't already travel far. I went to Northwestern - the softball team makes multiple trips to the West Coast and South during the season. The tennis teams, golf teams also go West and South for non-conference matches and tournaments. I guess the difference now is that such travel is essentially mandated - it's not a choice.
I would not even include the basketball teams in these superconferences. Have about 3 elite football conferences and then have geographical conferences for everything else. The basketball teams will make money in geographical conferences. The real difference is in football, where geographical spread is desirable to expand TV interest. For every other sport, geographical spread is just expense and wasted time.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
I agree that would be best for all the sports - on paper. But, then how does money trickle down to other programs? If you assume schools will do right by their non-revenue sports, it might not be that hard. The school is going to get it's media money (via a contract that was based (90% or more on football) just as before and choose to do with it what it wants just like before, even if, for example, USC's football team is in the B1G Ten and it's tennis team is in the PAC. But I assume it won't be that easy.
jcgatennismom
Hall of Fame
@bluetrain4 and @ClarkC have you ever read the Knight Commission's recommendations on changing the D1 sports model? It recommends creating a separate organization for FBS football; currently FBS just runs the playoffs and takes the $ but NCAA is still in charge of and funds all regulatory functions for all sports. The proposed new organization would regulate FBS competition, generate and distribute FBS revenue, and oversee all FBS regulatory functions and rulemaking. Under this model, NCAA would still govern all other sports at FBS schools, football and all other sports at FCS schools, and all sports at d1 schools without football. https://www.knightcommission.org/wp...ndations-for-change-1220-022221-update-01.pdf Look at pages 19-21 for recommendations and benefits of proposed model. Of particular interest to nonrevenue sports and tennis, is point 6 on pg 21: "The new NCAA structure would allow greater scheduling flexibility and geographic cohesion by untethering competitive affiliations for other sports that are now tied primarily to football interests—providing cost efficiencies, reducing excessive athletic travel, and encouraging regional rivalries." Simply put the conference alignment could be different for FBS and all other sports. Basketball would drive NCAA geographical alignment which still can lead to excessive travel for nonrevenue sports but not as bad as football.
I read this when it 1st came out in Dec 2020 and searched for it today to read again after your posts. Some of it is dated as NIL is now a done deal but I think their idea of splitting NCAA into 2 orgs makes a lot of sense. Everybody wants to keep March Madness the same with any D1 team having a chance to make the Dance, and for fans to cheer on the MM Cinderella teams or root for their favorite powerhouses.
FYI "The Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics is an independent group with a legacy of leading reforms that strengthen the educational mission of college sports...The Commission is composed of current and former university presidents and chancellors, university trustees and former college athletes, as well as nationally-regarded thought leaders from organizations with ties to or involvement in higher education or college sports."
I read this when it 1st came out in Dec 2020 and searched for it today to read again after your posts. Some of it is dated as NIL is now a done deal but I think their idea of splitting NCAA into 2 orgs makes a lot of sense. Everybody wants to keep March Madness the same with any D1 team having a chance to make the Dance, and for fans to cheer on the MM Cinderella teams or root for their favorite powerhouses.
FYI "The Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics is an independent group with a legacy of leading reforms that strengthen the educational mission of college sports...The Commission is composed of current and former university presidents and chancellors, university trustees and former college athletes, as well as nationally-regarded thought leaders from organizations with ties to or involvement in higher education or college sports."
jcgatennismom
Hall of Fame
Totally unrelated to my prior post, but definitely related to Big10-Geoff Young, who was Minnesota coach for years before team was cut, has been hired as new Purdue coach. Maybe after a few years, Purdue can move from basement of Big10 to middle of the pack. Good luck to Geoff-always heard good things about him. Fellow basement dweller Mich State should do better with super recruit Ozan Colak. What happened to Indiana who was last place this year-didnt Indy used to be one of the middle teams?
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How would the trickle down be affected? Alabama et al. get football money and then trickle it down to other sports, the same as today.
jrtennisparent
New User
And Felix Corwin has retired from the tour and will be Young's asst coach. I think Corwin played for Young at Minnesota. Should be a great coaching team. Wonder if Brancatelli is now regretting his decision to transfer to TN (where he is unlikely ever to play lineup)
Larry Duff
Legend
Indiana men have gone backwards for a while. Promising hire has not done anything but he is very well liked by admin as a person so.........
Sorry wrong quote!
Agree that makes too much sense so probably has no chance of happening.
There's also a good chance that schools end up paying athletes directly instead of using the NIL charade. If that happens then the big TV money probably goes towards that and the other sports move to a club sport model. Maybe some women's sports survive to meet Title IX requirements.
The chairs are being moved around on the deck of the titanic. Might take 2-5 years to sink or be blown up, but just watch. This is bad news. In the meantime I blame CA.
collegetennisisthebest
Semi-Pro
Illinois might have another bleak year
Yeah, had noticed his absence from the roster a while ago. Was hoping is was just the usual messy job done by the web admins. Oh well. Seat is gonna warm up for Dancer.
vandre
Hall of Fame
it sure seems like "international recruiting" is the theme this year. what do you all think of the roster? i don't see anyone on the roster who is automatically going to unseat hunter heck at 1. there are 3 five star underclassmen (mroz, bowers and guzauskas). mroz was injured last year so he's an unknown. i haven't seen much of bowers on court but he seems like a nice young man. horve, meister and petrov are still here. debru, miyoshi and okonkwo have been added. i'm looking forward to hopefully seeing more of ozolins this year. hopefully, the injuries are a thing of the past. i don't remember seeing as many injured tennis players on the same team as i saw last year...
optimaltennis
Rookie
Pretty sure Ozolins had eligibility issues last year. Him, Okonkwo, and Heck should be your top 3 this year. After that, it is anybody's guess. This team could sneak into the NCAA tournament (35-40 ITA ranking), but unlikely to challenge Ohio State or Michigan for Big Ten title. A good year would be topping Northwestern and finished 3rd in the Big Ten while winning a round in the NCAA tournament.
vandre
Hall of Fame
you are correct. ozolins had to sit last year. i think you are also correct about where they finish in the conference this year. this time last year, i was excited about the doubles teams they could field (at that point i was thinking they'd have heck/ horve and montsi/ kenyette). this year i don't know what they have at doubles besides heck/horve (but do you ever really know what you have at doubles???
To be honest I had kind of checked out once Illinois started losing matches to Nebraska, etc. And then Montsi leaves, so....pfffft.
Not sure Brad will be able to get the program back to where it was and there are so many questions going forward. Illinois had invested so much in their facilities, hosting the finals, etc. But with the future of these "non revenue" sports seemingly up in the air in the NIL era, what's the investment/urgency from the DIA in getting it back on track? Will be interesting to see.
Hopefully Ozolins is really good but just doesn't seem like there are enough horses on this roster right now. If Montsi had stuck around....?
vandre
Hall of Fame
i agree. that loss to nebraska was brutal and i don't really know what is on the roster right now. last year it was "all hands on deck" because there were so many injures and ozolins had to sit out. the facilities are amazing (much better than the old "sinking courts" on the west side of atkins).
rastapasta
New User
Ohio State sans Kinglsey in the singles lineup making Texas look silly so far
When you can put 5th year Seniors at#3 and #6 it helps tremendously. Gives the 2 freshman at 4 and 5 some breathing room and release the pressure. Boulais has improved so much since last year it’s incredible.
optimaltennis
Rookie
Cash at 6 is a 4th year senior. The player from Texas is an actual 5th year senior. For Ohio State, I believe Trotter the only one who is a 5th year.
In fact, I believe Texas is the more experienced team. Harper (5) and Huang (6) are in their 5th year, Spizzirri (1) and Woldeab (3) are in their 4th year, while Braswell (4) is a junior and Bailey (2) is a sophomore. Ohio State has two 1st years, a 3rd year, 2 4th year, and a 5th year in their singles lineup today
I had gotten Lutschuanig and Cash mixed up on the 5th year. Good to see in the first big test of the season the Buckeyes rolled with the 2 first years, neither of which played against A & M on Friday.
Great win today by the Buckeyes at UVA. Lost the dubs point but some clutch 3 set wins by Boulais and Anthrop. Nice bounce back from Bernard in unfinished match after getting steamrolled against Wake Forest. Cash and Trotter just keep winning. This team keeps performing, even without Kingsley.
rastapasta
New User
Shows how good the depth of team is going against a fully-loaded, elite UVA team on their home courts. Missing their #1 and having the luxury of having a player like Lutschaunig on their bench and putting up these big matches. As close of a 4-1 match as you can get though; if Boulais didn't clean things up OSU is in a hole. Anyone following Boulais' summer results shouldn't be surprised with the strides he's had so far this season. Trotter also had a great summer and I think he should be ahead of Bernard in the lineup. A pair of doubles point drops on these matches that can hopefully be cleaned up. If an opposing team doesn't win the doubles point against OSU, they aren't winning the match.
collegetennisisthebest
Semi-Pro
Players improve......when they decide to play college tennis for Ty Tucker. I hope that the Buckeyes can win an outdoor national title this year for Coach Tucker. Virginia #3 is an outstanding player. Tremendous credit to Bernard for bouncing back to win the 2nd set.
collegetennisisthebest
Semi-Pro
TCU got so much stronger when Jack Pinnington Jones became eligible. Fomba will be a tough matchup for any team at 3. Doubles point is going to be gigantic whenever TCU and Ohio State match up. TCU has so much depth. I am rooting for the Buckeyes to win in May...but David Roditi knocking down the national title door.....would also be a good story.
collegetennisisthebest
Semi-Pro
Alex Petrov played number 1 for Illinois last weekend in their wins over Central Florida and Notre Dame.
Petrov did not play singles today. Illinois just defeated Georgia 4-2. Illinois won a hard fought doubles point. Mroz defeated Bryde at 3 for the Clinch. Ozolins with a straight set win at 1 over Quinn. Illinois won 6-1,6-4 at 4.
Petrov did not play singles today. Illinois just defeated Georgia 4-2. Illinois won a hard fought doubles point. Mroz defeated Bryde at 3 for the Clinch. Ozolins with a straight set win at 1 over Quinn. Illinois won 6-1,6-4 at 4.
Was wondering where Petrov as been. Hopefully he's healthy and will be a regular in their line up as the season goes by. These last 3 match wins are pretty impressive.
Liam Grennon
Professional
Super impressive win for an Illinois team that has struggled recently. On the bright side for GA - they got some experience at Illinois on the courts they will play ITA indoors on, but not many positive takeaways for GA outside of that.
Seems like OSU / UM are legitimate NCAA contenders and Illinois / Northwestern seem like teams that could snag a match over top teams - overall seems like that Big Ten is continuing to stay relevant at the higher levels of college tennis. That being said - the majority of matches they play are indoors at this point and things might change as they shift to outdoor matches.
Gracelhink
Rookie
Big Ten had some better results at indoors, esp Illini who represented well.
Felt like Michigan and OSU were both top 3 in strength, (after TCU) and were on a collision course to Finals until they were both upset by an opportunistic Texas team.
Big Ten championship and tournament will be a dogfight.
Felt like Michigan and OSU were both top 3 in strength, (after TCU) and were on a collision course to Finals until they were both upset by an opportunistic Texas team.
Big Ten championship and tournament will be a dogfight.
jcgatennismom
Hall of Fame
It really show the parity in tennis, that teams can beat an opponent that they lose to two weeks later. It just depends on location, who is sick or injured, which team is motivated that day, who can close a match. OSU came so close to winning withKingsley with chances to win in 2 and Tracy to win in 3. Similar for Michigan, Fenty had his chance to win in 2 and for Gavin Young to force a 3rd set but Texas came charging back from any breaks. I apologize if I am remembering wrong-watched a lot of tennis over weekend-but it was a handful key points that turned matches. Similarly GA lost to USC in FL but beat them in Illinois-interesting since GA's indoor courts are torn down while new 6 courts indoors facility is built. You'd think they would have done better outdoors, but they got the win inside.
Iirc UGA and USC played indoors in Orlando because of rain. So, that probably helped them figure out how to play them again last weekend. I believe the rejiggered lineup moving Giusca all the way down to 5 below Bryde at 3 and Croyder at 4 has worked. They should persist with that. Also Quinn had a feel good win over Dostanic
jcgatennismom
Hall of Fame
I watched the GA vs GA Tech game. Guisca played 4 at that-he almost lost in 2 to a freshman. The GT freshman had won the 1st set and had a 2nd set TB. Guisca won the tiebreak and crushed the kid in 3rd. GA was only 3 TBs away from losing to TEch-that match at 4 plus Bryde edged Keshav Chopra at 3 7-6 7-6. Quinn looked great at 1 dominating Andres Martin who at ATP 600ish is not a bad player. Henning struggled vs Tech with Tech's 2 fairly easily winning in 2. GA lost the dubs. Since I knew players and parents from both teams, I was rooting for particular players vs teams. GT played terrible tiebreaks losing 7-0 and 7-1 at two of them.
The pleasant surprise this year is Trent playing much better this year after being only being .5 at 4 last year. Pena has done a standout job at 6, and Croyder usually wins. Quinn is getting better and Guisca is finally turning around an absolutely awful start. The GA team should do better in spring as all their matches but the kickoff have been away-their next home match is in March. The March 18 match outside at home vs a weakened Tenn team (as compared to past 2 years) should be fun. I sure hope GA somehow can reach NCAA quarterfinals-it is the last chance for 5 super seniors (3 from GA including Britton Johnson who only plays dubs w/Croyder). GA used to be so good at dubs-hopefully the team will improve their dub % soon-think they are 5-6 winning dubs point at duals. It amazed me GA beat SC after losing dubs and lines 1 and 2. I think that was the turnaround match; USC was a bigger win but I think the SC win gave them the confidence to beat USC.
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They have deceptive depth. Henning can have his off days and when Quinn’s up against a top opposing #1, it’s certainly comforting to know they can count on the others. I like Johnston and Paulsell, both always wear a smile. Likewise expect dubs to improve in time for NCAAs
