pushing_wins
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i say he is pushing his right side through
if he is pullling , the racquet will slap along the equator of the ball
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is he pusing or pulling
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i say he is pushing his right side through
if he is pullling , the racquet will slap along the equator of the ball
pushing_wins
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VaBeachTennis
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i say he is pushing his right side through
It's hard to say from that picture because he's almost at the point of contact, where in my opinion it is not distinguishable as to whether he is pushing or pulling. If I had to guess I'd say he's pulling.
pushing_wins
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at that point, is he pushing or pulling?
topgun78956
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id say pulling, but i dont think there is anyone who can answer that accurately other than him him, its a sensation, he feels it not us
pushing_wins
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if he was pullling , the racquet will slap along the equator of the ball
topgun78956
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meh w/e, hes doing what works for him
Bungalo Bill
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Although this can be difficult to conceptualize by some people, in essence I do understand what he is saying.
CLARIFYING THE PULL
The pulling of the racquet is not a constant feeling of pulling as we would think. It is simply the start of something. Rotation of the body will also play a role in bringing and accelerating the racquet forward through contact.
The pull of the racquet is very slight and I mean very slight. The racquet simply does not weigh that much to feel a constant pull through the air. In other words, it is not heavier than the resistance and other factors it faces as it goes forward.
So the pull of the racquet is almost more of a concept than a reality. It simply gets a person to think of accelerating the racquet forward by "tugging" on the handle first BEFORE rotation takes over. The pulling concept and the start of body rotation is very slight and is nearly connected together with the bodies rotation into the ball. That is all it is.
CLARIFYING THE PUSH
Once the racquet is moving forward the "pull" disapates as it gives way to momentum and rotation. The arm is "going along" with the ride. As the racquet passes a certain point of the body, it turns into more of a push through contact and extending out so that followthrough can take place.
In other words, the push keeps the racquet accelerating using the momentum that was created. It is also very slight and largely is unfelt or unnoticed. So the push is also more of a concept then an actual feeling.
So the picture above? It is hard to tell because the muscle involvment is so slight and rotation has already captured the stroke that it coud very well be either.
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pushing_wins
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WildVolley
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Good post Bungalo Bill. There's a lot of talk about pushing and pulling, but I really never understood the difference. In reality, it is more of a subjective concept with some slight differences in how a forehand is started and to what extent the body rotates. Almost all the professional men are using strokes which incorporate using pulling and pushing muscles and motions.
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
Yes, it is more of the very initial start of the stroke and that is it. Everything else becomes rotation and momentum. In all the years I have played tennis, I have never really felt a "constant" pull through the strike zone. The rotation/momentum is a much stronger feeling.
You can also use it as a concept to learn how the hand goes through the ball. But then again, it is a very slight feeling and leans more in the realm of concept rather then reality.
Yes, the pulling and pushing motion of the arm/hand is over shadowed by the rotation of the body and the momentum it creates with the racquet. So, if you are to feel anything, it should be in your stomach muscles more than anything. The upper body should be relaxed and go along with the ride from the initial and slight torque the stomach muscles create.
Finally, the other key concept to learn about the "pull" side of things is that the hand moves forward BEFORE shoulder rotation starts. However, this can be difficult to see and can only really be seen in slow motion. What this does is allows the hand to come forward and get the racquet in front of the body plane before impact. In essence, the hand is very slightly leading the rotation and momentum which at some point allows the stroke to turn into a "push" as the racquet and hand get in front of the body plane.
It is hard to pull once the racquet is in front!
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pushing_wins
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you intiatie with the pull
the left side brakes
the hand/elbow come forward
the right side pushes through for extension
the rest is automatic
how is that BB?
the key concept you mention about hand ahead of the shoulder. that is the reason why your backswing should never go behind you. when your racquet goes behind you, all the power/leverage from the coil is loss. you see this is a lot of WTA forehands.
pushing_wins
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ho
what do u think?
what do u think?
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
You shouldnt be focused on pushing and pulling in the stroke!!! For goodness sakes!!! Momentum plays a key roll in how your arm moves through the contact point!!!
WildVolley
Legend
Pushing and Pulling are used here as names for differences in technique. Hitting any forehand is going to require the physical act of both pulling and pushing the racket depending on where it is in the stroke.
I think the people who have created this taxonomy (which I really don't understand), claim that Federer uses a "pull" stroke, and that most professional men use a "pull" stroke too.
I think the people who have created this taxonomy (which I really don't understand), claim that Federer uses a "pull" stroke, and that most professional men use a "pull" stroke too.
Djokovicfan4life
Legend
So which is it guys: push or pull?
The suspense is killing me.
The suspense is killing me.
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
The motion of a forehand goes through both. However, it is something that is a sub component to your angular momentum, it is not the main show.
The main thing is when you bring the racquet forward, the inital pull of the racquet (which is hardly felt) will be overwhelmed by your shoulder rotation. The arm will be gliding with the shoulder rotation until your shoulder rotation slows down and reaches its destination. Then the pushing motion enters for a fraction of a second as it goes through the ball before relaxation overwhelms the stroke and you followthrough.
We need to quit worrying about this!!
Djokovicfan4life
Legend
Yeah, I was being sarcastic anyway.
Generally I enjoy discussions on technique as much as the next guy, but even I don't give a crap about this one.
pushing_wins
Hall of Fame
have you posted a video?
better yet , tournament results
the suspense is killing me
but i am willing wager some significant amount of money, you will never be good. by my reasonable definition of good.
honestly, dont you feel like a baffoon, you keep talkin ang talking, nothing to back it up
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pushing_wins
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pushing_wins
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when i load and push off the legs, i end up spinning around.
how do u brake the left side? so the racquet and hand comes forward?
Bungalo Bill
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LOl, you are kidding right? I mean come on!! How do you brake? hahahaha
I thought you knew more than all of us - including Yandell. Why don't you explain it to all of us. Or you can do some research if you really don't know and learn something.
