Djokovic could have withstood hamstring injury to claim grand slam, sports doctor says

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Too many medical experts were minted overnight with Djokovic's injury, which allegedly is "impossible"...
But let's see what an actual sports doctor has to say. Dr. Peter Brukner, former Cricket Australia, Socceroos and Liverpool team doctor:

“There are different types of hamstring tears – without going into great detail, your standard one is a tear in the middle of the hamstring; you stop as if you’re shot. That’s a three to four week sort of hamstring,” he said.

There is another type that’s a tear on the periphery of the muscle; we call a myofascial tear. We sort of consider that maybe a 10 to 14 day sort of injury. I presume that’s the type of injury that Djokovic had. By my calculation there were exactly 10 days from the time he did it until his first game in the Aus Open on the Tuesday."

Djokovic’s relentless preparation could have made it possible for him to shake off his injury concerns despite playing sore early in the tournament, Dr Brukner said.

“He’s the sort of guy who does everything right – what he eats, what he drinks, his rehab. He would’ve done absolutely everything to get himself right. He didn’t really go 100 per cent in those first couple of games, at least until he got to the Medvedev game
By the second week, it probably would’ve been pretty much healed, so it is feasible … but he would’ve been touch and go all along.


 

joshuayuan

Professional
“There are different types of hamstring tears – without going into great detail, your standard one is a tear in the middle of the hamstring; you stop as if you’re shot. That’s a three to four week sort of hamstring,” he said.
There is another type that’s a tear on the periphery of the muscle; we call a myofascial tear. We sort of consider that maybe a 10 to 14 day sort of injury. I presume that’s the type of injury that Djokovic had. By my calculation there were exactly 10 days from the time he did it until his first game in the Aus Open on the Tuesday."

Finally a reliable analysis from a reliable Sports Doctor, not from butthurt armchair experts of baldbrigade.
 

joshuayuan

Professional
It's interesting that when an authoritative expert on the subject says the injury is definitely feasible, the haters are very quiet

But they instead draw the most farfetched conclusions based on what random people have to say :-D
Yeah the silence is deafening! :-D
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Too many medical experts were minted overnight with Djokovic's injury, which allegedly is "impossible"...
But let's see what an actual sports doctor has to say. Dr. Peter Brukner, former Cricket Australia, Socceroos and Liverpool team doctor:

“There are different types of hamstring tears – without going into great detail, your standard one is a tear in the middle of the hamstring; you stop as if you’re shot. That’s a three to four week sort of hamstring,” he said.

There is another type that’s a tear on the periphery of the muscle; we call a myofascial tear. We sort of consider that maybe a 10 to 14 day sort of injury. I presume that’s the type of injury that Djokovic had. By my calculation there were exactly 10 days from the time he did it until his first game in the Aus Open on the Tuesday."

Djokovic’s relentless preparation could have made it possible for him to shake off his injury concerns despite playing sore early in the tournament, Dr Brukner said.

“He’s the sort of guy who does everything right – what he eats, what he drinks, his rehab. He would’ve done absolutely everything to get himself right. He didn’t really go 100 per cent in those first couple of games, at least until he got to the Medvedev game
By the second week, it probably would’ve been pretty much healed, so it is feasible … but he would’ve been touch and go all along.



Does the sport doctor have an account on TTW? It not, he is not in a place of authority to given his medical opinion.
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
Didn't Barty win Wimbledon with a 0.1m tear? That's more than 3 times larger than Djokovic's.
Anyone who calls Djokovic a liar or a faker should think about this.
Sure, it had to be very painful. But with rest, a good physio and painkillers, it isn't hard to believe a he could've withstood it. Other tennis players (and other sportsmen... like Barty) have done it, so....

Thanks for the article. That sounds more clear than the other quacks who stated ''it's impossible'' without even knowing a mimumum of details and context.
 

FRV4

Hall of Fame
As a Fed and Nadal fan sports doctor myself. This is untrue. The hamstring slam was impossible, IMPOSSIBLE I say!
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Do we need a doctor to know he had an injury? It was blindingly obvious if you watched him play Korda in the Adelaide final and then in the first three rounds of the AO that his movement was hampered moving to wide BH shots and then changing direction afterwards. He stopped running for some wide balls and also hitting his patented stretch BH shots for a couple of rounds after that also. It was only in the last two AO matches that he seemed relatively healthy again about three weeks after suffering the injury in the Adelaide semifinal. It should be Logic 101 for some posters to realize that if your favorite player loses, it doesn’t mean he is injured and if a player you don’t like wins, it is not evidence that he is not injured either.

I am convinced that there are many posters here who don’t even watch the pro matches on TV (forget about playing tennis or watching pro tennis live) and participate in discussions that are like meme topics on TTW - weak era, tennis level has declined, Federer got old very early, Federer chokes a lot, Nadal loses only when injured, Djokovic fakes injuries, Djokovic is a pusher, Nadal is an aggressive player, Nextgen players are mentally weak (rather than having many technique flaws that get exploited by the Big 2), WTA levels are very comparable to ATP levels, Pro tennis is dying, no one likes baseline tennis etc., etc. I have a lot of these posters on ignore because there are only so many times I can stand to hear the same moronic views. If you make a counter-argument with some facts they go quiet anyway.

What is disconcerting for me is why there are so many posters who don’t play tennis, who don’t seem to watch much pro tennis and yet come on here and post again and again these memes. I don’t know if they post on half-a-dozen other forums daily on topics they know nothing about also. I also don’t know why poster hate some players so much that it seems to consume their identity - these pros are strangers who appear a few times on TV to entertain us and how can you sustain such negative feelings for so long against someone who has never met you or done anything to hurt you.
 
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socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Pretty obvious many here don't play tennis, nevermind few at a decent level.
That’s why I feel most posters think many matches are decided mainly by motivation, health, mental toughness (or lack thereof), age etc. They have zero ability to pick up changes in technique, footwork, tactics etc. unless a commentator points it out to them and I also don’t think they can pick up who is hitting harder, what patterns are being played, who is changing angles often, who is hitting the ball on the rise to take time away, what serve and return locations are setting up specific point patterns, how weaknesses are being exploited or hidden etc.

The tennis authorities don’t do fans any favors by not showing basic stats like shot speed, spin, serve target locations/speeds/heights, return stance location, return targets, shot contact location spread on the court, % of DTL to CC shots on each wing, mix of topspin vs slice shots etc. These are all things that experienced fans who play advanced tennis look for and could be easily provided using the Hawkeye technology they have. I feel like Tennis TV producers live in the dark ages compared to other sports who show and use stats much more often to help fans appreciate the nuances of the game. The fact that the McEnroe brothers get to commentate many of the biggest tournaments when they rarely talk about what is happening on court is beyond a farce to me.
 
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junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
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itrium84

Hall of Fame
OK, so what you're telling me is Djokovic didn't completely fabricate a hamstring injury to gain a cheap mental edge over Enzo Couacaud? Very interesting!
No, faking injury was the only way to win that match, otherwise he would surely lose 0-3.
 
That’s why I feel most posters think many matches are decided mainly by motivation, health, mental toughness (or lack thereof), age etc. They have zero ability to pick up changes in technique, footwork, tactics etc. unless a commentator points it out to them and I also don’t think they can pick up who is hitting harder, what patterns are being played, who is changing angles often, who is hitting the ball on the rise to take time away, what serve and return locations are setting up specific point patterns, how weaknesses are being exploited or hidden etc.

The tennis authorities don’t do fans any favors by not showing basic stats like shot speed, spin, serve target locations/speeds/heights, return stance location, return targets, shot contact location spread on the court, % of DTL to CC shots on each wing, mix of topspin vs slice shots etc. These are all things that experienced fans who play advanced tennis look for and could be easily provided using the Hawkeye technology they have. I feel like Tennis TV producers live in the dark ages compared to other sports who show and use stats much more often to help fans appreciate the nuances of the game. The fact that the McEnroe brothers get to commentate many of the biggest tournaments when they rarely talk about what is happening on court is beyond a farce to me.
Tbh I was learning things by paying attention to what they were saying.
 

LaVie en Rose

Hall of Fame
That’s why I feel most posters think many matches are decided mainly by motivation, health, mental toughness (or lack thereof), age etc. They have zero ability to pick up changes in technique, footwork, tactics etc. unless a commentator points it out to them and I also don’t think they can pick up who is hitting harder, what patterns are being played, who is changing angles often, who is hitting the ball on the rise to take time away, what serve and return locations are setting up specific point patterns, how weaknesses are being exploited or hidden etc.

The tennis authorities don’t do fans any favors by not showing basic stats like shot speed, spin, serve target locations/speeds/heights, return stance location, return targets, shot contact location spread on the court, % of DTL to CC shots on each wing, mix of topspin vs slice shots etc. These are all things that experienced fans who play advanced tennis look for and could be easily provided using the Hawkeye technology they have. I feel like Tennis TV producers live in the dark ages compared to other sports who show and use stats much more often to help fans appreciate the nuances of the game. The fact that the McEnroe brothers get to commentate many of the biggest tournaments when they rarely talk about what is happening on court is beyond a farce to me.
It’s criminal how little data from matches tennis fans get in the age of advanced technology.Wonder why is that?Not to mention companies could make quite big profit of us tennis addicticts.
 

Topspin_80

Hall of Fame
Do we need a doctor to know he had an injury? It was blindingly obvious if you watched him play Korda in the Adelaide final and then in the first three rounds of the AO that his movement was hampered moving to wide BH shots and then changing direction afterwards. He stopped running for some wide balls and also hitting his patented stretch BH shots for a couple of rounds after that also. It was only in the last two AO matches that he seemed relatively healthy again about three weeks after suffering the injury in the Adelaide semifinal. It should be Logic 101 for some posters to realize that if your favorite player loses, it doesn’t mean he is injured and if a player you don’t like wins, it is not evidence that he is not injured either.

I am convinced that there are many posters here who don’t even watch the pro matches on TV (forget about playing tennis or watching pro tennis live) and participate in discussions that are like meme topics on TTW - weak era, tennis level has declined, Federer got old very early, Federer chokes a lot, Nadal loses only when injured, Djokovic fakes injuries, Djokovic is a pusher, Nadal is an aggressive player, Nextgen players are mentally weak (rather than having many technique flaws that get exploited by the Big 2), WTA levels are very comparable to ATP levels, Pro tennis is dying, no one likes baseline tennis etc., etc. I have a lot of these posters on ignore because there are only so many times I can stand to hear the same moronic views. If you make a counter-argument with some facts they go quiet anyway.

What is disconcerting for me is why there are so many posters who don’t play tennis, who don’t seem to watch much pro tennis and yet come on here and post again and again these memes. I don’t know if they post on half-a-dozen other forums daily on topics they know nothing about also. I also don’t know why poster hate some players so much that it seems to consume their identity - these pros are strangers who appear a few times on TV to entertain us and how can you sustain such negative feelings for so long against someone who has never met you or done anything to hurt you.
He over exaggerated whatever he had, pencil head is a drama queen, you should know that by now.
 

Wander

Hall of Fame
Pretty obvious many here don't play tennis, nevermind few at a decent level.
I don't play tennis at a particularly decent level, but I've played with more debilitating injuries than what Djokovic had at the Australian Open. If you're a far superior player to your opponent, you just don't need to be able to use 100% of your movement. Everyone knows this.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
If his injury was really serious, that only serves as a concrete proof that we are in the weakest, terrible era ever, a true dark age of tennis.
 

elibrown

New User
I am a non-orthopedic physician 4.5-5.0 tennis player who has suffered many hamstring injuries---likely mostly strains/micro-tears rather than large tears. Each time, I have been hobbled for several weeks, depending on my friends to hit balls almost directly to me to limit my movement. From personal experience, I find it hard to believe that someone can compete at the professional level in 3 out of 5 set matches with any significant hamstring tear. How can Djokovic compete (and win) whereas Venus and Alcaraz (semimembranosus = hamstring) had to withdraw from the AO? There are certainly degrees of injuries, but my gut feeling is that Djokovic had a relatively minor injury that was embellished for whatever reason.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Former legends of the game are often unbiased than petty journalists, fans, politicians and other parasites.
The thing is, the Australian Open never banned Djokovic, nor did the tennis authorities, so it's not like with Connors at the 1974 French Open. Djokovic couldn't play because he entered the country unvaccinated and was then deported, by the Australian government authorities. It went beyond tennis and beyond tennis authority.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
my gut feeling is that Djokovic had a relatively minor injury that was embellished for whatever reason.
Apart from saying he had a leg injury that bothered him that he had to rehab extensively, Djokovic and his camp have not commented on the extent of the injury. It is only Tiley who talked about it being a 3cm tear based on seeing some scans. I agree with you that it cannot be a tear and Tiley probably made his own interpretation of some MRI image that was shown to him where someone might have remarked on a 3cm difference in the scan which might have been a very slight strain and nothing like a full tear.
 
Apart from saying he had a leg injury that bothered him that he had to rehab extensively, Djokovic and his camp have not commented on the extent of the injury. It is only Tiley who talked about it being a 3cm tear based on seeing some scans. I agree with you that it cannot be a tear and Tiley probably made his own interpretation of some MRI image that was shown to him where someone might have remarked on a 3cm difference in the scan which might have been a very slight strain and nothing like a full tear.
And Tiley is a known Djokovic fanboy.
 

nov

Hall of Fame
It's interesting that when an authoritative expert on the subject says the injury is definitely feasible, the haters are very quiet

But they instead draw the most farfetched conclusions based on what random people have to say :-D
Basically you described typical TTW user.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
Pretty much what I said at the time but then I’ve had various hamstring tweaks and know how to manage them; fortunately only had one that kept me out for weeks.
 
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Deleted member 791948

Guest
Does the scan show it was in the middle of the hamstring, or on the periphery?
 
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