Federer vs Monfils

Federer vs Monfils


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anointedone

Banned
Federer and Monfils now meet up. Monfils is one of the most overhyped players in the last 30 years probably, but Federer is playing so poorly these days it seems any match can be a dilemna. Monfils is atleast still better then some of those guys you never heard of who nearly beat Federer in 2 of his last 3 tour matches. That being said I still pick Federer in 2, but figured it might be an interesting poll anyway right now.
 

edmondsm

Legend
I smell disappointment for Fed. Monfils kept Karlovic from hitting a single ace which might mean he'll be all over Federer's serve.
 

Zaragoza

Banned
Federer is too unpredictable this year. He can be 2 different players in the same match: the great one we now and the one who makes unforced errors all the time losing sets and almost matches to players outside the top 100.
There´s no result in this match that would surprise me at all.
 

thalivest

Banned
Federer is too unpredictable this year. He can be 2 different players in the same match: the great one we now and the one who makes unforced errors all the time losing sets and almost matches to players outside the top 100.
There´s no result in this match that would surprise me at all.

Interesting comments. If you can point out any match Federer this year has been the great player he used to be it would be interesting, since I certainly cant think of one.
 

Zaragoza

Banned
Interesting comments. If you can point out any match Federer this year has been the great player he used to be it would be interesting, since I certainly cant think of one.

He played very well in the early rounds of the AO and Indian Wells. He seems to be on a roll sometimes but then plays terrible in the next games, even whole sets and matches. He has an off day on every tournament he plays this year. I think his skills are intact but his game is not as consistent as it used to be. It could be physical or mental but he is not a reliable player this year. Still his mental edge made him win some of those matches where he played poorly.
 
Wasn't he sick from the virus at the same time.

Yeap. You know, I really think his game fell apart after that marathon match against Tipsy. That physical strain at that time (being ill) was way too much for him. He should have tanked that match and went to the hospital for a week. Fed is freaking stubborn.
 

gj011

Banned
Yeap. You know, I really think his game fell apart after that marathon match against Tipsy. That physical strain at that time (being ill) was way too much for him. He should have tanked that match and went to the hospital for a week. Fed is freaking stubborn.

So Janko broke Federer for Novak :) Good team work.
 
No matter how bad he is playing now Federer has too much pride to lose to such a wannabee joke of a supposed up and coming star. Federer will get his game up to atleast 60% for this match which is more then good enough against the joke that is known as Monfils. Federer in straights.
 
All of a sudden Monfils is favored to play high quality tennis and send Roger home. With the type of tennis talked about today, he will have to do a little better and I will stick with Roger in 2 sets.

Will update later after watching the Fed/Hidalgo match.
 

KRFLegal

Rookie
Monfils is gay?

I think all the French players are considered gay until proven otherwise...

I have to go with Monfils in two --- mainly because Federer's mono will be kicking in due to the stress of the Hidalgo match.

But also, Federer's movement is still lacking, his unforced errors are skyrocketing and he will be playing a reasonably talented athletic guy who can handle a big serve.

If Hidalgo, an athletic 30 year old who serves like a 3.5 player, can push Federer, Monfils can beat him.
 

daddy

Legend
Against Djokovic at AO2008 and against Fish.

Be fair to djokovic, he did win vs healthy Federer and he did push Fed in USO finals although he lost in straights you never know what might have happened if he took first two sets where he gave away 7 set points.

Monfils is no stranger to clay ( Jr RG champion '04 ) his movement is excelent, his reach is perfect, height is amasing. Returns great and has great shots, awesome serve. He is just a mentalcase, and can fall apart so badly.

Imo if Monfils comes out with a right frame of mind he can push Fed and make it very hard for him. Fed in three.
 
Be fair to djokovic, he did win vs healthy Federer and he did push Fed in USO finals although he lost in straights you never know what might have happened if he took first two sets where he gave away 7 set points.

Monfils is no stranger to clay ( Jr RG champion '04 ) his movement is excelent, his reach is perfect, height is amasing. Returns great and has great shots, awesome serve. He is just a mentalcase, and can fall apart so badly.

Imo if Monfils comes out with a right frame of mind he can push Fed and make it very hard for him. Fed in three.

Hey I am not arguing Djokovic is good :) Have you watched that Toronto Masters where Fed lost? He made unforced so uncharacteristically on some easy points. IMO Djokovic did nothing special there.
 

daddy

Legend
Hey I am not arguing Djokovic is good :) Have you watched that Toronto Masters where Fed lost? He made unforced so uncharacteristically on some easy points. IMO Djokovic did nothing special there.

Well I watch almost all Djokovic's matches so yes you bet I did watch that one also. He still hang in there and having in mind he never won vs Federer before, he stood there, played good enough and eventually used his chances and Fed's mistkakes and managed to win. Its not easy to do vs Fed in prime form ( phisically and mentally he was perfect back then ).

People are going too much on - Fed played like this and that when he losses. He lost. Even if he made unusually high number of errors, it required a hell of a good player o the other side to make use of that. Same with AO semis, even if Fed was ill, he was playing decently until he managed to relax and virtually threw away the first set he almost already won. Was serving for it. Take guts and good player to do that, agree ?
 
Well I watch almost all Djokovic's matches so yes you bet I did watch that one also. He still hang in there and having in mind he never won vs Federer before, he stood there, played good enough and eventually used his chances and Fed's mistkakes and managed to win. Its not easy to do vs Fed in prime form ( phisically and mentally he was perfect back then ).

People are going too much on - Fed played like this and that when he losses. He lost. Even if he made unusually high number of errors, it required a hell of a good player o the other side to make use of that. Same with AO semis, even if Fed was ill, he was playing decently until he managed to relax and virtually threw away the first set he almost already won. Was serving for it. Take guts and good player to do that, agree ?

Well, Canas did it twice last year, and I am not that impressed by him. It was up to Federer to win or lose. Again, in Montreal it was the same - the outcome pretty much depended on how Federer played. Had he played normal, Djokovic would not be able to beat him with his game there. Does Djokovic deserve credit for beating him? Of course he does. Did Federer deserve to lose? Yes, for sure.

However, what I want to see is Federer playing 100% and THEN somebody beat him - no matter how marvelously he plays. That's a match I'd like to watch and admire, not a match where an amazing player is playing poorly and he gets beaten by someone good enough to take advantage.

It takes a good player to capitalize on Roger's mistakes, but it takes a great one to beat him at his best (which, well, probably only a few people are capable of). Kinda like his matches in Rome 2006, or Wimbledon 2007 (yes, he was getting outplayed and serve saved him) vs. Nadal.

So what I really want to see is the day when Novak brings his best game, and so does Roger. I don't think this has happened so far, but my fingers are crossed for USO2008.
 
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gj011

Banned
Well, it is a good chance you will never see your imaginary "100% Federer" again.

Sorry but I am really sick of these lame arrogant excuses here for every Federer match he loses: "He was not 100%, he played poorly, if he could just bring his best game he would win for sure, ...". Reminds me of Serena and her "I was 30-40% today".

Djokovic beat Federer twice fair and square. And Federer was outplayed by better player on the day both times. That is it. Nobody can bring their so called 100% game every time.
You could make the same lame argument that 100% Djokovic would beat Federer in the 2007 US Open final.
 
Well, it is a good chance you will never see your imaginary "100% Federer" again.

Sorry but I am really sick of these lame arrogant excuses here for every Federer match he loses: "He was not 100%, he played poorly, if he could just bring his best game he would win for sure, ...". Reminds me of Serena and her "I was 30-40% today".

Djokovic beat Federer twice fair and square. And Federer was outplayed by better player on the day both times. That is it. Nobody can bring their so called 100% game every time.
You could make the same lame argument that 100% Djokovic would beat Federer in the 2007 US Open final.

I do not make excuses for Federer losing. I said he deserved to lose playing like that. There is a BIG difference in beating somebody vs. having them lose to you. Sorry if you can't comprehend that difference :)
 

gj011

Banned
Obviously you are not able to "comprehend the difference".
Djokovic BEAT Federer in Montreal and AO.
 

daddy

Legend
I do not make excuses for Federer losing. I said he deserved to lose playing like that. There is a BIG difference in beating somebody vs. having them lose to you. Sorry if you can't comprehend that difference :)

Well if you say he should have lost playing like that it remids me of the big man himself who says things like I was not at my best regularly. Well how often are people playing their 100% ?? Not that often correct ? The fact he used to be at his best all the time - credit to him.To expect that he'll always be at his best, well that is imaginary.

Anyways as GJ said there is a big chance you'll not see 100% federer from 04-06 period ever again ( maybe he will shine a few times in big style ). He'll be competitive for all the slams and masters of course, but I bet he'll lose more often than he'll win vs Djokovic in time to come.

I also agree that Fed at his best would beat Djokovic at his best quite easily. The thing is that Federers best is in the past ( 04-06 ) and Djookvic although a great player is still a couple of years from the beggining of his peak. In a decade's time we will talk about Fed at his best vs Joker at his best in the Former players thread, until then these kinds of arguments are pointless.
 

gj011

Banned
Monte Carlo final 2007, Roland Garros final 2007 <- you saw that before :)
I just said in another post that his only true opponent is Nadal.

As I said on another post as well, we are not in 2007 or 2005. You could say that his only true opponent was Nadal. Not any more. Today players like Fish or Hidalgo are real threat to Federer. Sad but true.
 

daddy

Legend
:twisted:
As I said on another post as well, we are not in 2007 or 2005. You could say that his only true opponent was Nadal. Not any more. Today players like Fish or Hidalgo are real threat to Federer. Sad but true.

Whats the 107th german awkward name, who took a set ? I wonder if the Granollers Pujol would take him out ? Ok rubbing salt a bit but what now, I can. Maybe he'll raise his game and Ill not be able anymore so seize the oportunity my friend !
 

Rhino

Legend
i think things could go well for Federer. Obviously I see him taking out Monfils, but people are concerned because he has Djokovic and Nalbandian in his half. I think it's feasable that Robredo will take down Nalbandian today, and that Gasquet (but probably not Murray) could take down Djokovic.

Elsewhere I think Nadal may have trouble with Ferrer. If these things pan out, the whole draw could open up for Fed. I know I'm kind of dreaming a little bit but I bet at least one or two of those 'upsets' happen.
 

gj011

Banned
i think things could go well for Federer. Obviously I see him taking out Monfils, but people are concerned because he has Djokovic and Nalbandian in his half. I think it's feasable that Robredo will take down Nalbandian today, and that Gasquet (but probably not Murray) could take down Djokovic.

Elsewhere I think Nadal may have trouble with Ferrer. If these things pan out, the whole draw could open up for Fed. I know I'm kind of dreaming a little bit but I bet at least one or two of those 'upsets' happen.

Yes you are dreaming.
 

Rhino

Legend
Yes you are dreaming.

I knew the moment I posted that sentence that within moments the four words of your reply would be waiting for me, but hey, I always live in hope!
Robredo beat Nalbandian last time they played here, and I'm not convinced about Djokovic being unbeatable, plus Ferrer is on fire in Monte carlo, so you never know.
 
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