look at drake university
they have like no US born players
IS Delic an American?
Here is the only really fair answer to this:
Only American citizens are eligible for athletic scholarships. Teams can have foreign players, but they have to pay for their education or can come in on academic scholarships.
And before it's brought up for the seemingly thousandth time: athletic scholarships are NOT funded directly from US tax dollars. Athletic scholarships are by and large funded by revenues generated from the revenue sports, the majority of which is football. Additional athletic scholarship money generally comes from booster organizations (donations, fund-raisers, etc.).
How do you explain the fact that only around 65% of D1 football schools make a profit? There are also a lot of D1 tennis schools that do not have D1 football. How do these teams support tennis- all from donations and boosters?
Schools attempt to get the sport "fully endowed", so there's a nice fat bank account that draws enough interest to fully cover the budget of the sport in question.
That was part of the deal for swimming, wrestling and tennis at ASU. They were dropped because the football revenues were not enough to sustain all the programs (head coach makes enough annually to cover all three sports budgets for nearly 3 years...), so they dropped the programs. They allowed the sports back in if they could become so endowed.
Swimming and wrestling were able to do so, largely because of outside donations by a few wealthy folks. Tennis was not able to do it. Evidently there are more people willing to donate to the other two sports.
Yeah. That's exactly what happened to ASU Tennis. Although, there is some speculation that Robert Sarver, owner of the Phoenix Suns, a huge tennis fanatic, currently building an indoor tennis court at his own home, will write a 5 million dollar check to reinstate ASU tennis but they won't be back until next year, and not many players will come back. Like Matt, Andres, Wes etc.
Such policies won't foster better American players; rather, they'll only pave the way for more American mediocrity. Competition breeds excellence.
My sense is that most American tennis juniors and their parents that are aiming at college rather than the pro tour (which is the vast majority) don't care about better college tennis per se. They care about getting a tennis scholarship so they don't have to pay for college.
From my understanding, full blown tennis scholarships are somewhat rare. At any rate, who's to say we're to deny foreign players access to our secondary education?
On the mens side they get 4.5 and on the women's side they get upto 8 full scholies.
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But this would be hurting too many students. A huge majority of those that are on a full athletic scholarship go on to complete their 4 years and compete in their sport while they are there, then go on to another school for more education or go right into a career other than professional sports.On the mens side they get 4.5 and on the women's side they get 9 full scholies.
I don't see any problem with foreign players or students for that matter in the US system as long as I am not paying for it.
The bigger problem is I colleges are spending too much money on athletics in general when their mission is supposedly academic. Many schools are like semipro leagues where the athletes are students in name only. I would be perfectly happy if there were zero college athletic scholarships and we followed the Ivy league model.
On the mens side they get 4.5 and on the women's side they get upto 8 full scholies.
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I looked up some other D1 scholarship limits with interesting results.
Rowing: Womens = 20, Mens= 0
Vollyeball: Womens= 12 Mens= 4.5
Water Polo Womens= 8, Mens= 4.5
Field Hockey Womens= 12 Mens= 0
Track & Field Womens= 18 Mens= 12.6
Of course this is probably all to balance out the 85 scholies Men get in Football.
I guess the question is why does being a great athlete make you more worthy of a full ride over people who can't afford it and can't make an academic scholarship cutoff but are great musicians, great artists, great writers, great debaters, great community leaders, ect. I am not anti-college sports in fact I follow many of them. But I don't see how being a great athlete makes you more worthy than somebody who isn't but has other exceptional skills.But this would be hurting too many students. A huge majority of those that are on a full athletic scholarship go on to complete their 4 years and compete in their sport while they are there, then go on to another school for more education or go right into a career other than professional sports.
Most of the athletes that get a full ride get the chance for a great education at top schools where they might not be able to afford going to if it weren't for the athletic scholarship. Many of them are worthy of going to a great school, but can't afford it and don't make the cut for an academic scholarship.
Yeah. But the public perception of this situation is already very bad for ASU athletics. If one was to raise the funds after and they made another stipulation you could expect a huge uproar from the community.Unfortunately, the push to get the program re-instated without causing too much of a delay has an initial deadline of October 31st of 2008. After that, it's gonna be much more difficult.
The committee does state a goal to not only get the sport reinstated, but also to try to promote participation among local or sectional athletes much more.
Great Musicians, artists and writers also have scholarships as well. Most of them are considered academic scholarships. Also, a lot of great artists and musicians get scholarships into specialized schools and campuses. There are no tennis schools or baseball or football schools.I guess the question is why does being a great athlete make you more worthy of a full ride over people who can't afford it and can't make an academic scholarship cutoff but are great musicians, great artists, great writers, great debaters, great community leaders, ect. I am not anti-college sports in fact I follow many of them. But I don't see how being a great athlete makes you more worthy than somebody who isn't but has other exceptional skills.
Great Musicians, artists and writers also have scholarships as well. Most of them are considered academic scholarships. Also, a lot of great artists and musicians get scholarships into specialized schools and campuses. There are no tennis schools or baseball or football schools.
so why do you want to limit the number of players? to get rid of competition?
tennis academies like Bolliterri don't offer college level classes and degrees. Art and Music academies do.Tennis School = Bolliteri / IMG academies - IIRC - IMG also has schools for soccer, tennis, basketball, baseball, etc......
There are probably more baseball and football academies and training camps than you can count.
The main reason why there are sports scholarship is because schools want to win and offering a scholarship is a way to attract the top players. I'd also like to think that it gives people who are talented athletes a way to get into schools and also get an education, but that doesn't seem to be the case at a majority of the big-time Div. 1 schools, which is really a shame.
I don't think limiting foreign players is the way to go, I just think they need to make the rules consistent about who's an amateur player and who isn't. You would probably have less foreign players in the NCAA if coaches weren't allowed to pick up these pro/semi-pro players for their teams.
Another thought is that foreign players are probably not the top problem for NCAA tennis, it's probably making sure that schools even have a varsity tennis team. I remember that Pitt got rid of men’s tennis my sophomore year. Don't know if they ever brought the sport back.
tennis academies like Bolliterri don't offer college level classes and degrees. Art and Music academies do.
So are you gonna tell an American that he can't come to Stanford or Duke or Illinois on a tennis scholarship because he played in a couple of futures or a challenger when he was 16, got a wild card into main draw and lost first round, collected his expense money and and not prize money so he could play in college?
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Ok. I knew that. I figured I was misunderstanding something. I thought that you were saying that anyone who plays a professional tournament shouldn't be able to play college tennis.That's what they are doing now. America juniors who are playing futures do so as amateurs and do not collect prize money. The problem is in other countries, such as Germany, they have professional club tennis which is not ATP/ITF. They get money, but as long as they can show what their expenses were more than their earnings they are ok. So you get 20-21 year old freshmen with professional experience coming over competing against 17 and 18 year old freshman. Americans pretty much have to decide when they graduate from high school which route they are going and there's no turning back.
Yes.
Do we expect an 18 yr straight out of high school to compete with a 22 year old freshman? I know the NCAA is adressing that problem and that should make a difference. But yes, it is about the competetion.
Why should a college exist that gives out degree for sports? Playing sports is not an academic endeavor. Some schools do have physical education or sports management degrees. But let's face it, if somebody gets a Water Polo scholarship, they are not going to college to Major in Water Polo, they are there to play for the team and get a degree in something completely unrelated.
As much as I love watching college sports, like football and basketball, on TV, I fully realize that "college" sports are waaaaaaayyyyy to intensive today. They need to cut the fluff, cut the TV contracts, cut the national play. It needs to go back to being buses for transportation, inter conference play only (except for one or two games of tradition (U of M or MSU vs Notre Dame for example) - you still bus there though), and a huge reduction in salaries for coaches, no scholarships for athletes, and sponsorships by corporations. If you go to school and you make the team, the team is secondary to the academics. Athletics should be treated as fun afterschool activities, with no recruiting, and every athlete has to try out in order to make the team (because no coach has ever seen them play before).
Now, the reality is that our culture revels sports. The brainy are geeks while the jocks are heroes and icons. The above scenario will never play out, even though I wish it would. Oh well.
To my knowledge this does not happen anymore, at least not at the Division 1 level. After you receive your High School Diploma (foreign or U.S.) you have 5 years to complete four years of athletic eligibility. This has been a rule for at least a few years. Anyone else who knows more or if I'm wrong feel free to jump in.
It happens.
High school diplomas, like birth certificates, can be easily manufactured in some places.
But the new eligibility requirement certainly helps.
From my understanding, full blown tennis scholarships are somewhat rare. At any rate, who's to say we're to deny foreign players access to our secondary education?
To my knowledge this does not happen anymore, at least not at the Division 1 level. After you receive your High School Diploma (foreign or U.S.) you have 5 years to complete four years of athletic eligibility. This has been a rule for at least a few years. Anyone else who knows more or if I'm wrong feel free to jump in.
College tennis isn't an entitlement sport.
There should be a rule that an American team must have at least one American on scholarship though.
I don't think there is an age limit.
Pretty sure there is in NCAA Division 1.
There's no age limit. I believe the stipulation is that for every year a player is trying to make it on the tour but earning less than $10,000 per year, they forfeit one year of eligibility for college. I think there's also a 1 year grace period before it kicks into effect.
So, a player can kick around the futures/challengers tour for a year and it has no affect on his/her eligibility. If it surpasses a year, they now only have 3 years of eligibility left, etc.
It's also dependent upon earning less than $10,000 in winnings per year. At least, that's my take...
5 years to complete 4 from date of H.S. graduation in D1. Am I wrong?