Overly long.
J
Just watched Jolly's forehand takeback (at the top it looks more like a serve than a forehand) and it looks very like the one I am working hard to get rid of. For me the problem with it were:
- such a big and high takeback just takes too long to execute and so I am late on the ball too often - expecially when playing on fast surfaces.
- taking the racquet head behind the line of the shoulders seems to cause problems with racquet head control. Apparently the brain tends to lose track of what the arm / hand are doing when they get behind the line of the shoulders). In my case (and I think Jolly's from trying to pause the video) this meant I was opening the racquet face at the back of the take-back. While this usually corrected during the forward swing it was a hitch which could cause inconsistant hitting.
Would you say it's a long take back? Is it overly long, or is it a good amount?
http://www.vimeo.com/2228977
Long and excessive. Over rotates and swings a bit too hard then is needed. Racquet head travels behind his back instead of staying on the same side of the body. Cant knock his results though.
what results? I looked up his results and he's has a 20% winning record...4/20 in open tourneys...losing handily to 4.0/4.5s... I don't see the need for the facade anymore. We all thought you were 5.5 or greater...that's why he's getting so much flak.... Just sell 17 of your 19 racquets. 18/20 of your black shirts, 18/20 of your black polos, 18/20 of your white shirts, 18/20 of your white polos, etc etc... lets bring back TTW to reality!
J
If you really wanted to help Jo11y, there wouldn't be so many cheapshots in that post.
Haha, I guess everyone has an opinion. However, have you competed in an Open tournament and at least won 4 of them? When I say results, I am not speaking of his record, but that he climbed high enough to even consider competing in open tournaments.
Do we have to bring it back though to YOUR reality? Playing at a 2.5 level is hardly reality. However, like I said, everyone has an opinion.
what results? I looked up his results and he's has a 20% winning record...4/20 in open tourneys...losing handily to 4.0/4.5s... I don't see the need for the facade anymore. We all thought you were 5.5 or greater...that's why he's getting so much flak.... Just sell 17 of your 19 racquets. 18/20 of your black shirts, 18/20 of your black polos, 18/20 of your white shirts, 18/20 of your white polos, etc etc... lets bring back TTW to reality!
J
I didnt see any "cheap shots" in his evaluation, but it was a blunt and brutally honest critique which could harm someone thats sensitive to criticism. Theres people that coach like that, and more often than not these people simply know what theyre talking about and arent going to take any short cuts, or compliment just to be nice, and they get the job done for a player that can handle it, brush off any feelings and strictly attempt to get to work and improve
Haha, I guess everyone has an opinion. However, have you competed in an Open tournament and at least won 4 of them? When I say results, I am not speaking of his record, but that he climbed high enough to even consider competing in open tournaments.
Do we have to bring it back though to YOUR reality? Playing at a 2.5 level is hardly reality. However, like I said, everyone has an opinion.
Boy, you really miss the fine print. I said I was kidding based on your critique of my post and putting your own spin on it. You really need to layoff the Jolt.
what results? I looked up his results and he's has a 20% winning record...4/20 in open tourneys...losing handily to 4.0/4.5s... I don't see the need for the facade anymore. We all thought you were 5.5 or greater...that's why he's getting so much flak.... Just sell 17 of your 19 racquets. 18/20 of your black shirts, 18/20 of your black polos, 18/20 of your white shirts, 18/20 of your white polos, etc etc... lets bring back TTW to reality!
J
i've never claimed of having any sort of level. after looking at my videos you honestly think i play at a 2.5 level? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3nnKpAGJ_M
I've never claimed to have a 110mph forehand like Jolly ol' Rog here.
Wow, Hyogen!! never seen you this upset on the boards. Interesting.......
I didnt see any "cheap shots" in his evaluation, but it was a blunt and brutally honest critique which could harm someone thats sensitive to criticism. Theres people that coach like that, and more often than not these people simply know what theyre talking about and arent going to take any short cuts, or compliment just to be nice, and they get the job done for a player that can handle it, brush off any feelings and strictly attempt to get to work and improve
Now I know why people quote a post before they can go back and edit things. You were kidding? What am i doing to put my own spin on it? All I see is you backtracking.
You can call it whatever you like. If it floats your boat to call it backtracking, you go right ahead.
However, I call it proofing and editing. It helps that I go back and reread what I wrote to ellaborate on something in case someone like you blows it out of context.
Actually, a lot of the time I am too tentative, sometimes I lose focus. Poor shot selection has plagued me at times.
Or I will just get lost for a little while, then snap out of it.
I am just gonna play a ton of tourneys in 09, and hopefully it will become more routine, so I can look at it as just another match, and just play every point one at a time. And if I lose, it is no biggie, because I am playing another one in 2 weeks.
I just love playing, and I don't want to do anything to jeapordize that. I am having way too much fun playing this game, and I am getting better by the week, so it isn't the end of the world if I lose a match.
It is just so cool to wake up on a saturday morning and be going somewhere to play a tournament.
I have done that staring at the ceiling until 5:30am when the alarm goes off because you can't sleep because you lost a match thing. And believe me when I tell you that is a place that I don't ever want to visit again.
Right now I am working hard in practice, and having fun in matches.
But I am getting more competitive with my outlook.
The last couple of years it has been, like enjoy the day, have fun, work on this work on that. Lose, shake your opponent's hand and go home.
Because I was so afraid of getting caught up in results and failing.
I don't know how much you follow my other posts, but I am pretty OCD about most things, and right now, I couldn't handle being on a team and having to win. Because if I was on a team I would HAVE to win. I would be physically ill if I lost. Even now a lot of times people I see for coaching will call me and ask me to play matches against their juniors. And I would be so worried about not going into the match and making an ass of myself.
Certainly I don't want to go through life with that la la la just have fun attitude, because I am a man, and an american besides. And I very much want to become a better player, the measure of which is winning. So I have been lately easing into being more and more competitive. And hopefully I can arrive at a point where I can fight with everything I have during the match, and then accept the outcome win or lose.
But, yea. . . not yet. I am a long way off. I have gone for mental coaching, and while it helps, and gives you stuff to work on, ultimately it is a dragon you have to slay yourself.
I still have trouble serving out sets. My hero (I know, 26 years old and have a hero, how lame) is Mariano Rivera, and I want so badly to be a lock down closer. But I will go through sets and be holding at love or 15, where the other guy couldn't sniff more than a point on my service games. And then comes time to serve it out, and I cough it up. I used to do it every time, now I only do it half the time. So, getting better, but still horrible.
I also very frequently lose my very first service game of the match.
Other times I will be lights out, and then one game my serve just packs its stuff up and goes home. And then just like magic it comes back the next game.
Hmmm, I think I have covered most of it.
Anyhow, I will keep you posted, and as I get better, hopefully I can share some of the stuff that worked for me, to help other people.
J
Hmm...i don't see where I took anything out of context. I wasn't offended in the least about your 2.5 comment. I said I wouldn't argue with you since you're an expert... in fact, i think most people who watch my vid would question your expertise even after you changed it to 3.0.
Maybe you wouldn't have to go back and reread what you, yourself, have written if you had taken a little bit of thought into it before writing it?
Maybe it's just me..but seems to be a re-re-reoccurring theme with you.
On the Open Tourny stuff, I guess I am measuring that based on So. Cal. I can remember a buddy of mine wanting to enter a local Open Tournament only to hear that Taylor Dent and Company signed up as well. I play good tennis but I aint that good! haha
If a playr here reaches the 4.5 level and above, I respect that. I really do.
Hewitt and Ancic also have high takebacks, if it feels natural, do it.
Hewitt and Ancic also have high takebacks, if it feels natural, do it.
Yeah maybe...but coming from you, I could give a damn.
I posted that "the results speaks for themselves" regarding Jolly as a generality. I WAS NOT WRITING THAT POST TO YOU.
You are the one that chimed in with your "brilliance" and took it to his open tournament results which you don't come close to comparing too and it is NOT WHAT I FRICKIN MEANT!!!
GET IT? Is this difficult to understand?
Plus, with that video you posted? You would be hard pressed to get a 3.5 out of me. So, maybe instead of commenting on meaningless things here, you ought to shut your mouth and learn something to help you play better tennis.
Taylor Dent...gotta love So Cal!! ...but my friend said that guy was the best player he'd ever played and knew he was going to have a good career.
On the Jolly subject, I could be mistaken but I am not sure that Jolly rose up through the USTA ranks? I thought he just started playing opens and kind of bypassed USTA all together. I think he may have played juniors but I mean as an adult, I don't think he played it. I think he needs to play USTA as a way to get competition while he is working on his game.
If I were your coach, I would make you play USTA 4.0 league with a group of fun guys. I think that would be a good way for you to find yourself and find your game. You can mix this in with some open tournaments. But playing the 4.0 could help you immensely. It is a good level of tennis but not so tough that you just get blown out and wonder what happened. I know some guys who play 4.0 and they are not bad players by any stretch. Many college players are 4.0s at the smaller schools. It's a good level. I think of 4.0 as being guys who maybe played juniors, high school and in some cases college but weren't obsessed with tennis. Then there are also some very good guys who came the game late or from other sports. I know a 4.0 for example that was hall of fame college basketball. If your ego has a problem with it, tell people you are getting over an injury and want to play your way back into tennis. Tell them you're working on hitting a slice so you want to take it down a notch. Tell them whatever you want! But you can either do something that can help you progress, or you can stall your development.
The thing is, no matter how good a person is on the practice court playing matches are completely different.
On the Jolly subject, I could be mistaken but I am not sure that Jolly rose up through the USTA ranks? I thought he just started playing opens and kind of bypassed USTA all together. I think he may have played juniors but I mean as an adult, I don't think he played it. I think he needs to play USTA as a way to get competition while he is working on his game.
what results? I looked up his results and he's has a 20% winning record...4/20 in open tourneys...losing handily to 4.0/4.5s... I don't see the need for the facade anymore. We all thought you were 5.5 or greater...that's why he's getting so much flak.... Just sell 17 of your 19 racquets. 18/20 of your black shirts, 18/20 of your black polos, 18/20 of your white shirts, 18/20 of your white polos, etc etc... lets bring back TTW to reality!
J
Wow, Hyogen!! never seen you this upset on the boards. Interesting.......
Agree, agree, agree!!! I was actually thinking of posting this yesterday, but was actually a bit tentative to post on this thread again!
Jolly, you may have mentioned it before, but why don't you play leagues? It would give you so much more match play, expose you to so many different types of opponents, and by the time those tournaments roll around, I honestly think you'd be much more prepared!
Reading this post, and a few others on here, I'm going to add my two cents. You seem like you work very hard and you are determined to improve. Tennis is not an easy sport. If I were your coach, I would make you play USTA 4.0 league with a group of fun guys. I think that would be a good way for you to find yourself and find your game. You can mix this in with some open tournaments. But playing the 4.0 could help you immensely. It is a good level of tennis but not so tough that you just get blown out and wonder what happened. I know some guys who play 4.0 and they are not bad players by any stretch. Many college players are 4.0s at the smaller schools. It's a good level. I think of 4.0 as being guys who maybe played juniors, high school and in some cases college but weren't obsessed with tennis. Then there are also some very good guys who came the game late or from other sports. I know a 4.0 for example that was hall of fame college basketball. If your ego has a problem with it, tell people you are getting over an injury and want to play your way back into tennis. Tell them you're working on hitting a slice so you want to take it down a notch. Tell them whatever you want! But you can either do something that can help you progress, or you can stall your development.
The thing is, no matter how good a person is on the practice court playing matches are completely different. And its very hard to just go out there and play against guys who had a baby rattle in one hand and a racquet in the other. That is the level in opens. Sure you will run into an easy draw now and then, but for the most part opens are guys who can play and have been playing. And if its a money event, look out. It is hard to just show up and play these guys.
You may get bored playing USTA, but I bet you don't. If you smoke everyone, you can move up a level. But even then, its just such a good place to work out all of the match drama.
One more thing, as long as you play tennis, you will have the experience of waking up at 5:30 and wondering why you lost a match. That is part of the game! No one can win all of the time. You have to find something else to play for other than winning or losing. Sure everyone wants to win and that is why we are out there, but its not something that is going to happen all of the time. If it does, then you need to move up a level.
It takes guts to post all of your biz on this board. Now go channel this in the right direction and look out.
^^^
I don't think Julieta could put anymore 4.0s in that thread without it being overkill.
Well written Julieta. Jolly could benefit from playing in a 4.0 USTA league.
this is excellent i think....in thinking about this, the pressure will likely actually be greater on Jolly if he plays 4.0's for a while. There is pressure in winning when you are expected to win, or to be competitive when you are supposed to be competitive...playing someone way over your head in an Open event really isnt a lot of pressure because a 4.0 wouldnt expect to have a good result against a much better player..it is good to do once or so just for a reality check.
Yeah, I asked if he was on drugs. Then he said, "maybe doubles." So I got the draw and just shook my head and went to have some beers with him.
I told him, "maybe I can just embarrass myself doing something else?" I said, "we have families, we dont practice as much as these people do, we have jobs, and we aren't 25 years old. Dude, did you see the household names on the darn list?"
Thank goodness a few more beers brought him back down to earth.
I am a strokes coach and all I see is strokes. I dont mess around with rankings, racquets, strings, tournaments, rules, or anything else. If someone posts a video, I just critique the technique.
I lead a pretty simple boring life, I know. Which is probably why I like to bring pain to others perhaps.
Agree, agree, agree!!! I was actually thinking of posting this yesterday, but was actually a bit tentative to post on this thread again!
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I lead a pretty simple boring life, I know.
Thanks man. I am a lousy writer though.
Wait, maybe I shouldn't thank you. You put "Blame It On The Rain" in my head. Damn!
I think he is protecting himself by playing matches he probably won't win, which in the long run is going to stifle his development. But yes, if he plays 4.0, he is going to expect to win, and if he loses, which is quite possible, then he may feel worse. But I think looking at the big picture in the long run he would be better off.
ONE or Zico on the coconut water? I usually buy whatever is on sale, but if equal I like Zico best!!!
Well you got to give him credit since he made 3 finals in the mens open touraments I think last year. .
hope this helps..BTW, both PaulyP and I both excel at being pickled, and I've lately been drinking New Amsterdam Gin in advance of your visit when I usually drink K1 rocks twist <FYI for when you are buying> w. a side of Coconut Water or Emergen-C...dehydrate and rehydrate all at the same time ;O
dont you hate it when you get a song in your head and cant get it out? i've been having this problem with a really stupid song......
"You're too shy de shy....hush hush eye to eye" free Zico to anyone who can name the artist and also help me get this stupid song out of my skull.....bah....and now it is in yours and everyone elses reading this post.......everyone sing..........
I'm a Zico sort of guy, preferring it to VitaCoco. Never had the ONE but am curious what it is like. very little sweetness like Zico or more sweet like VitaCoco????? Maybe try Amazon..they usually have a deal on Zico w. free ship and a discount if you do the auto reorder thing..lately i've been big on Emergen-C
I would be getting that song out of my head as fast as possible too. Mary had a little lamb is an option. Or you could opt for the devil to help you by playing Led Zepplin albums backwards. Something has to happen, no need for humans to suffer that bad.
Good stuff in there Mojo.
They are CONSTANTLY on my ass about the first step thing.
The guy who I have primarily been working with just says flat out, "NO. What you have going on here simply will not cut it."
Some days I am sharper and quicker than others, but I still realize that it is something that needs vast improvement.
RE: The volleying thing. I have never had good hands, but work exceedingly hard at developing a forecourt game especially over the past year, getting coaching, doing lots of volley drilling, and playing dubs.
I will get some video up, but it isn't quite as bad as I make it out to be.
J