If a player wins FO, Wim, USO and AO in a row in that order, meaning the first three in the same year and the AO in the following year.
Is this still considered to be a carrer Slam ?
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I think you are mixing up two terms.
A Grand Slam refers to a player winning all 4 Major tournaments in the same calendar year (e.g. Laver, Graf).
A Career Slam refers to a player winning all 4 Major tournaments over the course of their career (e.g., Agassi).
The one case you give (FO, Wimb, US, AO) was done by Serena a few years ago (2002 - 2003). There was much discussion as to whether that counted as a Grand Slam. The consensus was no.
Career Slam yes. CYGS no.If a player wins FO, Wim, USO and AO in a row in that order, meaning the first three in the same year and the AO in the following year.
Is this still considered to be a carrer Slam ?
Thanks
Well, do TW posters hold more merit for having a Calendar Slam over someone who may hold the title for all 4 grand slams but one of them (AO or USO) was in a different year?
I personally dont feel there is that big of a difference myself. Technically your holding all of the grand slam titles at the same time whether or not you won them all in the same calendar year. Doing that is every bit as hard as a calendar slam, no difference whatsoever.
Good example could be Murray. He went out at the AO semis this year but lets say he turns on fire and wins all 3 remaining slams this year and then the AO next year.
Well, do TW posters hold more merit for having a Calendar Slam over someone who may hold the title for all 4 grand slams but one of them (AO or USO) was in a different year?
I personally dont feel there is that big of a difference myself. Technically your holding all of the grand slam titles at the same time whether or not you won them all in the same calendar year. Doing that is every bit as hard as a calendar slam, no difference whatsoever.
Good example could be Murray. He went out at the AO semis this year but lets say he turns on fire and wins all 3 remaining slams this year and then the AO next year.
grand slam + all 4 in a row in the SAME calendar year. no matter how bad serena wishes otherwise.
career slam = all 4 in your career in no particular order.
Most interesting, thanks for that.I was just watching a Wilander match from '85 W, in which Dan Maskell says that Wilander 'has won the 1st 2 legs of the Grand Slam' even though he really just won the AO from Dec '84 & the FO of that year. So there has been some debate over the definition of 'Grand Slam' in the past.
It wasn't Serena who was pushing the Grand Slam idea after she won 4 in a row. It was started the by the usual commentators (Carillo, PMac) who quickly moved away from that idea and just dubbed it the "Serena Slam".
I think Navratilova also won 4 in a row, but not in the same calendar year.
it is true that a Grand Slam must be in a calendar year, however, if one wins 4 straight majors etc Serena, Tiger in golf.....it is equally impressive
There are three slams...
Career Slam (in your playing career)
Calendar Slam (saying you won the FO and ended with the AO consecutively)
Grand Slam (Starting with AO and ending with USO)