Hey, I liked your post, thanks. I recently bouhgt a reel of Babolat Pro Hurricane (I still dont know why), I have been suffering with shoulder problems. I´d like to know how would you mix this into a hybrid to lessen the stiffness on the Hurricane. I play with Yonex RDiS 100, strung at 58, and I am a 4.5 player. Would thank you for your advice.
The J011yroger guide to strings.
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Try gut mains with Hurricane crosses. I used this for several years. Very soft, decent power and good control.
Edit -> If this lacks in control or is too soft, try Hurricane mains and gut crosses. I believe Roddick uses this combo.
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atennisrand
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Great guide and commendations to the attention to detail and the noob friendly language. Well done 10/10.
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Thanks. Maybe we can get this re-stickied now?
J
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Bud
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It's one of the links in this stickied thread:
Strings/Stringing: FAQ & Popular Topics
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=217127
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davidahenry
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jbm
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Head RIP Control
Also started using Head rip control and am very happy with it. I have always used a tight string bed (63 lbs), but lately dropped it down to 59lbs. My serves are much more consistent with much more kick, however my groundstrokes, particularly my twohanded backhand have become inconsistent. Can you explain and possibly offer suggestions. I would prefer not going up in tension because the increased serve consistency has dramatically increased my winning.
Also started using Head rip control and am very happy with it. I have always used a tight string bed (63 lbs), but lately dropped it down to 59lbs. My serves are much more consistent with much more kick, however my groundstrokes, particularly my twohanded backhand have become inconsistent. Can you explain and possibly offer suggestions. I would prefer not going up in tension because the increased serve consistency has dramatically increased my winning.
J011yroger
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Three questions first before I answer.
1. When did you string it, and how much play do you have on the stringjob?
2. How long does the RIP Control normally last you?
3. When you say your Groundies, esp backhand have become inconsistent, are you spraying the ball, or is it a depth issue?
J
jbm
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Head Rip Control
Current racquet was strung mid April and has about 8 hours of play. A typical RIP string job will last 15 hours over 4 to 6 weeks before breaking or me cutting themout. And the inconsistency is definitely a depth issue.
Current racquet was strung mid April and has about 8 hours of play. A typical RIP string job will last 15 hours over 4 to 6 weeks before breaking or me cutting themout. And the inconsistency is definitely a depth issue.
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jbm
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Head rip control
Certainly more as the strings have some wear on it. But do notice it right a way as well. Maybe it is just a matter of technique, since I have always played with tight strings in the past. Or just maybe there is a magic string out there that would help me with my serve/spin, and also keep my groundies in the court. Again, thanks for your help.
Certainly more as the strings have some wear on it. But do notice it right a way as well. Maybe it is just a matter of technique, since I have always played with tight strings in the past. Or just maybe there is a magic string out there that would help me with my serve/spin, and also keep my groundies in the court. Again, thanks for your help.
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Well the main thing that the string tension changes is the angle that the ball comes off the stringbed at. So your looser tension will launch the ball at a higher angle, causing the ball to fly further.
When I hit with a looser setup, I need to hit with heavier top to keep the ball in the court.
As the stringjob wears it of course looses tension, but with a wound construction in addition to loosing tension, as the string frays where you hit the ball most, it creates hot and cold spots on the stringbed, which can also throw you.
J
chess9
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I haven't read the whole thread yet because I'm afraid the undertaker will arrive before I finish, but herewith a few comments:
1. You are being very very naughty JR, using full poly with wrist problems.
280 made reference to the same issue, as I recall.
2. I have, still, my original string job in my KPS88-Duralast mains at 58, and Conquest crosses at 58. It took about 3 hours of playing with this combo for me to like it. I normally string much lower, but in this stick, higher tensions are better, IMHO.
3. When I string hybrid, I put the poly in the mains and the gut in the crosses. I always break the poly first and right above the center of the racquet and usually on a serve. That hybrid usually lasts anywhere from 4 hours to 20 hours, depending on a host of factors, including the weather (time of year).
4. My favorite string is Big Banger Ace, but I have 5 racquets in use now, am retired, and it's a bit pricey for a string breaker. Cyberflash gets a big nod from me as a second place string.
5. The number one equipment issue for recreational players is that they do NOT appreciate the importance of a string job. This thread has made a small dent in that level of understanding.
-Robert
1. You are being very very naughty JR, using full poly with wrist problems.
280 made reference to the same issue, as I recall. 2. I have, still, my original string job in my KPS88-Duralast mains at 58, and Conquest crosses at 58. It took about 3 hours of playing with this combo for me to like it. I normally string much lower, but in this stick, higher tensions are better, IMHO.
3. When I string hybrid, I put the poly in the mains and the gut in the crosses. I always break the poly first and right above the center of the racquet and usually on a serve. That hybrid usually lasts anywhere from 4 hours to 20 hours, depending on a host of factors, including the weather (time of year).
4. My favorite string is Big Banger Ace, but I have 5 racquets in use now, am retired, and it's a bit pricey for a string breaker. Cyberflash gets a big nod from me as a second place string.
5. The number one equipment issue for recreational players is that they do NOT appreciate the importance of a string job. This thread has made a small dent in that level of understanding.
-Robert
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so, reading the last comment, can i just cut to the chase and string at the mid, or a few points lower, section of the guide with gut, like the babolat 17, and be done with this string issue? not to be ugly, but i don't think i can learn about anything else without getting info overload.:-?
i am not a string breaker, btw. play 3 to 5 times a week, 2 hours or so each...restring 3 to 4 times a year? i know it is pricier than poly, but compared to the costs of some other sports in my house, i feel i can spulge a bit! and the additional impact of a better hit, and sounder arm (thus a happier mind!) greatly outweigh the cost....
i am not a string breaker, btw. play 3 to 5 times a week, 2 hours or so each...restring 3 to 4 times a year? i know it is pricier than poly, but compared to the costs of some other sports in my house, i feel i can spulge a bit! and the additional impact of a better hit, and sounder arm (thus a happier mind!) greatly outweigh the cost....
chess9
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Sounds good to me, but you will miss our obsessive compulsive arguments over tensions, nuances of various polys, and the abrasion characteristics of multifilaments. Are you sure you can live without knowing that important stuff?
-Robert
Power Player
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It's kinda cool at first I guess, but it can get real annoying when all your sticks are being strung and you can't play.
J011yroger
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1. You are being very very naughty JR, using full poly with wrist problems.
-Robert
Wrist has been pretty good for a while (knock wood) and I hurt it at work so I can't blame string for the orig injury.
Last week I dropped off 14 frames with broken stringjobs, so it is either poly or Kevlar for me, as I am right at the point where I can barely afford what I am using now.
J
daslosh247
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Inquiring minds want to know: where can I find 20g strings????
chess9
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Sheezh, and the Social Security Trust Fund looks to be broke by the time you retire.
You could be stringing with NYLON at this rate. -Robert
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Sheezh, and the Social Security Trust Fund looks to be broke by the time you retire.
-Robert
I am strongly considering retiring now. This work thing is seriously interfering with my tennis playing and training, and my social life.
J
jbm
Rookie
Restrung with same string, Head RIP, and have had much better success. Will not wait so long to restring next time. Ordered some Price Recoil just to try. Is it considered a hard multifilament like Head RIP Control? And would you recommend it be strung at my usual tension (59lbs.) or should I drop it a couple of pounds? Thanks.
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Sorry I have never used any PS strings, so I really don't know.
The only multis I have used more than once are NXT Tour, NRG2, and Laserfibre SNG16.
J
The only multis I have used more than once are NXT Tour, NRG2, and Laserfibre SNG16.
J
what do you think about the NXT, NRG2 or SNG? Which one do you think is more durable?
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I like them all very much, the NXT Tour/NRG2 (Basically the same string) is much more durable, but the SNG is far better, actually the best string I have ever used, ever.
Regular NXT, is garbage, but NXT tour is nice.
J
ilian
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What gauge string do you play with and at what tension? 14 frames per week is way too much...
shogun90
Rookie
nop badminton ones are around 21 :twisted:
one question, but from what i gather around this forum, (correct me if im wrong) the mains make up about 80% of the stringbed's playing characteristics, and the cross only 20%. so, if we put a good string, like a bb timo or smth in the main, and a cheap syn gut in the cross, would it make a significant difference compared to lets say, bb timo mains and x-1 biphase cross?
im asking this question because my mains always eat my cross strings, and they die pretty fast, so i am trying to get the most out of my string job-save the most money.
thanks
im asking this question because my mains always eat my cross strings, and they die pretty fast, so i am trying to get the most out of my string job-save the most money.
thanks
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Only you can answer that. Ya have to string a racquet with each, and see if you like the expensive one enough to pay for it. Or if the cheap one isn't that much worse.
It is personal pref.
J
It is personal pref.
J
1 more question jolly: strings usually have an intial tension loss of a few pounds for the first few days, before it settles in. So if I usually string my racket at a certain tension, but I need to play with it a few hours after stringing and I want to get the tension to drop by approximately that initial loss(so that it feels like normal), how do I do it(without jumping on the strings, as a post showed a pro doing it in the pro's racquet and equipment section)?
I was thinking, maybe If I hit some serves,maybe half an hours worth or smth, would that help loosen up the tension significantly?
So basically to sum it all up, im asking if there's a way to speed up the initial tension loss.
I was thinking, maybe If I hit some serves,maybe half an hours worth or smth, would that help loosen up the tension significantly?
So basically to sum it all up, im asking if there's a way to speed up the initial tension loss.
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alidisperanza
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Wow J, I never knew you had the attention span to write more than a paragraph!!
Well done
Well done
andreweric
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Synthetic Gut vs. Multifiliments
I am confused by your explanation. Isn't Synthetic Gut same as Multifiliments (at least many other sites said so)? Could you give some example of both from Prince or Wilson for example?
I am confused by your explanation. Isn't Synthetic Gut same as Multifiliments (at least many other sites said so)? Could you give some example of both from Prince or Wilson for example?
SpinDog
Rookie
This link has a pretty good explanation: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/String/StringReference.html
You'll want to read the sections: "Solid Core with One Outer Wrap" as well as "Multifilament (no wraps)"
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Prince Synthetic Gut Duraflex, is a syn guy. Prince Premier is a Multi.
Wilson Sensation is a syn gut, Wilson NXT Tour is a multi.
J
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Given that they are the same string type, you can either go up 2lb on the mains, or leave them the same as the cross.
It doesn't really matter.
But the theory behind upping the tension on the mains is that the main strings are longer and so strung at the same reference tension they will loose more and be looser once the string settles.
When I play a full job of anything it is just easier for me to do one piece at the same tension.
Where it gets tricky is when you have 2 different string types. Like a poly and a multi, and so you want to string the multi at 1 tension, and maybe the poly at 5% lower, but the poly is on the main so may you want to up that 2lb, and then you don't want either string much tighter than the other because you don't want to mess with the head shape.
My personal recommendation is unless you have a specific reason not to, just string both at the same tension, whatever that tension is.
J
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In order play a pusher gamestyle like I do, you need a great deal of patience.
Did you see the racquet guide?
I think it is even better than the string one, I just wrote the string one because lots of people asked me to.
J
Hey Jolly,
So I was wondering if you could make a suggestion for me. I play with the KPS88, I used to play with the PSC 4.2 which had a flex of 74, and I use Ashway Crossfire 16 Kevlar strings with synthetic cross. Personally I like the feel of them, a little dead, but great bite, and to me great feel. I string the KPS at 54/56 and strung the 4.2 at 58/60, I just love the stiff frames and strings. I also use the K6.1 95 here and there, strung at 56-58.
I have been playing with these strings since I was 13, 19 years, expect for the odd occasion where I would swap in the Prince ProBlend kevlar. I have never had arm problems in the past, and I still go through 3 sets of strings on 3 racquets every 3-6 weeks, either break em or they're dead, depending on the season and how much I play.
I'm a heavy/hard hitter, and what I like about the string is it's pretty dead and takes away some power and the bite gives me good spin. I've tried Lux, it had too much of a trampoline effect for me, Syn sucks, I've tried a few different multi's, mono's, hybrids and poly's that were supposed to be durable and went right through them, I've gone through "durable" sets of babolat, wilson, and prince in under a couple of hours. I broke a set of Pro Hurricane tour and a set of Enduro Pro both in about 1.5 hours, no notches, just popped em. Gut is too powerful and expensive. Needless to say I'm a sting breaker, another reason I stay away from gut, can't afford all the strings.
So here's my problem. I broke my wrist almost two years ago and I have been having some problems with it and my forearm since. The newest problem is I have limited mobility because, As Dr. Gordon says, the specialist who worked on Agassi's wrist, I have a sprained ligament in the wrist, and it's super tight and enflamed causing tendonitis in the forearm, and keeping me from fully bending my wrist, I've got about 70 degree's each way as opposed to the 90-90+ I should have. I actually had a couple months where my hand would tingle and I would lose my grip strength and couldn't even hold a racquet for more then 45 min before it started to hurt.
So since I'm not going to stop playing, just playing less, I am looking to try new strings that will hopefully be a little easier on my wrist/forearm, till it fully heals. I still play a power game, serve in the high 120's to 130's, even though I have the wrist problems. As far as order of importance I would like a string that is easier on the arm, I guess softer, durable, good bite/spin, keeps tension, good feel, and something that doesn't give me the trampoline effect and make the ball shoot off the strings.
So what do you think Jolly, any ideas? I'd love to hear your recommendations. Also, I heard something about a Jolly rig, supposed to be stiff, what is that, and do you think it's something I might have fun with when my wrist heals? Thanks for your time and ideas.
One more thing, any idea where I could find a couple of PSC 4.2's in good/great condition? I loved that racquet and would love to find a couple to throw in my bag again. I know it's stiff as hell and I liked it with kevlar strung tight, but it never bothered my arm and I feel I played my best years of tennis with that stick.
Thanks for any and all your help,
Dave
davede7842@yahoo.com
So I was wondering if you could make a suggestion for me. I play with the KPS88, I used to play with the PSC 4.2 which had a flex of 74, and I use Ashway Crossfire 16 Kevlar strings with synthetic cross. Personally I like the feel of them, a little dead, but great bite, and to me great feel. I string the KPS at 54/56 and strung the 4.2 at 58/60, I just love the stiff frames and strings. I also use the K6.1 95 here and there, strung at 56-58.
I have been playing with these strings since I was 13, 19 years, expect for the odd occasion where I would swap in the Prince ProBlend kevlar. I have never had arm problems in the past, and I still go through 3 sets of strings on 3 racquets every 3-6 weeks, either break em or they're dead, depending on the season and how much I play.
I'm a heavy/hard hitter, and what I like about the string is it's pretty dead and takes away some power and the bite gives me good spin. I've tried Lux, it had too much of a trampoline effect for me, Syn sucks, I've tried a few different multi's, mono's, hybrids and poly's that were supposed to be durable and went right through them, I've gone through "durable" sets of babolat, wilson, and prince in under a couple of hours. I broke a set of Pro Hurricane tour and a set of Enduro Pro both in about 1.5 hours, no notches, just popped em. Gut is too powerful and expensive. Needless to say I'm a sting breaker, another reason I stay away from gut, can't afford all the strings.
So here's my problem. I broke my wrist almost two years ago and I have been having some problems with it and my forearm since. The newest problem is I have limited mobility because, As Dr. Gordon says, the specialist who worked on Agassi's wrist, I have a sprained ligament in the wrist, and it's super tight and enflamed causing tendonitis in the forearm, and keeping me from fully bending my wrist, I've got about 70 degree's each way as opposed to the 90-90+ I should have. I actually had a couple months where my hand would tingle and I would lose my grip strength and couldn't even hold a racquet for more then 45 min before it started to hurt.
So since I'm not going to stop playing, just playing less, I am looking to try new strings that will hopefully be a little easier on my wrist/forearm, till it fully heals. I still play a power game, serve in the high 120's to 130's, even though I have the wrist problems. As far as order of importance I would like a string that is easier on the arm, I guess softer, durable, good bite/spin, keeps tension, good feel, and something that doesn't give me the trampoline effect and make the ball shoot off the strings.
So what do you think Jolly, any ideas? I'd love to hear your recommendations. Also, I heard something about a Jolly rig, supposed to be stiff, what is that, and do you think it's something I might have fun with when my wrist heals? Thanks for your time and ideas.
One more thing, any idea where I could find a couple of PSC 4.2's in good/great condition? I loved that racquet and would love to find a couple to throw in my bag again. I know it's stiff as hell and I liked it with kevlar strung tight, but it never bothered my arm and I feel I played my best years of tennis with that stick.
Thanks for any and all your help,
Dave
davede7842@yahoo.com
Wilson Sensation is a multi, not a syn gut.
