BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I justed wanted to see how many *********s would still vote "No". :-?
If Federer won 100 Grand Slams, would he be the undisputed GOAT?
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Not on this forum......
Sleepstream
Semi-Pro
That'd be one long career.
Yea, I think that someone said, "look, if someone comes along and wins 25 or more grand slams, ya, it's kind of case closed". Federer possibly getting to 14 makes a very strong case, especially if he does it here at the FO.
But even 16-18, which still is within his reach, isn't exactly "case closed".
I mean, "case closed" is kind of defined by what we would think of as an impossible accomplishment. I think that 25 grand slams is basically impossible. It would boggle my mind.
Then again, 20 straight semi-finals is kind of mind-boggling too.
But even 16-18, which still is within his reach, isn't exactly "case closed".
I mean, "case closed" is kind of defined by what we would think of as an impossible accomplishment. I think that 25 grand slams is basically impossible. It would boggle my mind.
Then again, 20 straight semi-finals is kind of mind-boggling too.
JeMar
Legend
Only if Federer accomplishes the following:
1. He beats Nadal in every single round of every single major. The rules will be changed so that Nadal can stay in the tournament even if he loses to Federer once, twice, etc.
2. Both matches have at least three days of rest between them so that Nadal cannot be tired.
3. Nadal doesn't commit a single unforced error so we can know that he was playing well.
4. Federer also cannot commit a single error so we know that he was also playing well and didn't luck his way into a victory.
5. All matches must be on slow clay or slow grass.
6. All matches must be played at sea level.
7. Federer must serve under-handed so that his superior serve doesn't get him free points.
8. There must be no audience so that the crowd is not a factor.
9. Federer must always serve from the sunny side.
10. ???
I think that should be enough.
1. He beats Nadal in every single round of every single major. The rules will be changed so that Nadal can stay in the tournament even if he loses to Federer once, twice, etc.
2. Both matches have at least three days of rest between them so that Nadal cannot be tired.
3. Nadal doesn't commit a single unforced error so we can know that he was playing well.
4. Federer also cannot commit a single error so we know that he was also playing well and didn't luck his way into a victory.
5. All matches must be on slow clay or slow grass.
6. All matches must be played at sea level.
7. Federer must serve under-handed so that his superior serve doesn't get him free points.
8. There must be no audience so that the crowd is not a factor.
9. Federer must always serve from the sunny side.
10. ???
I think that should be enough.
JeMar
Legend
Well, under the rules, his draw would be:
128: Nadal
64: Nadal
32: Nadal
16: Nadal
QF: Nadal
SF: Nadal
F: Nadal
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BigServer1
Legend
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
malakas
Banned
Exactly.And that's only for the first 3 calendar GrandSlams.
For the rest of the calendar GrandSlams,Roger has to invent a time-machine and go back in time to play Sampras and Laver in their PRIME and beat each 10 times,before he can be considered GOAT.
VivalaVida
Banned
ROFL. That was excellent!
oberyn
Professional
Great post. I agree with you re: Federer, but disagree with those posters who seem to be taking it personally that not everyone views Fed and his career accomplishments the same way.
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woodrow1029
Guest
Amen to that!
ThA_Azn_DeViL
Semi-Pro
How can anyone be GOAT when they have a pregnant girlfriend?
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Do you mean 100 (calendar year) Grand Slams, that is all four per year for 100 years, equaling 400 majors?
Well, yes then he would be. But I'll be dead before he finishes in 2110.
DarthFed
Hall of Fame
What?
Well at least there's one match
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Sampras,+Pete&player2=federer
If Agassi was as consistent as Nadal i think he would have won more
Claudius
Professional
BP,
If you really want to know how far Federer haters would go, you should've proposed a plausible number of major wins like 25. I know Federer will probably win about 2-3 more majors, but it amazes me that some people on these boards will still say he's not the GOAT w/ 25 majors. :shock:
I myself am actually not sure whether he is right now, but a win tomorrow will def. make him the GOAT imo.
If you really want to know how far Federer haters would go, you should've proposed a plausible number of major wins like 25. I know Federer will probably win about 2-3 more majors, but it amazes me that some people on these boards will still say he's not the GOAT w/ 25 majors. :shock:
I myself am actually not sure whether he is right now, but a win tomorrow will def. make him the GOAT imo.
Blinkism
Legend
To win a 100 Grand Slams would take 25 years at LEAST (winning the calendar grand slam every year) and by the 16th GS people would get bored of tennis so by the 100th GS tennis would become an obscure sport only watched by the most hardcore of tennis fans and, ofcourse, *******s.
crawl4
Rookie
correction, pregnant wife..
zagor
Bionic Poster
I doubt that there ever will be "undisputed" GOAT,we all have our own theories on who GOAT is and it's hard to compare eras anyway because of equipment,change of conditions and surfaces,competition etc. so I really doubt that there will ever be a definite answer who the best ever is.
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Serendipitous
Guest
What a strange thread........
Well lets say Fed had won a more realistic number like 20 slam titles. Many posters on this board would discredit his accomplishments because of a weak era. The evidence would be that he would face very few players who have a slam title to their name. Its a Catch 22 really, if Fed is too dominant than his opponents are weak because they lack slam titles (because Fed is winning them all), but if Fed is not dominant enough, then it means he is in a strong era (with multiple slam winners), but he's just a good but not great player.
Ambivalent
Hall of Fame
That would be every slam for 25 years.
Cool.
Cool.
M
Morrissey
Guest
If Breakpoint reached 50,000,000 posts would he still have no life?
My guess is no. Life? That's overrated.
My guess is no. Life? That's overrated.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yeah, sure. Sampras went 1,000,000 and 0 in his career, right? :roll:
I guess you missed Sampras' US Open finals against Edberg, Safin, and Hewitt, ans his Aus Open final against Agassi, and his Wimbledon matches against Federer and Krajicek, too.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Well, so far, 44% of the voters voted "No".
This just goes to prove how many *********s there are on this board.
Enough said.
This just goes to prove how many *********s there are on this board.
Enough said.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Well, pros like Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, and Jimmy Connors were still playing into their early 40's, so it's not inconceivable.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
It's possible for him to get to 100 slams, but even if he did, I'd question his GOAT status.
Here's what would hold him back:
His backhand is suspect and he shanks too many forehands.
He needs to switch racquets to whatever the guys here prefer.
He trembles too much, even on his way to winning.
He is a realllly lucky individual.
He's sliiiightly effeminate.
His wife is not really hot enough for most posters here.
He is really classy, but he's also arrogant at times.
He is physically fit and mentally tough enough to win a LOT of matches (100 slams), but deep down, he has too many complexes about macho, tan dudes who are way stronger in spirit, mind and body.
He has a fragrance line. THAT, my friends, is a dealbreaker!
And if that's not good enough for you.....I'll just pull out the serious dealbreaker. One word: MANPURSE.
Case closed.
Game, set, match: Mr. Laver.
Here's what would hold him back:
His backhand is suspect and he shanks too many forehands.
He needs to switch racquets to whatever the guys here prefer.
He trembles too much, even on his way to winning.
He is a realllly lucky individual.
He's sliiiightly effeminate.
His wife is not really hot enough for most posters here.
He is really classy, but he's also arrogant at times.
He is physically fit and mentally tough enough to win a LOT of matches (100 slams), but deep down, he has too many complexes about macho, tan dudes who are way stronger in spirit, mind and body.
He has a fragrance line. THAT, my friends, is a dealbreaker!
And if that's not good enough for you.....I'll just pull out the serious dealbreaker. One word: MANPURSE.
Case closed.
Game, set, match: Mr. Laver.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
If he wins the next 2 Wimbledon and U.S. Open titles (the most important slams IMO), he's the GOAT--at least in number of slams (judging that status on talent is another discussion).
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Yeh, but that would only be like 17 or 18 slams. Not enough, given his poor records against Murray, Djerkovic and Rafa.
Roger is so weak in every other totally subjective category, he'll need over a hundred slams to sniff entry to the International Tennis Hall of Fame. I'm telling you, he needs a larger headed racquet. He's lucky he wears a headband/bandana. Can you imagine how bad his record would be if he still wore hats? Don't even get me started on the other stuff.
zagor
Bionic Poster
That one does it,no real need to list other reasons.Fed's quest to become a GOAT became completely fruitless the day he walked on centre court of Wimbledon carrying a friggin manpurse
.slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Blazer? okay.
Cable knit sweater vest, even. Fine.....it's like Hoad/Laver/ Pancho....cool.
Long pants? Sure, Elly Vines/Fred Perry look. Very sharp, especially given the mild temperatures.
Shoes with his name on them and a bunch of cups? A little much, but...great. It was Phil KNight's doing, let's reckon.
But a quilted, white leather manpurse with a gold NIKE logo?
Sorry, Roger. Love you, man, but....sorry. Take it to the Gay Games in Germany next year. Earn your man card back and we can talk about GOAT status.
EDIT:
Speaking of earning his man card. I've softened my stance on Roger as he's about to become a father. That's one of the most blessed events ever, and I do wish him well. He's already one of the Greatest anyway. I wish him the very best tomorrow.
Allez Rog!
Cable knit sweater vest, even. Fine.....it's like Hoad/Laver/ Pancho....cool.
Long pants? Sure, Elly Vines/Fred Perry look. Very sharp, especially given the mild temperatures.
Shoes with his name on them and a bunch of cups? A little much, but...great. It was Phil KNight's doing, let's reckon.
But a quilted, white leather manpurse with a gold NIKE logo?
Sorry, Roger. Love you, man, but....sorry. Take it to the Gay Games in Germany next year. Earn your man card back and we can talk about GOAT status.
EDIT:
Speaking of earning his man card. I've softened my stance on Roger as he's about to become a father. That's one of the most blessed events ever, and I do wish him well. He's already one of the Greatest anyway. I wish him the very best tomorrow.
Allez Rog!
S H O W S T O P P E R !
Hall of Fame
Honestly I don't think there is a GOAT seeing as there is too many differences in the eras.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Yeah but w/o inter-era debates, this board would be....bored. Wouldn't really exist would it? At least not as we know it.
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1970CRBase
Guest
There isn't a GOAT because logically there can't be!
imo, there's only the best player in a decade or so. Borg in the 70's , Ivan in the 80's, Pete in the 90's. Federer is the best in this decade, and will probably also win the 2009 FO - in the unlikely event Nadal then wins the next 6 slams in a row, in which case it would be tough to call.
But if you really like a Fed or Nadal or any particular player, why not just like him for his tennis, his style, for himself? Why care about the number of things he has or doesn't have? Just enjoy the tennis.
imo, there's only the best player in a decade or so. Borg in the 70's , Ivan in the 80's, Pete in the 90's. Federer is the best in this decade, and will probably also win the 2009 FO - in the unlikely event Nadal then wins the next 6 slams in a row, in which case it would be tough to call.
But if you really like a Fed or Nadal or any particular player, why not just like him for his tennis, his style, for himself? Why care about the number of things he has or doesn't have? Just enjoy the tennis.
GuillermoR
Rookie
I laughed SO hard man. Seriously, just spot on.
Tennis_Bum
Professional
That sounds about right.
Ronny
Hall of Fame
they voted no because we all know its never going to happen
lambielspins
Banned
Nadal has more chance to be the future GOAT than Federer. I am not saying he will, in fact I think it is very unlikely, and even less likely now as he has already missed his shot of a Grand Slam this year which might have been his best. However given his youth and record vs all his main rivals thus far, still more shot than Federer would have of reaching it at this point.
vegeta SSJ4
Banned
no, the likes of blake, davydenko, and nalbandian all have 101 slams exactly
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Then they didn't see the first word in the question of the poll, which is "If".
Thus, *********s will NEVER acknowledge Federer being the GOAT no matter what he achieves, even if he won 100 Grand Slams. :-?
