Confessions from a Fed-fan

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I was so incredibly happy when Roger beat Rafael Nadal in Madrid, and when he won the French Open i was extatic! And when he won Wimbledon i was close to a heart-attack but i also felt that the circle had been closed. I think Roger Federer is the greatest tennisplayer so far in history...

BUT...I hate to admit this... but it REALLY bothers me that he has a 7-13 h2h against his main rival. That he has a 2-6 h2h against Moooorray...that he always (outside of slams) wins the 1st set against Murray and then only God knows what happens...I can understand that a player like Federer wants to mainly focus on the slams, but that shouldnt mean that he repeatedly pretty much gets "owned" by the no2, no3 AND no4 in Masters Series-tournaments and ends up with a really bad h2h against ALL 3 of his main rivals. If you repeatedly loses to your main rivals in MS-tournaments i think its gonna be even harder to beat them when it matters most, in GS.

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Murray knows how to beat Federer. i would class him as favorite if they met at the USO. ;)

BTW, Murray won the first set in Indian Wells.
 
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yeah his h2h with murray is mainly due to the 3 setter tourneys where fed falls apart alot of the time..btw ive read that you used to be like 1100 in singles...thats insanely good man....good on you....your not playing anymore?
his h2h with nadal is because nadal hits it to feds bh alot...but yeah being the GOAT fed should have found a way around this and he obviously hasnt...but there are still plenty fed-nadal matches to come,,hopefully more madrids :)
 
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maximo said:
Murray knows how to beat Federer. i would class him as favorite if they met at the USO. ;)

BTW, Murray won the first set in Indian Wells.
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Yes i know, but before that 3 matches in a row looked the same with Fed winning the 1st set.
Well, i have to admit, i am worried about Murray. If Federer and Murray had never met, and i saw Murray play, then Federer play (not against eachother) i would say that Fed will win easily, but there is something in Murrays game that Fed hates and has huge trouble dealing with.
 
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<3tennis!!! said:
yeah his h2h with murray is mainly due to the 3 setter tourneys where fed falls apart alot of the time..btw ive read that you used to be like 1100 in singles...thats insanely good man....good on you....your not playing anymore?
his h2h with nadal is because nadal hits it to feds bh alot...but yeah being the GOAT fed should have found a way around this and he obviously hasnt...but there are still plenty fed-nadal matches to come,,hopefully more madrids :)
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Yeah i really wish that you are right about that...
Thank you! Im not playing at that level anymore, nowadays just playing club-matches. Practicing like 2-3 hours a week
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
but there is something in Murrays game that Fed hates and has huge trouble dealing with.
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Don't you know?

Since Murray has the best 2 hander in the game, he always goes to Federer's backhand during the rallies since his will break down while Murray's won't. ;) That's the only reason. Nadal and Djokovic have done the exact same thing.
 
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maximo said:
Don't you know?

Since Murray has the best 2 hander in the game, he always goes to Federer's backhand during the rallies since his will break down while Murray's won't. ;) That's the only reason. And Nadal and Djokovic have done the exact same thing.
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Well yes i DO know what i meant was that i cant understand how it can work everytime, Fed needs to change his tactics against Murray and dont fall in the same pits every time. He needs to attack Murray constantly like last years Us Open...And if Roddick can out-backhand Murray then Federer must be able to do it as well.:shock:
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Well yes i DO know what i meant was that i cant understand how it can work everytime, Fed needs to change his tactics against Murray and dont fall in the same pits every time. He needs to attack Murray constantly like last years Us Open...And if Roddick can out-backhand Murray then Federer must be able to do it as well.:shock:
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murray varies it to feds bh tho, fed can get into the groove against roddick, and is obvioulsy quite confident against him
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Well yes i DO know what i meant was that i cant understand how it can work everytime, Fed needs to change his tactics against Murray and dont fall in the same pits every time. He needs to attack Murray constantly like last years Us Open...And if Roddick can out-backhand Murray then Federer must be able to do it as well.:shock:
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Murray knows how to beat Federer now. Last years USO doesn't mean much because since then all the matches were taken by Murray. Also, the main reason why he won so convincingly was because Murray returned badly and he was being waay too defensive when compared to the Nadal match where he went out all guns blazing. And when did Roddick out backhand him?? From what i can remember he kept going to the Murray forehand.
 
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maximo said:
Murray knows how to beat Federer now. Last years USO doesn't mean much because since then all the matches were taken by Murray. Also, the main reason why he won so convincingly was because Murray returned badly and he was being waay too defensive when compared to the Nadal match where he went out all guns blazing. And when did Roddick out backhand him??
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murray returned well that match, fed only hit 3 aces the entire match
 
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<3tennis!!! said:
well yeah its obvious, look how worse fed serves against murray/nadal than against roddick. hes just so much more relaxed against roddick and its when he plays his best...when hes relaxed:)
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Yeah, he has to pretend its Roddick on the other side when he serves to Murray or Nadal
 
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maximo said:
Murray knows how to beat Federer now. Last years USO doesn't mean much because since then all the matches were taken by Murray. Also, the main reason why he won so convincingly was because Murray returned badly and he was being waay too defensive when compared to the Nadal match where he went out all guns blazing. And when did Roddick out backhand him?? From what i can remember he kept going to the Murray forehand.
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In Wimbledon Roddick won a lot of Backhand duels, outbackhanded him? Ok that was a little excageration maybe...
But what says that Murray wont be as defensive as he was in Wimbledon against Roddick?? I think he tightens up in GS? Ive never seen him so defensive as he was in Wimby. And, he really shouldnt be able to suceed against Federer with his tactics every friggin time...
 
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Well that's tennis and as much competition there is, the better it is for tennis. Well I am not a Fed fan but even I can admit what that guy has and continues to do is simply out of this world. Every players have some critics that would like to point out some negative aspects (irrespective of how successfl you turn out to be). If I were you, I would enjoy Fed winning everything under the sun and wish him best of luck (instead of looking for some small holes that you don't appreciate).

He is on a 19 match winning streak, has won 3 out of the last 4 slams, and has 15 slams under his belt (in addition to just getting back his number one spot). I mean, any other fan would love his favorite to have even half the success of Fed, and they would be very very happy for their player.

That's what I will do, when Murray dominates the tour. :)
 
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maximo said:
BUT he wasn't aggressive when returning. And so Federer controlled the points with ease.
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yeah he stood a ridiculously long way back to return serve, no way to be aggresive when your standing there, his own fault really. but fed did play very very well that match
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
In Wimbledon Roddick won a lot of Backhand duels, outbackhanded him? Ok that was a little excageration maybe...
But what says that Murray wont be as defensive as he was in Wimbledon against Roddick?? I think he tightens up in GS? Ive never seen him so defensive as he was in Wimby. And, he really shouldnt be able to suceed against Federer with his tactics every friggin time...
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The way he played at Queens really was sooo much better. Yes, Murray does tighten up in GS. But he will learn to deal with it in time. And the USO seems to be the perfect place to loosen up.
 
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Well that's tennis and as much competition there is, the better it is for tennis. Well I am not a Fed fan but even I can admit what that guy has and continues to do is simply out of this worl. Every players have some critics that would like to point out some negative aspects (irrespective of how successfl you turn out to be). If I were you, I would enjoy Fed winning everything under the sun and wish him best of luck (instead of looking for some small holes that you don't appreciate).

He is on a 19 match winning streak, has won 3 out of the last 4 slams, and has 15 slams under his belt (in addition to just getting back his number one spot). I mean, any other fan would love his favorite to have even half the success of Fed, and they would be very very happy for their player.

That's what I will do, when Murray dominates the tour. :)
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Oh well absolutely! I totally agree with you! But mankind works that way, if you have a lot you often ask for even more, i AM extremely happy about what he has accomplished i just wish the Nadal and Murray fans didnt have this advantage...:)
 
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aggresive murray is exciting, but his usual pushing crap with fh slice and waiting for mistakes(see wimby 09) bores most sane people to hell
 
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maximo said:
Did you read my previous posts? I'm speaking about the USO last year here. And since then Murray has crushed your beloved one 4 consecutive times.
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He didnt crush him.
 
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maximo said:
Did you read my previous posts? I'm speaking about the USO last year here. And since then Murray has crushed your beloved one 4 consecutive times.
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6-2,7-5,6-2 is crushing someone.
 
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Murray plays aggressive against passive players. If you watch Murray against Roddick at Qatar open you see roddick was relying too much on net play (even though that's what he does most). So Murray could abuse him with passes as he wishes. But what changed at Wimbledon semi final was that Roddick was hitting off the ground better and was setting up better approach shots. Unlike Murray, Roddick didn't let their previous meeting affect their current. Which goes to show h2h means nothing especially in slams where anything can happen
 
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Murray is as or even more talented than Federer, that's why, their matches will always be interesting from now on with the more talented player winning more often.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
I was so incredibly happy when Roger beat Rafael Nadal in Madrid, and when he won the French Open i was extatic! And when he won Wimbledon i was close to a heart-attack but i also felt that the circle had been closed. I think Roger Federer is the greatest tennisplayer so far in history...

BUT...I hate to admit this... but it REALLY bothers me that he has a 7-13 h2h against his main rival. That he has a 2-6 h2h against Moooorray...that he always (outside of slams) wins the 1st set against Murray and then only God knows what happens...I can understand that a player like Federer wants to mainly focus on the slams, but that shouldnt mean that he repeatedly pretty much gets "owned" by the no2, no3 AND no4 in Masters Series-tournaments and ends up with a really bad h2h against ALL 3 of his main rivals. If you repeatedly loses to your main rivals in MS-tournaments i think its gonna be even harder to beat them when it matters most, in GS.

Thoughts?? (Nadal/Sampras-fans behave!!)
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it's a tough life being a federer fan
 
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Murray is as or even more talented than Federer, that's why, their matches will always be interesting from now on with the more talented player winning more often.
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No, absolutely not, Murray is a physical monster, Federer is not...really.
 
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Credit is due but it won't be fully exploited until its a best of 5 match
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Yeah i agree with that, winning a 3-setter is like being in the lead at half-time. (comparing with football or basketball)
 
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<3tennis!!! said:
sorry, all im saying is fed didnt play his best, even you might have been able to see that
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In the YEC and Madrid he played the same as he did at the USO. You're just coming up with garbage excuses. Since when does a 'GOAT' choke in 4 matches, is that even possible? :lol:
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
Or even better, lets see what happens in NYC, then we can talk.
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Damn then its a lot tougher ;)

Federer at the slams is the best player in the history of the sport and if Murray does beat him (either in the semi or the final), and ends up winning the slam, then I will go ballistic!!!
 
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maximo said:
In the YEC and Madrid he played the same as he did at the USO. You're just coming up with garbage excuses. Since when does a 'GOAT' choke in 4 matches, is that even possible? :lol:
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Federer was not even close to his performance at US open 2008 at Madrid and YEC you do remember he had a back injury
 
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<3tennis!!! said:
yeah, we can really only start talking when it comes GS time, for some reason fed doesnt really place much importance in masters these days
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Absolutely! Yeah i know, hasnt won a MS on HC sice 2007...i think its time in either Montreal or CIncy, and he has basically no points at all to defend from last year in those 2 tournaments.
 
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Damn then its a lot tougher ;)

Federer at the slams is the best player in the history of the sport and if Murray does beat him (either in the semi or the final), and ends up winning the slam, then I will go ballistic!!!
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Yeah, if Murray beats Fed at the Us Open i will mourn for a week, then i will be ready to give huge credit to him...
 
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