What's with the Williams Sisters hate?

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Chadwixx said:
Its negative publicity, not good for the sport. This guy probably believes the press from the mlb steroid scandal was good for the sport because people were talking about it.
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What is the old addage.....There is no such thing as bad press. If more people are watching because of the expectation of a repeat is that bad for the sport? It does not matter how you fill the seats as long as you fill them. I know people who long thought tennis was a cissy or soft sport and began watching after all the press about the incident.
 
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SLD76 said:
Secondly, you are comparing apples and oranges. Serena had *one* bad on court outburst that went way beyond general complaining/griping during a match. Yes it was bad and as I watched it go down I told my friend , who was outraged for Serena, that Serena was way out of line.

However, how does that diminish Justine's past actions which are well documented , and blatant?

And it also does *not* absolve Justine of any of her past shenanigans. She will always be known imo, except by her most diehard fans, as someone with dubious on court integrity.
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To my knowledge, the 2003 French Open semifinal is the ONLY "shenanigan" Williams fans harp on in regards to Henin. The difference being, that the 2003 incident pales in comparison to Serena's 2009 incident. We know this because Henin wasn't fined, admonished or placed on probation by her ruling tennis body. In fact, for everything Henin has been accused over the years, she has never been admonished, fined or placed on probation by her ruling tennis body.

Serena should have suspended. She was given a pass.
 
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TMF: did it ever occur to you that Justine not owning up to holding her hand up is cheating, whether the ump saw it or not?


To my knowledge, the 2003 French Open semifinal is the ONLY "shenanigan" Williams fans harp on in regards to Henin.
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Ummmmmmmmmmm, I'm pretty sure I said Justine's shenanigans in general, not her shenanigans regarding Serena. To reiterate what I said: yes Serena's outburst was inexusable( I for one felt she should have missed the AO), but it doesnt diminish Justine's on court shenanigans(i.e. cheating, bad sportsmanship, lack of on court integrity). Shenanigans meaning, any incident displaying the behavior I mentioned, regardless of opponent, which includes the FO 2003, and AO 06 final.

And no, the FO 2003 *isnt* the only shenanigan. 3 years after the FO I was floored when with 2 games left to end the match .. a FINAL of a slam. And a final wherein her opponent would be winning her maiden slam, she decided to snatch the ability of the player to play a match point away and retire.

That was truly classless and I was stunned. The fact that the match was clearly almost over and she couldnt be bothered to gut out a few more games and let the player get their win the old fashioned way was in very bad form, imo. I was as shocked and appalled by her behavior as I was by Serena's outburst. And before u get riled up, no they are not the same thing and Serena should have been punished more..but both are inexcusable.
 
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brickhousesupporter said:
What is the old addage.....There is no such thing as bad press. If more people are watching because of the expectation of a repeat is that bad for the sport? It does not matter how you fill the seats as long as you fill them. I know people who long thought tennis was a cissy or soft sport and began watching after all the press about the incident.
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many people (including me) cancelled thier USTA memberships in protest of Serena's disgusting behavior, and the USTA's subsequent lack of suspending her.
 
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brickhousesupporter said:
That match was the most watched.....I said that Serena's outburst was covered more. It was on every major sportspage, new channel and morning show etc.
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Nothing this generation has produced is bigger than Riggs vs King. Nothing. Riggs vs King was the most watched, most attended, most talked about, most relived tennis match in the history of tennis. You are dead wrong.
 
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SLD76 said:
TMF: did it ever occur to you that Justine not owning up to holding her hand up is cheating, whether the ump saw it or not?
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Uhmmm. No. It is not cheating. Go learn the rules. Anyone could ask for time. It is not automatic that they will be granted the time out.
 
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drakulie said:
many people (including me) cancelled thier USTA memberships in protest of Serena's disgusting behavior, and the USTA's subsequent lack of suspending her.
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Unfortunately for you, Tennis like all sports is a revolving door. When someone leaves another can come in and talk their place. I bet they hardly did not even notice you were gone.
 
SLD76

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Draks: you are being disengenuous and you know it. The woman flat out lied when she denied/ failed to answer 'yes' when the ump asked her if she had her hand up during the service motion.

In short, she cheated, end of story.
 
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Chadwixx said:
May wanna ask tiger about that :)
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Now when Tiger comes back and snatches those other golfers up the press will be kissing his behind again. See what Serena did, She came back stronger than ever and determined to rub salt in the haters wound. Serena gets the last laugh.....the check, the title and everything in between.
 
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SLD76 said:
Draks: you are being disengenuous and you know it. The woman flat out lied when she denied/ failed to answer 'yes' when the ump asked her if she had her hand up during the service motion.

In short, she cheated, end of story.
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that is called lying>>> not cheating. Like I said, go learn the rules. Even if a player requests time, does not mean the chair, or opposing player has to give it to her.

In this case, Serena decided to take advantage of a unprepared player, and got burned. Tuff.
 
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Unprepared? Did you see the footage? Serena was in full wind up when Justine put her hand up! You can see in the tape, serena immediately after the serve looks over to the chair like "why didnt he automatically say 'repeat first serve?"
 
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SLD76 said:
TMF: did it ever occur to you that Justine not owning up to holding her hand up is cheating, whether the ump saw it or not?



Ummmmmmmmmmm, I'm pretty sure I said Justine's shenanigans in general, not her shenanigans regarding Serena. To reiterate what I said: yes Serena's outburst was inexusable( I for one felt she should have missed the AO), but it doesnt diminish Justine's on court shenanigans(i.e. cheating, bad sportsmanship, lack of on court integrity). Shenanigans meaning, any incident displaying the behavior I mentioned, regardless of opponent, which includes the FO 2003, and AO 06 final.

Read what I wrote, not what you wish to be.
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I read what you wrote and my opinion hasn't changed.

Henin retired from a tennis match in the 2006 AO final. She claimed she was ill. Can you prove otherwise? What shenanigan?

FO 2003, that was a total screw-up by the chair umpire. It wasn't Henin's job to officiate that match.

Why are you trying to debate "lack of court integrity" "bad sportsmanship" when we all saw this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO_jlXjgxN8
 
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SLD76 said:
Serena was in full wind up when Justine put her hand up!
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your point? How many players stop their serve on a bad toss, or when a ball from an opposing court rolls into the court, or when a fan yells out?

You saying she is incapable?

brickhousesupporter said:
And they don't miss Indian Wells....It is a win win situation for everyone involved.......Why do you keep bringing it up......Do you miss them?
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actually, they do miss Indian Wells, which is why they bring up that incident from time to time.

SLD76 said:
Unprepared? Did you see the footage? Serena was in full wind up when Justine put her hand up! You can see in the tape, serena immediately after the serve looks over to the chair like "why didnt he automatically say 'repeat first serve?"
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because the chair ump didn't see it. More-over, doesn't have to grant the time out. What are you failing to understand?
 
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brickhousesupporter said:
Now when Tiger comes back and snatches those other golfers up the press will be kissing his behind again. See what Serena did, She came back stronger than ever and determined to rub salt in the haters wound. Serena gets the last laugh.....the check, the title and everything in between.
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Tiger has already lost, his sponsors (primary money maker) all bailed.

Serena did it to herself, making her seem like a triumpant hero only shows your blind fanboyism for her. She shouldnt of been allowed to play the AO but the wta put potential ratings above the integrity of the sport. Anyone else would of been defaulted after the first outburst and suspended. Its a disgrace on behalf of the wta.
 
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brickhousesupporter said:
And they don't miss Indian Wells....It is a win win situation for everyone involved.......Why do you keep bringing it up......Do you miss them?
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I know IW is one of my favorite tournaments because i dont have to watch a juiced up tranny on my tv for half the tournament :) Win/win indeed, just wish the rest of the year were this good.
 
SLD76

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Its not a debate. Pretty much every tennis pundit on the planet called Justine out for the FO and for the AO as well as Serena for the USO.

Its only a debate to you.

When the AO match was going down, illness or not, all the commentators were saying how 'unfortunate' it was that Henin couldnt hang on to give Mauresmo a chance to hear Game. Set. Match. And 'unfortunate' is commentator-speak for classless and bad form. And believe me, that was the talk for ages about Henin. Thats why during the Wimbledon final so much was made that at least that time Momo got to actually 'win' the match. Its not a debate, its common knowledge that justine has shown dubious on court integrity. Do you even know what bad form means?

Then again, given your position in this thread, Im not suprised if you don't. :-?

because the chair ump didn't see it
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Lets continue this train of logic. So the ump can do two things. He can say I didnt see it play on, no debates no appeals.

Or he can say well, I didnt see it but let me ask the other player if they had their hand up. Cant it be reasonably inferred from the second scenario that the time would have been granted if the Umo had seen it , else why bother asking the other player? And if the other player lies.....

See how thats cheating now?
 
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MotherMarjorie

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SLD76 said:
Draks: you are being disengenuous and you know it. The woman flat out lied when she denied/ failed to answer 'yes' when the ump asked her if she had her hand up during the service motion.

In short, she cheated, end of story.
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Yep, she cheated her way to four French Open titles. Everyone knows the only way you can win four French Open titles is to cheat. Yep.
 
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Chadwixx said:
I know IW is one of my favorite tournaments because i dont have to watch a juiced up tranny on my tv for half the tournament :) Win/win indeed, just wish the rest of the year were this good.
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Ooh another typical case of I ran out of debatable points, so I am going to attack the player. How about you post your picture and let us have a go at you.
 
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Chadwixx said:
Actually drak is the GOAT of these forums, you just joined today :) His forum cred > yours
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Forum cred.....who give a damn about forum cred. What are we in high school? I could care less if anyone here like me or not, but I am not just going to have people spouting off random stuff without backing it up. I will challenge them on every occasion, like it or not. If you can't provide evidence then it is most like a person opinion and you know what they say about those.
 
SLD76

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MM: Can you read? Please stop putting arguments in my mouth.

Where did I say Justine isnt a champion? Where did I say she only won the FO( or any title ) b/c she cheated her way there? Where in any of this thread did I even imply that? Did I say Justine is classless and has dubious on court integrity? Damn right, and the facts bear that out! Did I say Serena was wrong for the USO and that she deserved to be suspended for the AO? Damn right, and Im *sure* you would agree the facts bear that out.

See, unlike you, I dont make hyperbolic false claims about players I dont care for. When they are right I give them credit, when they are wrong I call them on it. In short, Im everything that Serena-haters/Justine-****s are not-objective.

So is Justine a champion? Yes. Is she the best clay courter of her generation? Yes. Does she not improve the WTA by leaps and bounds by unretiring? Yes Has she won all her titles by her own merit? Yes Has she been a gracious competitor all the way? Hell no. Has Serena been a gracious competitor all the way? Hell no.

Is she(Justine) a likeable player? Imo, no. Is she a good sportswoman? Hell no, imo. Do I care for her as a player? No. But that doesnt blind me to her good nor drive me to spew vitriol either. If for no other reason that 1) Justine could give a flying baguette what I think and 2) why would I waste my energy on her like that?
 
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brickhousesupporter said:
The fact that they don't play it every year and are more than willing to take the points hit. What else you need I got more if you want.
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and yet serena is always complaining about not being number 1 (point hit). why complain if you are willing to take point hits, or being fined?
 
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drakulie said:
Did Serena see her put her hand up or not?
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She didn't see her hand up until right before she made contact with the ball AFTER her service motion. Understand? :roll: Justine denied she ever put her hand up. The ball went straight into the net. How many 1st serves does Serena net?! Just about never. So, like I said. Watch the video. As, Serena started her service motion, Justine's hand was not up. When Serena was just about to make contact with the ball, Justine put her hand up and Serena netted a 1st serve which is very atypical of her.
 
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drakulie said:
many people (including me) cancelled thier USTA memberships in protest of Serena's disgusting behavior, and the USTA's subsequent lack of suspending her.
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No, not many people canceled their memberships over that incident. :roll: If you did, you're more pathetic than I imagined. If Justine had done this, there is no way would I want her, the defending champion and world No.1 not be able to defend her slam and I am no fan at all. The people complaining about her not being suspended are just mad because they didn't want her to win more slams, LOL. That's what that's about.
 
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SLD76 said:
Did I say Justine is classless and has dubious on court integrity? Damn right, and the facts bear that out!.
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Your ignorance is what is at question. You have yet to prove that Henin wasn't ill when she retired from the '06 AO finals, and you're ignorance of the rules of professional tennis leads you to believe that something unsighted by a chair umpire is the responsibility of the player to call. What the "F" is wrong with YOU!?
SLD76 said:
See, unlike you, I dont make hyperbolic false claims about players I dont care for. When they are right I give them credit, when they are wrong I call them on it. In short, Im everything that Serena-haters/Justine-****s are not-objective.
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You are a legend in your own mind.
SLD76 said:
Is she(Justine) a likeable player? Imo, no. Is she a good sportswoman? Hell no, imo. Do I care for her as a player? No.
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No ****. Like any of us couldn't tell that.
 
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G1PlAyer2 said:
She didn't see her hand up until right before she made contact with the ball AFTER her service motion. Understand? :roll:
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Hmmm. So perhaps she needs to keep her eye on the ball and not worry about what her opponent is doing.


brickhousesupporter said:
I don't have that button. All I have is quote, multiquote and quick reply.
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Like I said,,,, I'll let you know when I grant you permission to edit your posts.
 
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drakulie said:
Hmmm. So perhaps she needs to keep her eye on the ball and not worry about what her opponent is doing.




Like I said,,,, I'll let you know when I grant you permission to edit your posts.
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Wow, you're a moron. If Serena had continued serving, and hit an ace. Justine could have argued she wasn't ready and that ace would have been taken away from her. It wouldn't be a time violation, so more than likely that ace if Serena had hit one would have been revoked and Serena would have had to serve again. So, in theory, Serena could have been a bad sportswoman, and disregarded that Justine had her hand up and hit a good 1st serve that was an ace or unreturnable. But, like I said, Justine would have surely argued that she wasn't ready for the serve. So, what are you talking about?
 
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SLD76 said:
Justine is the most sportsmanlike woman in the world and should win a nobel peace prize.
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I would not be surprised in the least if one of the locals posted such a laughably insane notion.


Chad: yup, just how connors, McEnroe, and Nastase ruined tennis. Gimme a frikkin break.
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Excellent point; back in the day, guys like Drysdale thought McEnroe and Connors were terrible for the sport for their frequent displays of...real behavior, yet they were and are legends. Quite clearly, their behavior did not hurt the sport toany degree, as they helped fuel the famed "Tennis Boom" period. Somehow, the locals of this board want to erase history in favor of their morally bankrupt fantasy of so-called "accepted" behavior (yet in TMF's case, conveniently ignores this when it comes to Sharapova, et al).
 
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G1PlAyer2 said:
The people complaining about her not being suspended are just mad because they didn't want her to win more slams, LOL. That's what that's about.
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No.

The people complaining about Serena not being suspended are probably the same bunch who thinks the ATP should be investigated for not suspending Agassi after a failed drug test.

The punishment didn't fit the crime.
 
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drakulie said:
would love to see you prove it.
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How could I prove something so hypothetical? Anyway, the proof is in the pudding. Justine put her hand up in the middle of Serena's service motion and denied she did it. If Justine did nothing wrong and you still choose to believe so, then why did she deny she put her hand up? It came straight out of her mouth? She put her hand up and denied she did it. Do you deny she did it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb8w5_i6wms

That is the clip again. Proof is in the pudding as well and a video is worth a million words. It's not like Justine put her hand up before Serena served. Her hand was up in the middle of Serena's service motion and Serena could have continued to serve but Justine could have argued she wasn't ready. If Serena was like Justine, she could have served it anyway which she probably should have done considering the outcome. :roll: You haters and some of you other racists are something else.
 
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