Popularity of Williams sisters on TW...

Do you like the Williams sisters enough to watch them on TV?

  • Yes, and I am male

    Votes: 47 25.8%
  • No, and I am a male

    Votes: 97 53.3%
  • Yes, and I am female

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • No, and I am female

    Votes: 6 3.3%
  • Don't really care either way (and I am male)

    Votes: 28 15.4%
  • Don't really care either way (and I am female)

    Votes: 2 1.1%

  • Total voters
    182
This is completely correct, and rather unfortuanate. If the public knew more about players like Davydenko and Nalbandian, I think that the interest in tennis would grow. Many WS fans may not like to hear this, but their matches are usually very dull. This is not their fault but rather that of their opponents; Serena is basically at a completely different level to her opponenents. Compare the average WS match (basically errorfests with Serena bludgeoning the ball past opponents) to a match of Federer or Nadal or even Roddick in terms of entertainment and I think you'll agree that it is something that the US tennis media needs to address.

Speak for yourself!

I'd prefer to watch WS matches over those three (especially Roddick :eek:)
 

Joe Pike

Banned
IMO the original question is of limited importance, ie the "popularity" of the WS. The reality is they are extremely newsworthy. They are "popular" the way McEnroe was "popular", that is, plenty of folks liked and disliked him, but everyone had an opinion, which is great for tennis, especially among folks who don't follow tennis closely, ie the majority of the audience.


Why is it great for tennis when folks who don't follow tennis closely have an opinion on the WS?
I'd say that those folks are irrelevant for tennis.
 
Why is it great for tennis when folks who don't follow tennis closely have an opinion on the WS?
I'd say that those folks are irrelevant for tennis.

It's irrelevant for tennis to try to bring in new fans and have players that bring eyes to the sport? Great logic as always.
 

Joe Pike

Banned
It's irrelevant for tennis to try to bring in new fans and have players that bring eyes to the sport? Great logic as always.


You were talking about folks "who don't follow tennis closely".
I don't think those folks buy tickets for tournaments.
Maybe you do - but, honestly, who else?
 
You were talking about folks "who don't follow tennis closely".
I don't think those folks buy tickets for tournaments.
Maybe you do - but, honestly, who else?

Really? A majority of people who follow any sport don't actually get the chance to go and see said sport live. Bringing in the casual fan is important for the success of any sport.
 

LuckyR

Legend
Why is it great for tennis when folks who don't follow tennis closely have an opinion on the WS?
I'd say that those folks are irrelevant for tennis.

Because they might turn on their TV and watch a Slam Final that featured one of the three tennis players they are familiar with (instead of Wheel of Fortune) and boost the share of the rating of the match, which would increase the ad revenue of the network, who would be more motivated to feature more tennis match time.

You are way too short sighted.
 

Joe Pike

Banned
Because they might turn on their TV and watch a Slam Final that featured one of the three tennis players they are familiar with (instead of Wheel of Fortune) and boost the share of the rating of the match, which would increase the ad revenue of the network, who would be more motivated to feature more tennis match time.

You are way too short sighted.


I don't casual sports fans watch women's tennis anymore.
Those times are long gone, the 80s or 90s won't come back (when they had big TV ratings).
 

LDVTennis

Professional
What if Venus and Serena decide to play IW again, do you think attendance will increase or decline?

Frankly, I don't know.

The tournament is nearly at capacity now. To become any bigger, they need to find the parking spots first.

If I had to speculate, I might say their presence would only serve to increase attendance at the margins by a few hundred people.

Even in their early days, they were just not that popular at IW. I sat in a near empty stadium once to watch a night match featuring Serena Williams. She had a lead in that night from the immensely-popular Andre Agassi. (Steffi was even in his box. I know I nearly ran into her rushing to my seat.) The crowd cleared out after his match.

Personally, I also wonder how Venus and Serena would be received once the luster of their return wears off. You see many of the same people who were in the box seats for the 2001 women's final are still there. The Williams' family called those people racists. The local paper, that stirred up the controversy the night after Venus withdrew from the semi-final, would be first in line to remind them of that fact.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
Total past attendance at IW:

http://www.bnpparibasopen.com/Media/Attendance.aspx
2009: 332,498
2008: 331,269
2007: 303,398
2006: 270,453


http://www.bnpparibasopen.com/Media/Press-Room.aspx
"Last year more than 332,000 fans passed through the gates, making it the fifth most attended tennis tournament in the world and the most attended next to the four Grand Slams."

IW has men and women at the tournament so it is hard to separate
out the attendance increase attributions.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
I suspect TW is a male dominated tennis board and therefore is not a good
representation of the WTA fanbase. There does seem to be a number of
males on TW that have crushes on some of the WTA players.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Since you were the one who mentioned about the slam, you provide the fact/evidence, not LDVTennis.

Oh, you sad, little boy. Always trying to wear the big man pants in your fits of reading comprehension disaster. The slams were a factor referred to in the Bernstein piece, so the effects of the WS in relation to the majors (the most important event for all professional parties involved) is one of the only relevant factors here, not IW--which was not mentioned, and it would not be, considering they do not play the event, therefore (drum roll, please) IW was not a subject.

Ooops! Missed the details again, right troll?

LOL..you are so clueless. Not only that you don't watch tennis

The good stuff is always worth another look:

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^ That's all anyone needs to know about you as a member of this board: you do not even know recent tennis history, which means you certainly do not watch it. If not for your daily ritual of salivating with the mere mention of Federer, no one would know much about you--other than your dangerous hatred of the Williams family.

Never the sharp one around here, are you?
 
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Raiden

Hall of Fame
Interesting. Which WTA players come up short in the personality department?
All of them.

When was the last time you heard any WTA player say or do something that shows personality?

And no, being a b*tch is not the definition of "personality". I'm aware that some of the players are obviously more b*tchy than the others but basically they're all bland, boring and clueless. Serena has in fact admitted to Oprah recently that she gets bored all day all the time. She doesn't know what to do. i presume that's more or less the same for the others. They were all basically uneducated/illiterate kids when they started to play tennis. Tennis is all they know and all they did ever since they grew their 2nd teeth.

The only exception to that is Andrea Petkovic and may be Vera "smart ass" Zvonareva. Very unusually for a female tennis player, Petko is spontaneous and witty and irreverent and has more sense of humor than the combined rest of the square 'n frigid world of WTA. And that's cuz she had a well rounded upbringing. I think only she went to a "normal" school and graduated before starting to play full time tennis. The others are all Bollettieri's or other tennis-factory products, that's why they behave like machines
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All of them.

When was the last time you heard any WTA player say or do something that shows personality?

And no, being a b*tch is not the definition of "personality". I'm aware that some of the players are obviously more b*tchy than the others but basically they're all bland, boring and clueless. Serena has in fact admitted to Oprah recently that she gets bored all day all the time. She doesn't know what to do. i presume that's more or less the same for the others. They were all basically uneducated/illiterate kids when they started to play tennis. Tennis is all they know and all they did ever since they grew their 2nd teeth.

The only exception to that is Andrea Petkovic. Only she is spontaneous and witty and irreverent and has more sense of humor than the combined rest of the square 'n frigid world of WTA. And that's cuz she had a well rounded upbringing. I think only she went to a "normal" school and graduated before starting to play full time tennis. The othes are all Bollettieri or other factory products
.

I think there's plenty of personalities on tour. The WTA just does a horrible job of promoting them.
 
jerriy makes a useful point, which is that there are just too many not very likeable players on the women's tour. I'm always struck by the disdain with which most of them (barely) shake hands at the end of the match, in sharp distinction to the men who for the most part shake hands like colleagues who've just been through a shared ordeal. Really hard to warm up to most of the ladies.
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
I do believe that some of the lower ranked players are no doubt full of personality but since WTA isn't gonna pay them any attention we will never find out about them.
 

LuckyR

Legend
I don't casual sports fans watch women's tennis anymore.
Those times are long gone, the 80s or 90s won't come back (when they had big TV ratings).

You are correct that the Golden Age of Tennis is long gone in the US. You incorrect, however that close to 100% of the TVs turned on the Network coverage of Slam Finals is from homes of avid tennis freaks.
 

li0scc0

Hall of Fame
My wife and I watch every Women's match we can....UNLESS the Williams sisters are playing. If they are playing, we won't watch. I dislike their attitudes and general temperament (although Venus has been 'classier' of late with regards to temperament)
 

li0scc0

Hall of Fame
jerriy makes a useful point, which is that there are just too many not very likeable players on the women's tour. I'm always struck by the disdain with which most of them (barely) shake hands at the end of the match, in sharp distinction to the men who for the most part shake hands like colleagues who've just been through a shared ordeal. Really hard to warm up to most of the ladies.

Interesting? Zvonareva, Wozniacki, Clijsters, Dementieva...etc. all seem to hug and even kiss on the cheek after a match. Very likeable bunch.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
How many of these players even practice with each other? The men actually need each other to train. Or at least good juniors.
 
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