davey25
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It seems most people say Henin is the 2nd best player of this generation after Serena, in fact some have even gone far enough to say she is the best (LOL at those people but anyway). Venus at this moment should be considered the 2nd greatest player of this generation, not Henin.
They both have 7 slams. However Venus has 5 of her slams at the most important event in tennis- Wimbledon. That is even more than Serena. Henin has none.
Venus was denied many slams by Serena at her all time peak in 2002-2003. She would have an additional 3-5 slams otherwise. That is not even considering the potential slams she lost out to Serena in other years like the 08 U.S Open or 09 Wimbledon titles too.
Henin loses out on slams to a variety of players, and most of her slams come at the French Open vs less than stellar competion. Basically she capatilizes on a weak clay court era. The worst surface for both Serena and Venus. Always the worst surface for Davenport and Sharapova as well. Not the best surface for Clijsters who Henin owned mentally from 03-06 anyway. The other top clay courters being either inconsistent headcases or players simply not slam calibre like Kuznetsova, Ivanovic, Jankovic, Dementieva, Safina, Petrova, a past her prime Pierce. Contrast to Venus who has such tough competition on her favorite surfaces, never the relatively free ride Henin gets at the French. Venus also peaked from 1998-2003 when womens tennis was alot tougher than it has been during Henin's peak years.
I would say Venus overall on hard courts is better. Henin has been better on rebound ace with a better Australian Open record. However when both were at their peak in 2003 Venus easily beat Justine there. Venus has been better on the other hard courts. She has won Miami, the biggest medium paced hard court event, many times, while Justine has never won it. At the U.S Open both have won twice, but Venus's overall record is far better. She has lost to the eventual winner every year since 2005 now. Indoors maybe Justine gets a slight edge mostly by basis of playing more on it. She has won the WTA Championships twice and some more fall events as far as I know. Still overall I would give Veus the nod here.
Lastly there is the head to head. 7-2 Venus. Even 1-1 on clay believe it or not.
So Venus at this point should clearly be regarded as the 2nd greatest player of this generation. I do expect Henin will end up with more slams than Venus by the way, perhaps multiple more. She is a couple years younger, it will be easier for her to win the French then it will be for Venus to win Wimbledon from now on, and even at hard court slams Henin seems probably more likely to win at this point than is Venus, certainly in Australia alot more likely. However Henin would need to be over Venus by 2-3 slams and win a Wimbledon before I would even consider putting her over Venus.
They both have 7 slams. However Venus has 5 of her slams at the most important event in tennis- Wimbledon. That is even more than Serena. Henin has none.
Venus was denied many slams by Serena at her all time peak in 2002-2003. She would have an additional 3-5 slams otherwise. That is not even considering the potential slams she lost out to Serena in other years like the 08 U.S Open or 09 Wimbledon titles too.
Henin loses out on slams to a variety of players, and most of her slams come at the French Open vs less than stellar competion. Basically she capatilizes on a weak clay court era. The worst surface for both Serena and Venus. Always the worst surface for Davenport and Sharapova as well. Not the best surface for Clijsters who Henin owned mentally from 03-06 anyway. The other top clay courters being either inconsistent headcases or players simply not slam calibre like Kuznetsova, Ivanovic, Jankovic, Dementieva, Safina, Petrova, a past her prime Pierce. Contrast to Venus who has such tough competition on her favorite surfaces, never the relatively free ride Henin gets at the French. Venus also peaked from 1998-2003 when womens tennis was alot tougher than it has been during Henin's peak years.
I would say Venus overall on hard courts is better. Henin has been better on rebound ace with a better Australian Open record. However when both were at their peak in 2003 Venus easily beat Justine there. Venus has been better on the other hard courts. She has won Miami, the biggest medium paced hard court event, many times, while Justine has never won it. At the U.S Open both have won twice, but Venus's overall record is far better. She has lost to the eventual winner every year since 2005 now. Indoors maybe Justine gets a slight edge mostly by basis of playing more on it. She has won the WTA Championships twice and some more fall events as far as I know. Still overall I would give Veus the nod here.
Lastly there is the head to head. 7-2 Venus. Even 1-1 on clay believe it or not.
So Venus at this point should clearly be regarded as the 2nd greatest player of this generation. I do expect Henin will end up with more slams than Venus by the way, perhaps multiple more. She is a couple years younger, it will be easier for her to win the French then it will be for Venus to win Wimbledon from now on, and even at hard court slams Henin seems probably more likely to win at this point than is Venus, certainly in Australia alot more likely. However Henin would need to be over Venus by 2-3 slams and win a Wimbledon before I would even consider putting her over Venus.