The Courts in Paris
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mandy01
G.O.A.T.
LOL Gorecki.Priceless stuff today :lol:
Seriously though-I'm sorry but I'm going to need more evidence than that of one footage to conclude that FO(or Lenglen,let's say) is overall playing much faster ,like a hard court etc.
The squeaking wasn't even clear on TV.
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Deleted member 21996
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you are denying the truth here... please dont tell me the crowds are not boing with extreme swift...
and not to mention that these croissants would be gliding down the throats of players like nalbandian (who is a bad matchup for federer) only to make him a step slower...
them frogs got lucky and nalbo withdrawn, so there is no proof for this last part...
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't hear anything unusual. But the courts do look fast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYPZjLp5sE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYPZjLp5sE&feature=related
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TennisandMusic
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Only on a forum will facts and evidence be mocked, and puerile derision celebrated.
Oh wait, real life is like that too.
Oh wait, real life is like that too.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
You are yet to give me a satisfactory response.
I already conceded that Lenglen was faster today and even admitted that it was a little squeaky.Now it's your turn to show us the evidence that the overall change is that way and that this is a deliberate/premeditated change.
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TennisandMusic
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I never said the overall change was that way. I said Chatrier looked pretty normal from what I saw. The problem is I spelled things out quite clearly, and it looks like most people readily understood, but you came back with questions whose answers are self evident if you know the basics about tennis. Like, why would less clay mean the court is faster. I mean, seriously? It's not even worth talking about at this point. We should just let it go.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
REALLY?This is what I came up with?
PLEASE show me the post.
Atleast be honest here.
To the part in Red-Why was it even necessary then to point out to that one match ?
And of course we should let it go seeing that someone is having to come up with the BS like that posted in the bolded part to hang on to the argument.
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Halba
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The conditions are pretty warm and dry meaning the court is playing quite fast, the weather is set to change though and so will the courts.
We have fast and slow hard courts, so I don't see why we can't have some variety in clay. It would be boring if we had 2-3 months of Monte-Carlo. And judging by the semifinalists of Madrid (Nadal, Federer, Ferrer, and Almagro - all top-notch clay-courters), I can hardly see how it's an "aberration." Seems pretty consistent with the rest of the clay season.
Yes, I'm sure the French Open organizers were sitting on the edge of their seats watching the Madrid final this year to decide how fast to make the courts. Come on, they can't just change the speed of the courts at the snap of their fingers.
I don't know why it seems so many Nadal fans have this persecution complex. The whole world is against them, it seems. I guess it makes sense that they would be attracted to the perennial underdog Nadal (until he finally overtook Federer in 08, that is), but still. I can understand why some feel such hostility coming from the rest of the board because there are so many more Federer fans than Nadal fans, but thinking the ITF or ATP or whoever is actually rigging things against Nadal? Why? What purpose would it serve? Does he bring in that many more fans or that much more money? Why not expand the grass court season, in that case, as that's probably Federer's best surface? It's just silly.
Puredrivetennis
Rookie
high five.
You're saying Nadal was the favorite for every tournament he entered?
namelessone
Legend
It is a weird surface and notice how I am saying this even though Rafa won. When balls are jumping head high after they hit the service line one has to wonder how they took care of this surface. Do they even know how to maintain a proper claycourt in the mobster's tourney? To be fair,this year it was better,just look at last year madrid semi,Nadal and Djokovic were routinely hitting from shoulder high even short balls. The surface was way way way too bouncy for my liking. Sure,balls should bounce higher off clay but not this much. It gets in the way of good,quality CC tennis.
namelessone
Legend
I don't think they are rigging things to push Nadal out but when Nadal is put on Lenglen for the second year round even though he is the king of clay and there is nothing big going on in chatrier the same day one one has to wonder. And as TennisandMusic has pointed out,what kind of clay are they using in lenglen when you can hear players shoes squeaking on clay? Me thinks that they should add more top layer and water the courts a bit more. This is CLAYCOURT tennis after all.
So no conspiracy theories from me but I do think the organizers don't respect the king of clay. Rafa was put on lenglen when he was nr.1 in the world last year and now,when he comes off 3 masters titles on clay,they put him on lenglen again. Guys like Fed and Rafa should only play on centre courts IMO.
He'll play his first match on Suzanne Lenglen. That's ridiculous. Roddick will play on Philippe Chatrier.
That is really pathetic. Nadal, world number 2, four time champ, not on centre court? And in place is Roddick, some guy who's done basically zilch on clay?
I agree with you. It's completely ridiculous.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
And why is that?
Personally I don't care what court Roger plays on as long as he wins :lol
and he prefers Lenglen to Chatrier).
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Deleted member 21996
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extremely fast. like frozen mollasses.
darn frogs, doing all it takes to stop poor rafito... haters.... or in french... hrateurrss
ps. this post is puerile derision... not real life. in real life, puerility is much faster and squeaks like in you tube videos
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Halba
Hall of Fame
joke. they have totally changed the courts and there should be an investigation. the courts were changed for 2009, after they got sick of rafa(a spaniard who likes slow to medium clay courts) winning the french. they are more pro federer who is french speaking. i watched both lenglen and chatrier and i'm convinced its super fast tennis now. you can't even tell its a claycourt. only thing is the colour of the court, and slight bounce variation.
clay my foot!
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Deleted member 21996
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like i said. they picked the super fast taraflex from the old carpet masters paris and painted it red... just to hate more and more... luckily, nalbandian is injured or he would serve some bakery to poor rafito, who should only play on clay.
ze atp banditss? ze swiss mafia? le camorrah?ze crroissant? oh la la
posted from my hating fast htc diamond
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
HAHAHA Gorecki you're too good :lol:
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Deleted member 21996
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super fast win.
now, read what we talked two days ago, and read this whole thread, and tell me who is the most paranoid bunch...
namelessone
Legend
Like I said no conspiracy theories for me. They could have put Rafa on carpet again Mina and he still would have won. It's the context that is bothersome to me and I have already stated why.
But I do find it funny how almost everyone ignored TennisandMusic's squeaky shoes argument. Everyone just made fun of him or diverted the discussion to something else(like making fun of some conspiracy theory nadal fans).Shoes shouldn't squeak on a clay,there isn't enough grip unless you are playing on a hard surface or something. I played most of my life on clay(and not particularly good claycourts at that) which did not have much maintenance done to them,with different types of shoes and I NEVER heard squeaking,not from me or from my opponent. However,that was most certainly the case indoors on HC in winter time.
People will do anything to ignore arguments that go against their point.
But I do find it funny how almost everyone ignored TennisandMusic's squeaky shoes argument. Everyone just made fun of him or diverted the discussion to something else(like making fun of some conspiracy theory nadal fans).Shoes shouldn't squeak on a clay,there isn't enough grip unless you are playing on a hard surface or something. I played most of my life on clay(and not particularly good claycourts at that
) which did not have much maintenance done to them,with different types of shoes and I NEVER heard squeaking,not from me or from my opponent. However,that was most certainly the case indoors on HC in winter time.People will do anything to ignore arguments that go against their point.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Well first of all it was T&M who came up with the conspiracy theory which started the argument.The whole argument was initially based on the overall change in clay- speed and whether or not the change was deliberate for which T&M got no evidence and instead put up one video that was hardly enough to support the orginal purpose of the argument.Like I said no conspiracy theories for me. They could have put Rafa on carpet again Mina and he still would have won. It's the context that is bothersome to me and I have already stated why.
But I do find it funny how almost everyone ignored TennisandMusic's squeaky shoes argument. Everyone just made fun of him or diverted the discussion to something else(like making fun of some conspiracy theory nadal fans).Shoes shouldn't squeak on a clay,there isn't enough grip unless you are playing on a hard surface or something. I played most of my life on clay(and not particularly good claycourts at that
People will do anything to ignore arguments that go against their point.
Of course as it turns out T&M was basically trolling when he came up with the conspiracy theory and of course it was HE who changed the course of discussion
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sdont
Legend
this is the world: praising stupid coments and ignoring smart reasoning. keep it up
Myself im gonna find some smart fans who can discuss about facts somewhere else. This forum is 99% clowns.
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Lifted
Semi-Pro
Woe is me. The lamentations of a man alone in his fight to bring a type of honest justice to the world of Talk Tennis. Armed with a video, this man seeks to educate his fellow posters, to plant the ever growing seed of truth in their brains...nay, in their hearts; for in the fertile soil of one's heart truth can take root more deeply than in the capricious mind and, dare I say, instill in a human being the burning desire to do right...to do right when one sees the maliciousness of untruth rear its ugly head. Can our hero steel himself? Can he beat back the hydra-headed phantom of untruth with the knowledge of what is right? Can one man, one daring man with the ever-present danger of tainting his own, purest of souls with the intellectual dishonesty of his fellow forum-goers, turn away from his fears and fight the good fight for the good of mankind?
Yes. The answer is yes. Unequivocally...undoubtedly...yes. With one video of one match, he has proven that there exists a malicious intent in the hearts of the French: the intent to handicap the King of Clay, the Toro de Toros, Rafael Nadal. What loathsome, dishonest tripe is this? Whence came this treachery? Whence came this skulduggery? Do not tell our hero it emanates from the Earth. Do not tell our hero it changes with the so-called temperature or conditions. Fool. You fool. He knows this is a malicious plot on the part of Untruth, that rabid denier of honesty and virtue. Our hero begs you to look deeply into his own eyes, to avert yours from the crusted, red-eyed stare of Untruth, and to take from him what he took from El Gran Matador: a sense of calmness and truth, which ultimately emanates from the very fabric of his own pure heart, where truth, the kind from which radiates an honest, pure light, took root originally, and find its home indefinitely.
Look to our hero, but do not tell him the squeaks are not indicators of dishonesty, for he will smash your deceit-bearing face with his intellectual hammer, which was forged long ago with tempered Truth and fired Knowledge. He has worked with PhDs blast you! Heed his words. Why can you people not see what lies before you in plain sight? The squeaks are all that he needs to prove his point, nothing more, nothing less.
sdont
Legend
Lol. Good one, and well written!
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ksbh
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Lifted ... Brilliant! That post would have made William Wordsworth proud!
Anyways, I watched a few points from the Roddick-Nieminen match. While the court does look marginally faster, it's nothing like a hard court. It does not even look like a fast clay court! Some folks are going way overboard.
In any case, I did notice that the balls are jumping up high ... if Nadal meets Federer in the final, the Spaniard's going to have a field day!
Anyways, I watched a few points from the Roddick-Nieminen match. While the court does look marginally faster, it's nothing like a hard court. It does not even look like a fast clay court! Some folks are going way overboard.
In any case, I did notice that the balls are jumping up high ... if Nadal meets Federer in the final, the Spaniard's going to have a field day!
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Hahahahamuahahahahalolololoomauahahahahaha.
To "your liking",,,,,,,,,"balls should bounce higher on clay, but not this much"?????
LMAO. Do you even play tennis?? Sersiously???
Let me explain something to you, on clay, the balls bounces higher than on hard or grass. Add to that the amount of spin these guys hit with, and you have even higher bounces.
namelessone
Legend
This year's court was better but not by much. Nadal and Djoker are both tall guys and they were hitting from shoulder level many times balls that came from around the service line. And mind you they were camping out at the baseline. Watch the highlights again. Many of their shots look restrained,cramped even because of this way too bouncy court. This did not happen to them in Rome or in MC,not even RG. Of course a clay court is supposed to bounce the ball higher then grass or HC but in Madrid it was too much IMO,it got in the way of quality play,especially in 09'. At one point Rafa and Nole looked like they were trying to moonball one another
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
It's called topspin.
10ACE
Professional
This year's court was better but not by much. Nadal and Djoker are both tall guys and they were hitting from shoulder level many times balls that came from around the service line. And mind you they were camping out at the baseline. Watch the highlights again. Many of their shots look restrained,cramped even because of this way too bouncy court. This did not happen to them in Rome or in MC,not even RG. Of course a clay court is supposed to bounce the ball higher then grass or HC but in Madrid it was too much IMO,it got in the way of quality play,especially in 09'. At one point Rafa and Nole looked like they were trying to moonball one another
The bounce this year is fantastic- I think it has to do with the higher temps- more dry there too this year humidity wise. \
Side note Nadal Tall- I do believe he is 5'10'' more then his listed height of 6'1''- seeing him he's not that tall-
ChanceEncounter
Professional
Yes, because your opinion is the be all for this discussion. For the quotes that this year's FO plays fast, I can find a similar number of quotes that the grass of Wimbledon has slowed down. Of course, you don't care about that because slower conditions at AO and Wimbledon helps out Nadal.
You do realize that the courts are kicking up more than ever, which benefit Nadal and his topspin, right? Oh noes, it's a huge conspiracy to make sure that Nadal wins the French!!!111
Selective arguments are bad.
shanked_it
Rookie
Don't you guys just hate it when your playing at Roland Garros, and then the ball just bounces high like a *********** ?
Thomas Crown
New User
shhhhhhhhhhh don't say that here! don't you know that posters on this board adjust their string tension by the half pound depending on the humidex?
verdasco on lenglen:
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/interviews/2010-05-25/201005251274792038603.html
"fast", "not too much clay", just like tennismusic observed.
But it looked like they put some clay on it for the nadal match maybe, didn't look as thin as in the highlights.
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/interviews/2010-05-25/201005251274792038603.html
"fast", "not too much clay", just like tennismusic observed.
But it looked like they put some clay on it for the nadal match maybe, didn't look as thin as in the highlights.
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