Cindysphinx
G.O.A.T.
Well, he sounds like a Bad Pro. The issue is not level. He just doesn't know how to play doubles, if what you say is accurate.
Well, he sounds like a Bad Pro. The issue is not level. He just doesn't know how to play doubles, if what you say is accurate.
A ball was in the middle, and when I took the shot on my FH because I was closest to the ball (and passed both net players down the middle) the coach stopped play and said it should be a BH shot. I politely asked him if he could explain why, and his explanation was that a 3.5 isn't going to be able to pass anyone at the net, and so their shot will be volleyed and pass them on their BH side. He said 3.5s aren't good enough to hit the FH and then defend their BH. He said he wanted his 3.5 team to play the BH on balls in the middle, and said "person closest hits the ball" or any other approach should be reserved for 4.5+ levels.
On practice Saturday, the same coach corrected the team captain for making microadjustment steps before he hit his shot, saying that he should take large steps to the ball then set up and stay still. To my eye, the team captain was demonstrating excellent footwork, and was hitting consistent shots when doing it his way. So judge for yourself whether this coach is onto something or not.
It's just been a confusing thread, that's all. First post talked about how OP is much stronger than teammates and OP resists pro's suggestion to come to net more. Some people reply that OP should consider doing things differently.
Then thread morphs into discussion about how the teaching pro is a moron. Well, OK. That makes more sense (although the advice to come to net is definitely not wrong).
It is frustrating, however, to have a teaching pro telling you stuff that is wrong. Not only do you wind up losing, your teammates absorb the bad advice and then tell you that you are doing it wrong.
I watched the Ladies Doubles final yesterday. I didn't see anyone rushing the net regardless of what shot was hit.
It's bad advice.
(BTW, I just now "got" your .sig. That's extremely funny.)
No, it's not bad advice.
Should you come to net "regardless of what shot was hit?" Well, the first question you have to answer is "Hit by whom?"
If you decide to S&V, you come in based on the quality of your own shot (presumably your awesome first serve). You don't wait to see what the opponent will do with your serve. If you do, you will never S&V.
The same thing holds with shots other than serves. What you do depends on what you did. So if I hit a great shot, I don't wait to see what shot the opponent hits -- I come in (or back up) based on what shot my partner and I hit.
Once you get that principle down, a lot of doubles strategy becomes clear. You decide whether you are on offense or defense based on what you just did. So in your clinic, it is possible that your ignorant teaching pro thought you were missing opporunities to come in because you were deciding whether to come in solely based on your opponent's ball (say, a short ball) rather than what you did (you or your partner hit a great lob and should follow it in).
Anyway, it's an interesting subject.
i love players who think coming to the net is not necessary to win, the average rec player will loose not coming to the net..remember you only need to win 51% of the shots to actually win the match, so you miss some at the net, odds are baseliners cannot beat a good net player. AND watching pro tennis , yes helps the overall persepeetive of the game, BUT you are a rec player and you need to get to the net, all costs in my book,,im a 3.5 net player with a 22 and 2 record. dont forget also one up and one back is the absolute worst position for dubs formation, you have to get out of it as soon as possible..id rather have 2 back..also my favorite partnter is one who thinks like me, get to the net! not a baseliner..too much open court for the opponents! ...sorry rh310 if you were offended by my opinions so your response needed to be deleted, I thought tennis players were of the same thinking,,guess not..
Several years ago I was playing a boatload of tennis: 4.5 USTA league, and in club-arranged tennis parties that had several former college players who were active and winning in the NYC 5.0 - 5.5 USTA leagues.
I was fortunate to be taken a little under the wing by a few of these guys in particular, who taught me how to really play doubles. It was an incredibly exciting and fun game the way they played it.
Life and a couple of injuries got in the way, and after a long break I've just starting playing again in a 3.5 USTA league, 1st singles / 2nd doubles. Lost my first match, won the rest, and as I'd hoped I'm starting to feel the confidence coming back.
I'm having trouble with adapting to what I'm being told is doubles at the 3.5 level, though. Instead of "steady player in deuce court / aggressive player in ad court" it's "better BH takes ad court", and instead of the receiver working his way to net if / as possible it's charge the net at all costs. I've politely resisted my teammate's and team coach's suggestions that I change the way I play (basically, as receiver I wait until I there's an approach opportunity before taking a net position, and I keep my feet moving and adjust constantly to where the ball and the three other players are), but it's really starting to get contentious during practice. I've been paired with a 3.0 who is playing up, who in the last practice started screaming at me that I wasn't playing right blah blah blah even though I completely carried his ass in our recent doubles match win in the 3.5 league.
I worry that if I keep resisting I'm going to get an rep as an "attitude" player, but the club doesn't have a 4.0 or higher team so I guess I'm pretty much stuck where I am until I win my way out and get moved to 4.0.
The coach has acknowledged that my grasp of doubles is how 5.0+ players play, but has insisted that what he's teaching is appropriate for 3.0 - 3.5 players and, basically, I should shut up and go along with it.
I too am a bit mistified at just what you need to approach the net. Playing against people of my own ability I've seen very few shots that I couldn't and didn't come in on but I'll admit I'm aggressive and if they pass me they pass me but I bet they can't do it 4 times a game. Now if you are truly a level or so above the opposition you should be able to stand pretty close to the service line and saunter into the net following your powerful return.
As for who takes what I'm of the opinion that better player trumps weaker player and when things are equal forehand trumps backhand. But then I still like to play one up one back and take em all.
In my opinion, it varies based on . . . . everything.
The only way to find out for sure is to try.
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Yeah, they are awesome. I'm glad you're getting some relief.
in my 3.5 leagues i've won matches not coming to net at all or just a few times. i've also seen teams where both guys are constantly up at net together. sometimes they are good volleyers and have good overheads so this strategy works for them. othertimes one or both of em are terrible at net or can't cover lobs so this strategy doesn't work and i just pound groundies at the weak volleyer or lob them.
lotsa different ways to skin a cat.
This.
Rushing the net regardless of your skill, team dynamics and the current situation is not an appropriate strategy at any level of the game.
I rarely make it up to net. Yet I somehow squeeze out wins against players at or above my level, and can win with a lower level players (that complement my game) against teams that should beat us on paper.
Something isn't right.
OP says he was playing at a 5.0 level but now has to play 3.5(!) because he is rusty.
Yet...in another post in this thread he says he has been hitting in a private session with a teaching pro "at least" once a week plus additional drill clinics for the last 2 years?!?! Just when is that rust supposed to come off????
I don't think you were ever even close to a 4.5 level.
Oh, I have a premonition this is going to get good real fast, is there a smiley for popcorn? Maybe we can get this to 10+ pages.
The OP did mention injuries, so we don't know if they are still a factor. I usually find it takes me two weeks of steady playing to get the rust off. It's mainly the vision that is the key, the eyes have muscles too.
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Again, what??? You mean to tell us that your strokes are at a 4.5 level but in a match you choke your way down from a 4.5 to a 3.5 level???
Come on. Nobody is buying that.
Really, if a 3.5 team had a true sandbagging 4.5 or even 4.0 playing on a 3.5 team they would be loving it, NOT fighting him or "teaching" him.
Methinks you are not accurately perceiving reality.
I believe the OP mentioned "ring rust" not stroke rust. As in, playing matches for the first time in many years, and having problems with nerves and choking.
Try a couple of shots of Jack Daniels before your matches for your nerves.
And for your "ring rust" or rust rings, try this:
http://doitbest.com/Metal+cleaners+a...sku-613444.dib