Rivalries at all 4 Slams

BTURNER

Legend
Here's the Chris - Martina breakdown. They met 22 times in a major. 14 times in the final and all the rest in the semis. 5 times at RG, 4 times at the open, 4 times in Australia and 9 times at Wimbledon. You will all sleep better knowing rather than wondering. Which rivals are going to consider their four major meetings at a single slam the low mark!
 
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Joe Pike

Banned
How many rivalries cover all the bases, with meetings at all four Slams?

Sampras and Agassi met at all four. So did Lendl and McEnroe.

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Graf-Seles (including all 4 finals)
Graf-Sabatini
Graf-Sanchez (including all 4 finals)
Graf-Novotna
Graf-Coetzer
 
for the men:

nadal hasn't played djokovic at the australian open
federer hasn't played djokovic at roland garros

Vamos Rafa!
C'mon Rog!

Nice thread.
Interesting to see how players collide thanks to their draws and their success at the big four.
Some memorable Davis Cup clashes, too, among the aforementioned (Wilander, Mac, Agassi, Becker, et al.)

I'd love to see Djokovic, Raf or Rog battle eachother for a Cup final.
 
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gpt

Professional
Good thread.
Borg and Tanner met at the Masters and all the majors, except for the AO
 

krosero

Legend
Good thread.
Borg and Tanner met at the Masters and all the majors, except for the AO
We hadn't even mentioned Tanner's rivalries.

Tanner never met Connors or Gerulaitis at AO or FO. He never met McEnroe at a Slam, though he did meet Vilas everywhere except the French.
 

krosero

Legend
Good thread.
Borg and Tanner met at the Masters and all the majors, except for the AO
An AO meeting would have been very interesting. The way Tanner played in the '77 final (the one that he won) he could have beaten Connors or Borg, no question. He thoroughly overpowered Vilas, had a run of 19 straight points won on serve.
 

newmark401

Professional
Jack Crawford (AUS) and Fred Perry (GBR)

1932 Wimbledon

Quarter-final: Jack Crawford d. Fred Perry 7-5, 8-6, 2-6, 8-6
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1933 United States Championships

Final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 11-13, 4-6, 6-0, 6-1
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1934 Australian Championships

Final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 7-5, 6-1
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1934 Wimbledon

Final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 6-0, 7-5
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1935 Australian Championships

Final: Jack Crawford d. Fred Perry 2-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4
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1935 French Championships

Semi-final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 8-6, 6-3
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1935 Wimbledon

Semi-final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-4
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newmark401

Professional
Kim Clijsters and Justine Henin played each other at all four majors twice, except at the US Open, where they met only once. They played each other in the final of the Australian, French and US Opens, but not in a Wimbledon final.
 

krosero

Legend
Jack Crawford (AUS) and Fred Perry (GBR)

1932 Wimbledon

Quarter-final: Jack Crawford d. Fred Perry 7-5, 8-6, 2-6, 8-6
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1933 United States Championships

Final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 11-13, 4-6, 6-0, 6-1
--

1934 Australian Championships

Final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 7-5, 6-1
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1934 Wimbledon

Final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 6-0, 7-5
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1935 Australian Championships

Final: Jack Crawford d. Fred Perry 2-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4
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1935 French Championships

Semi-final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 8-6, 6-3
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1935 Wimbledon

Semi-final: Fred Perry d. Jack Crawford 6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-4
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Very cool, you had to know that Crawford would be involved in something like this.

So was that their full record in the Slams, 5-2 in Perry's favor?
 

newmark401

Professional
Very cool, you had to know that Crawford would be involved in something like this.

So was that their full record in the Slams, 5-2 in Perry's favor?

I think so, yes. I couldn't find any other meeting between them in the majors. This is probably the first incidence of two players meeting in the singles event at all four of the majors.

In the 1920's, Bill Tilden and René Lacoste played each other at the French Championships, Wimbledon and the US Championships; so did Lacoste and Henri Cochet. But, of course, none of them went near Australia in those days, although Jean Borotra won the singles (and doubles and mixed) titles at the 1928 Australian Championships.
 

pc1

G.O.A.T.
Court and Goolagong

COURT, Margaret (AUS)

Versus Evonne GOOLAGONG (AUS)
Year Tournament Round Surface Winner Score
1968 Australian Championships 16 Grass (O) M.COURT 6-3 6-1
1970 Australian Open QF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-3 6-1
1971 Australian Open FR Grass (O) M.COURT 2-6 7-6 7-5
1971 Wimbledon FR Grass (O) E.GOOLAGONG 4-6 1-6
1973 Australian Open FR Grass (O) M.COURT 6-4 7-5
1973 French Open SF Clay (O) M.COURT 6-3 7-6
1973 US Open FR Grass (O) M.COURT 7-6 5-7 6-2
1975 Wimbledon SF Grass (O) E.CAWLEY 4-6 4-6

Also Court and Rosie Casals.
 
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pc1

G.O.A.T.
McEnroe and Wilander

WILANDER, Mats (SWE)

Versus John MCENROE (USA)
Year Tournament Round Surface Winner Score
1982 Davis Cup 1982 Carpet (I) J.MCENROE 7-9 2-6 17-15 6-3 6-8
1983 French Open QF Clay (O) M.WILANDER 1-6 6-2 6-4 6-0
1983 Cincinnati FR Hard (O) M.WILANDER 6-4 6-4
1983 Australian Open SF Grass (O) M.WILANDER 4-6 6-3 6-4 6-3
1984 Masters SF Carpet (I) J.MCENROE 2-6 4-6
1984 Stockholm FR Hard (I) J.MCENROE 2-6 6-3 2-6
1984 Davis Cup 1984 Clay (I) J.MCENROE 3-6 7-5 3-6
1985 Masters SF Carpet (I) J.MCENROE 1-6 1-6
1985 French Open SF Clay (O) M.WILANDER 6-1 7-5 7-5
1985 U.S. Open SF Hard (O) J.MCENROE 6-3 4-6 6-4 3-6 3-6
1987 Brussels Indoor FR Carpet (I) M.WILANDER 6-3 6-4
1987 Rome SF Clay (O) M.WILANDER 6-1 6-3
1989 Wimbledon QF Grass (O) J.MCENROE 6-7 6-3 3-6 4-6
John MCENROE (USA) Leads Mats WILANDER (SWE) : 7 to 6 *

They played a lot of crucial matches against each other. Not only did they play in all four majors but at the Masters, Rome and the Davis Cup.
 

krosero

Legend
Court and Goolagong

COURT, Margaret (AUS)

Versus Evonne GOOLAGONG (AUS)
Year Tournament Round Surface Winner Score
1968 Australian Championships 16 Grass (O) M.COURT 6-3 6-1
1970 Australian Open QF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-3 6-1
1971 Australian Open FR Grass (O) M.COURT 2-6 7-6 7-5
1971 Wimbledon FR Grass (O) E.GOOLAGONG 4-6 1-6
1973 Australian Open FR Grass (O) M.COURT 6-4 7-5
1973 French Open SF Clay (O) M.COURT 6-3 7-6
1973 US Open FR Grass (O) M.COURT 7-6 5-7 6-2
1975 Wimbledon SF Grass (O) E.CAWLEY 4-6 4-6
Good call. I wrote above that they had never met at RG, but I was going by their WTA page which is missing three of the meetings that you've listed: http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/margaret-court_2255881_1285/0,,12781~1285~2794,00.html

Also Court and Rosie Casals.
WTA page for Court and Casals only has Wimbledon and USO meetings: http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/margaret-court_2255881_1285/0,,12781~1285~1195,00.html

I guess you're pulling up these H2H's from the ITF site? Here's the ITF page for Court/Casals:

http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20003453&opponent=20002089


Versus Rosie CASALS (USA)
Year Tournament Round Surface Winner Score
1968 Australian Championships QF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-0 6-2
1969 Australian Open QF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-4 6-1
1970 French Open QF Clay (O) M.COURT 7-5 6-2
1970 Wimbledon SF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-4 6-1
1970 US Open FR Grass (O) M.COURT 6-2 2-6 6-1
1972 US Open QF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-4 4-6 6-4
1977 Minneapolis QF Carpet (I) R.CASALS 4-6 5-7
1977 Chicago QF Carpet (I) M.COURT 5-7 6-3 7-6

I was using the WTA site for a lot of these rivalries, unfortunately.
 

pc1

G.O.A.T.
Also a mistake. Per the ITF they met in R16 at '69 AO.

It really wasn't a bad mistake. I do that a lot. Sometimes it's tough to rely on some of the websites because of the poor record-keeping in tennis. It drives me crazy when the scores the ATP site and the ITF site conflict. I have to do more research to find what is the correct match score.

Yes I pulled it from the ITF site.

Thing is that in rivalries like Rosewall and Laver which is before Open tennis you have to rely on other sources. Even in Open Tennis so much is missed. I think Urban mentioned the old Aetna World Cup matches between Australian and the United States are not mentioned in head to head match ups.
 
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BTURNER

Legend
Good call. I wrote above that they had never met at RG, but I was going by their WTA page which is missing three of the meetings that you've listed: http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/margaret-court_2255881_1285/0,,12781~1285~2794,00.html

WTA page for Court and Casals only has Wimbledon and USO meetings: http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/margaret-court_2255881_1285/0,,12781~1285~1195,00.html

I guess you're pulling up these H2H's from the ITF site? Here's the ITF page for Court/Casals:

http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/headtohead.asp?player=20003453&opponent=20002089


Versus Rosie CASALS (USA)
Year Tournament Round Surface Winner Score
1968 Australian Championships QF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-0 6-2
1969 Australian Open QF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-4 6-1
1970 French Open QF Clay (O) M.COURT 7-5 6-2
1970 Wimbledon SF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-4 6-1
1970 US Open FR Grass (O) M.COURT 6-2 2-6 6-1
1972 US Open QF Grass (O) M.COURT 6-4 4-6 6-4
1977 Minneapolis QF Carpet (I) R.CASALS 4-6 5-7
1977 Chicago QF Carpet (I) M.COURT 5-7 6-3 7-6

I was using the WTA site for a lot of these rivalries, unfortunately.

I had no idea Court played that long. How old would she have been?
 

BTURNER

Legend
She's born in 1942 so she would have been 35 in 1977. Super player and very underrated and often not talked about.

I guess from reading Martina, that infamous serve was the last thing to dessert Margaret! Martina said it came down from the tree tops! Not an easy task to return.
 

kiki

Banned
Very cool, you had to know that Crawford would be involved in something like this.

So was that their full record in the Slams, 5-2 in Perry's favor?

Good Post.crawford seems to me one of the most underrated great champions ever.
 

Jack Romeo

Professional
and there's a great chance that they'll meet in a fourth consecutive grand slam final in paris in june. that's never happened for the men, hasn't it?
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
and there's a great chance that they'll meet in a fourth consecutive grand slam final in paris in june. that's never happened for the men, hasn't it?

If I'm correct, this is the first time that 3 consecutive has ever happened.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Nadal vs. Djokovic at the majors:

2006 French Open QF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-4 ret.)
2007 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (7-5, 6-4, 6-2)
2007 Wimbledon SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (3-6, 6-1, 4-1 ret.)
2008 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 6-2, 7-6)
2010 US Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Novak Djokovic (6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-2)
2011 Wimbledon F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-1, 1-6, 6-3)
2011 US Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 6-4, 6-7, 6-1)
2012 Australian Open F: Novak Djokovic def. Rafael Nadal (5-7, 6-4, 6-2, 6-7, 7-5)
 

krosero

Legend
and there's a great chance that they'll meet in a fourth consecutive grand slam final in paris in june. that's never happened for the men, hasn't it?
In the Open Era even 3 in a row is a record.

Also 3 in a row:
Laver and Emerson: 1961 US, 1962 Aus., RG
Stolle and Emerson: 1964 W, US, 1965 Aus. (Emmo won all 3)

Don't know of any others.
 

krosero

Legend
and there's a great chance that they'll meet in a fourth consecutive grand slam final in paris in june. that's never happened for the men, hasn't it?
Now they've made it; Sunday will be Nadal and Djokovic again in a Slam final, for the 4th straight time. That's an alltime record if I'm not mistaken.
 

Xavier G

Hall of Fame
I like the Mac-Wilander rivalry. Mats was really a great player for most of the 80's and gave John a few surprising defeats in my eyes like the AO semi final in 83 for instance. That was a good chance for Mac to win the Australian Open. The USO semi of 1985 was another classic which McEnroe just closed out, but it took a lot of him for the final.
I think Mac and Lendl met in every Major too. Didn't Lendl beat McEnroe in the AO 89? If so, they had meetings in all the Slam events, plus, of course, their clashes at the Masters and WCT Dallas.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Didn't Lendl beat McEnroe in the AO 89?.

Yes, in the quarter finals. Lendl won 7-6, 6-2, 7-6.

McEnroe's last win over Lendl was just after this, a 6-7, 7-6, 6-2, 7-5 victory in the semi finals of the 1989 WCT Dallas event.
 

Xavier G

Hall of Fame
Yes, in the quarter finals. Lendl won 7-6, 6-2, 7-6.

McEnroe's last win over Lendl was just after this, a 6-7, 7-6, 6-2, 7-5 victory in the semi finals of the 1989 WCT Dallas event.

Thanks. I was sure Lendl had beaten Mac in Australia that year.1989 was quite a good year for McEnroe with some better showings like making the Wimbledon semi's and winning the WCT Finals beating Lendl along the way. I think John finished that year at no.4.
 

krosero

Legend
I like the Mac-Wilander rivalry. Mats was really a great player for most of the 80's and gave John a few surprising defeats in my eyes like the AO semi final in 83 for instance. That was a good chance for Mac to win the Australian Open. The USO semi of 1985 was another classic which McEnroe just closed out, but it took a lot of him for the final.
McEnroe often seemed to have more trouble with Wilander than with Borg. Even in their first meeting, when Wilander was still only 18 and in some ways still a claycourter, McEnroe needed 6 hours to beat him in that Davis Cup match -- and that was on indoor carpet.

I think two things helped Wilander. He stood in closer to the baseline than Borg; and he showed McEnroe fewer second serves than Borg did. He could do that because he didn't do as much with the first serve, tending to spin it in; but that meant that McEnroe had fewer chances to attack a second ball and get into net.
 

kiki

Banned
Thanks. I was sure Lendl had beaten Mac in Australia that year.1989 was quite a good year for McEnroe with some better showings like making the Wimbledon semi's and winning the WCT Finals beating Lendl along the way. I think John finished that year at no.4.

He also reached the Masters semifinals, along Lendl, Becker and Edberg.One of the best all time draw at an indoor event.
 

kiki

Banned
McEnroe often seemed to have more trouble with Wilander than with Borg. Even in their first meeting, when Wilander was still only 18 and in some ways still a claycourter, McEnroe needed 6 hours to beat him in that Davis Cup match -- and that was on indoor carpet.

I think two things helped Wilander. He stood in closer to the baseline than Borg; and he showed McEnroe fewer second serves than Borg did. He could do that because he didn't do as much with the first serve, tending to spin it in; but that meant that McEnroe had fewer chances to attack a second ball and get into net.

Wilander was also steadier at the net than Borg, even if his serve was weaker.
 

Xavier G

Hall of Fame
McEnroe often seemed to have more trouble with Wilander than with Borg. Even in their first meeting, when Wilander was still only 18 and in some ways still a claycourter, McEnroe needed 6 hours to beat him in that Davis Cup match -- and that was on indoor carpet.

I think two things helped Wilander. He stood in closer to the baseline than Borg; and he showed McEnroe fewer second serves than Borg did. He could do that because he didn't do as much with the first serve, tending to spin it in; but that meant that McEnroe had fewer chances to attack a second ball and get into net.

Yes, it was clear Mats was going to be a player to be reckoned with after that Davis Cup encounter added to him winning the French at just 17.
Borg often stood way back against John and I think Mats will have had a good look at Mac's game.
 

krosero

Legend
Wilander was also steadier at the net than Borg, even if his serve was weaker.
Even in St. Louis in '82, Drysdale was saying that Wilander already was volleying better than Borg. It's funny how tennis writers and commentators said, year after year, right up to '88, that Wilander had recently decided to add a volley to his game. In '82 his volley already looked like it did in later years, at least technically.

Of course his net game did mature over the years, because it's one thing to know how to volley, another to come in consistently over the course of a match against someone like Lendl. That's what Mats got better at over the years. His net approaches, roughly speaking, were one reason he beat Lendl at the '83 AO; a key factor in his win over Lendl at RG in '85; and practically the entire cause of his victory over Lendl at Flushing in '88.

Borg never came in at RG the way Wilander did in that '85 final, and unfortunately he never did so at Flushing against Mac. On the other hand, Borg successfully SV'd, often on 2nd serve, at Wimbledon over a six-year period, something which Wilander never pulled off successfully despite attacking the net pretty well on Australian grass.

Borg often stood way back against John and I think Mats will have had a good look at Mac's game.
On this board when we got a look at Borg's win over Mac in the autumn of '82, at AKAI, we speculated that Borg may actually have observed Wilander's success against McEnroe and taken a page from it. Pure speculation but possible.

He also reached the Masters semifinals, along Lendl, Becker and Edberg.One of the best all time draw at an indoor event.
One point from that event: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXitxEkVz3Y
 

krosero

Legend
Nadal and Djokovic have now met in the finals of all four of the Grand Slam events, a first among the men.

Laver and Emerson met in the finals everywhere but Wimbledon
Laver and Fraser met in the finals everywhere but RG
Stolle and Emerson met in the finals everywhere but RG
Nadal and Federer have met in the finals everywhere but USO


The women who have met in all 4 finals:

Court and Bueno
Evert and Navratilova
Graf and Sanchez Vicario
Graf and Seles
Venus and Serena
 

ruerooo

Legend
Nadal and Federer have met in the finals everywhere but USO

I can't tell you how much it hurt my feelings when Roger didn't make that final.
I was mad at him till the WTF.

(And yes, I was sad every year before that when Roger made the final and Rafa didn't.)

I mean, I guess it's okay now that I could see a FEDAL semi here in the States but before that to see a FEDAL match I'd have to travel to Europe?
And they can't get it together to play in my hometown?

:evil:
 

BrooklynNY

Hall of Fame
Nadal and Djokovic have now met in the finals of all four of the Grand Slam events, a first among the men.

Laver and Emerson met in the finals everywhere but Wimbledon
Laver and Fraser met in the finals everywhere but RG
Stolle and Emerson met in the finals everywhere but RG
Nadal and Federer have met in the finals everywhere but USO
Not sure if it was mentioned but Sampras and Agassi have also met in the finals everywhere but Roland Garros as well, I think may have only played in the Qtrs or 4th round
 

1477aces

Hall of Fame
I have another. Hewitt vs. Roddick. Hewitt has won 3 of their 5 slam meetings.

2001 French Open R32: Lleyton Hewitt def. Andy Roddick (6-7, 6-4, 2-2 ret.)
2001 US Open QF: Lleyton Hewitt def. Andy Roddick (6-7, 6-3, 6-4, 3-6, 6-4)
2005 Australian Open SF: Lleyton Hewitt def. Andy Roddick (3-6, 7-6, 7-6, 6-1)
2006 US Open QF: Andy Roddick def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 7-5, 6-4)
2009 Wimbledon QF: Andy Roddick def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-7, 7-6, 4-6, 6-4)

Now 4 out of 6. AO2012
 

kiki

Banned
Even in St. Louis in '82, Drysdale was saying that Wilander already was volleying better than Borg. It's funny how tennis writers and commentators said, year after year, right up to '88, that Wilander had recently decided to add a volley to his game. In '82 his volley already looked like it did in later years, at least technically.

Of course his net game did mature over the years, because it's one thing to know how to volley, another to come in consistently over the course of a match against someone like Lendl. That's what Mats got better at over the years. His net approaches, roughly speaking, were one reason he beat Lendl at the '83 AO; a key factor in his win over Lendl at RG in '85; and practically the entire cause of his victory over Lendl at Flushing in '88.

Borg never came in at RG the way Wilander did in that '85 final, and unfortunately he never did so at Flushing against Mac. On the other hand, Borg successfully SV'd, often on 2nd serve, at Wimbledon over a six-year period, something which Wilander never pulled off successfully despite attacking the net pretty well on Australian grass.

On this board when we got a look at Borg's win over Mac in the autumn of '82, at AKAI, we speculated that Borg may actually have observed Wilander's success against McEnroe and taken a page from it. Pure speculation but possible.

One point from that event: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXitxEkVz3Y

I agree with Wilander developing a solid and accurate apprach game which enhanced his pretty good ( not great anyhow) volley.

One thing about Mats is that he never looked like doing a big effort, he was very fluent or, at least, he seems to me the most fluent top spin player that I can remember.I think it is due to his fantastic footwork, he was not ultrafast but had great anticipation and was very cool and calm.
 

kiki

Banned
Borg and Gerulatis met everywhere except at the AO ( which they seldom played, anyway).They played a Wimbledon semi and a Wimbledon 4 th round, a US Open semi, a Masters final, a WCT semifinal, a FO semifinal and a FO final...

Of course, Borg always won, although many of those were clsoe and competitive matches.

Connors and Mac met everywhere except...AO...
 
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